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I suppose you think Japan get out of the group then? It's quite a tight group and difficult to guess who goes through IMO.

It's difficult to predict, because I don't know much about the other teams. On paper, I think Japan probably is the second best team in the group. And while Colombia is better on paper, I don't think they're so much better that they can expect to win.

The key to beating Japan, is to not push your defensive line back too much, and win the midfield battle. If you can do both of these things, then you have a really good shot at winning. I think Yaya will be the key player for Ivory Coast in this game. The worst thing you can do is to allow Japan to dominate possession, while sitting back and waiting for the counter. This will only work if you have a world class attack, like Brazil and Uruguay, both of which have humiliated Japan fairly recently.

Greece will struggle, I think. If they park the bus like they normally do, then it's only a matter of time before Japan scores. I don't know much about Colombia's style, but they shouldn't get too cocky. If Japan can outplay Belgium, Netherlands and Italy, then they can outplay Colombia as well. Ivory Coast will lose if they don't just go for it. Push the team up and let Yaya do his thing.
 
It's difficult to predict, because I don't know much about the other teams. On paper, I think Japan probably is the second best team in the group. And while Colombia is better on paper, I don't think they're so much better that they can expect to win.

The key to beating Japan, is to not push your defensive line back too much, and win the midfield battle. If you can do both of these things, then you have a really good shot at winning. I think Yaya will be the key player for Ivory Coast in this game. The worst thing you can do is to allow Japan to dominate possession, while sitting back and waiting for the counter. This will only work if you have a world class attack, like Brazil and Uruguay, both of which have humiliated Japan fairly recently.

Greece will struggle, I think. If they park the bus like they normally do, then it's only a matter of time before Japan scores. I don't know much about Colombia's style, but they shouldn't get too cocky. If Japan can outplay Belgium, Netherlands and Italy, then they can outplay Colombia as well. Ivory Coast will lose if they don't just go for it. Push the team up and let Yaya do his thing.

Thanks man. I hope Japan get through for Kagawa's sake!
 
The key to beating Japan, is to not push your defensive line back too much, and win the midfield battle. If you can do both of these things, then you have a really good shot at winning. I think Yaya will be the key player for Ivory Coast in this game. The worst thing you can do is to allow Japan to dominate possession, while sitting back and waiting for the counter. This will only work if you have a world class attack, like Brazil and Uruguay, both of which have humiliated Japan fairly recently.

Agreed. From Japan's perspective, one, we must win the midfield or we'll we continually exposed to IC's attacks and there's no chance. And two, we also must succeed in creating shooting opportunities. If not sooner or later we'll suffer a counter. If it's 0-0 and I see a long pass to Gervhino with lots of open space, I might just close my eyes...

Yaya hasn't played in the recent test matches but I understand he played in training today, so Japan needs to be expecting Yaya.
 
Japan have a great chance in their group imo. It should be fun to watch them.
 
Kagawa plays well on the left for Japan. Besides, if they don't win the WC, Kagawa's position would be the last thing to blame.
Its all relative. Just because he plays a little better there than he does for United, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with playing him there.

Kagawa SS for Dortmund >>> Kagawa LM for Dortmund
Kagawa SS for United would be >>> Kagawa LM for United
Kagawa SS for Japan would be >>> Kagawa LM for Japan

Just because Kagawa LM Japan >>> Kagawa LM United doesn't change that.
 
Its all relative. Just because he plays a little better there than he does for United, doesn't mean there is nothing wrong with playing him there.

Kagawa SS for Dortmund >>> Kagawa LM for Dortmund
Kagawa SS for United would be >>> Kagawa LM for United
Kagawa SS for Japan would be >>> Kagawa LM for Japan

Just because Kagawa LM Japan >>> Kagawa LM United doesn't change that.

Playing Kagawa there means Honda will be moved out wide and you would then have the same problem. The team fits better with Kagawa on the left. There is no way around that until Minamino/Usami develop and allows Kagawa to go central. Like I said, Kagawa plays well for Japan on the left. The system Japan uses is more influential on Kagawa's play than the position.
 
Playing Kagawa there means Honda will be moved out wide and you would then have the same problem. The team fits better with Kagawa on the left. There is no way around that until Minamino/Usami develop and allows Kagawa to go central. Like I said, Kagawa plays well for Japan on the left. The system Japan uses is more influential on Kagawa's play than the position.
Honda does not need to play wide. He can be one of the 4 central players like Kagawa.
 
Honda does not need to play wide. He can be one of the 4 central players like Kagawa.

Japan play a 4-2-3-1. They use a striker almost every game. I can only remember 2 or 3 times in the past couple of years where they used Honda as a striker and it wasn't a success. There wasn't much difference in Kagawa's play either.

If Japan fail it will either be due to their cbs, failure of their striker to score a lot, or their midfield pair being on the losing end. It won't be because of Kagawa playing out on the left. Those weaknesses make this discussion over Kagawa's position seem pointless tbh.
 
Japan play a 4-2-3-1. They use a striker almost every game. I can only remember 2 or 3 times in the past couple of years where they used Honda as a striker and it wasn't a success. There wasn't much difference in Kagawa's play either.

If Japan fail it will either be due to their cbs, failure of their striker to score a lot, or their midfield pair being on the losing end. It won't be because of Kagawa playing out on the left. Those weaknesses make this discussion over Kagawa's position seem pointless tbh.
The balance of a team affects the whole team and all players in all positions. If a team concedes a goal it is easy to blame the defense but the whole team is to blame. Balanced teams perform better than unbalanced teams.
 
The balance of a team affects the whole team and all players in all positions. If a team concedes a goal it is easy to blame the defense but the whole team is to blame. Balanced teams perform better than unbalanced teams.

That's nice and all, but the cbs are well below the level of the attackers and fullbacks. Anyone who watches Japan would know that. The high line Japan uses makes it much harder on them, but even if they did away with that they would suffer due to their poor cb pairing. Not all of the goals Japan concede is due to the high defensive line Japan uses too.

All of this will factor into a Japan loss more than Kagawa playing on the left. The Italy match is a prime example. Seriously, Kagawa plays well for Japan regardless of starting in the center or on the left. I don't doubt that he would slightly perform better centrally and he has expressed in the past that he would prefer that role for Japan, but it's not that big of a deal.The freedom he has to roam, quick 1-2s he does, and willing runners from both flanks suits his play style.
 
I see Hasebe has said he is fit to start Japan's opening game. Hopefully he is fully fit and doesn't suffer a recurrence of his injury.
 
I see Hasebe has said he is fit to start Japan's opening game. Hopefully he is fully fit and doesn't suffer a recurrence of his injury.

His condition seems to be ok. For CM, Yamaguchi is sure to start. The other one is either Endo or Hasebe.

Out of respect for Ivory Coast's attacking threat, Hasebe will likely start, and perhaps Endo subs him from the second half.
 
Would those following the Japanese team closely have an explanation why the Japan NT at the ConFed Cup last year and the one at the WC now performed so very differently?
 
Would those following the Japanese team closely have an explanation why the Japan NT at the ConFed Cup last year and the one at the WC now performed so very differently?

Some points that might be relevant:

1. Physical condition
The players generally looked like they were not in good shape in the Ivory Coast game. They were generally looking sharper in the test matches. Camping at cool Itu in Brazil might have worn off the effort to acclimatize.

2. Frail Mentality
In the IC game Japan seemed generally uncourageous. ConFed, noone expects Japan to show any performace against Brazil or Italy, so we could go in with a complete challenger mentality, just give it all you've got, we've got nothing to lose.

On the other hand towards the WC we've been saying we have to win this, and the players were pressuring themselves more than they realize. And once they had the lead, they succumbed to the thought that perhaps they could just play defensively to maintain the lead; which is not what team is good at. (Like not having defense specialist Hosogai.) It just weakened the courage to attack.

3. Aftican teams
Brazil and Italy are certainly strong, but maybe Japan can cope to a certain extent. It might be the sheer physical abilities of an African team like IC that Japan actually struggles more against.

Pressure is faster, you think you've got past a defender but their legs reach you, a pass that you thought would complete gets cut off, etc. And we feel a great threat from the likes of Drogba, Yaya, Gervinho. On the other hand when I saw Colombia play against IC, the Colombian CB was nearly as big as Drogba and seemed generally to have stopped him.

4. Rainy condition
This is by no way an excuse, because obviously the conditions are equal to both teams, but the physical disadvantage seems to expand in rainy conditions. If your ball control gets a bit inaccurate it hurts us because we'll lose if we have to play catch up. Slippy conditions mean it might be hard to make agility an advantage. And with the heavy field, passing speed gets slower with resistance.

Again, these shouldn't be excuses, they ought to be able to play well regardless (look at Mexico) but it's reality.

5. Decline of key players
The Japan team was built upon some fixed key players; Honda, Kagawa, Endo, Hasebe, etc. Honda's general condition is declining. He might have some illness. Endo is no getting younger, and Hasebe was away on injury for a long time. Zacc had never seriously tried backups for these players when he still had time to test, except for Yamaguchi in CM last fall. So basically we don't have tested alternatives and in this WC were seeing some players used in positions we've rarely seen.

6. Serious contenders
In Confed I don't think opponents thought much about countering what's supposed to be Japan's strength or exploiting its weaknesses.

On the other hand I think IC's coach's tactics/formation were very clever to play against Japan (which I mentioned briefly in the African teams thread). I think they were definitely trying to use the defensive gap in Japan's left side (which BTW led to Zacc not starting Kagawa against Greece).

And when the opposing team do this, we sadly didn't really have any efffective plan B after four years of preparation. I mean high crosses and "power-play" against Greece? WTH...


So putting all this together, perhaps we need to conclude that the evaluation that Japan did fairly well in Confed and the test matches was a bit soft. We're finding that the toughness of the WC is at another level...
 
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Thanks a bunch for your detailed post, much appreciated. It may well be a blend of these aspects. Still, I'd like to hope that they do much better against Columbia and find their ConFed form. Their matches back then were fun to watch.
 
That is a shame

It is indeed - especially with some of the fantastically creative ideas their work produces... or so my friend says :nervous:

I'm disappointed with how Japan have performed (not that I'm any sort of expert on them), but might it be a case of this World Cup coming a little too soon for some of their players?
 
Japan won 3-1 against Costa Rica in a test match early this month.

But in the WC, Japan lost 2-1 against Ivory Coast and had a scoreless draw against Greece, while CR wins 3-1 against Uruguay and now 1-0 against Italy!

Really hard to tell things from the test matches...
 
I'm disappointed with how Japan have performed (not that I'm any sort of expert on them), but might it be a case of this World Cup coming a little too soon for some of their players?

Why is that? The J-League already started since March 1 while the players who play in Europe know what to expect. At the same time, I don't see anything abnormal in the time frame of the World Cup (second week of June and on until July).
 
Why is that? The J-League already started since March 1 while the players who play in Europe know what to expect. At the same time, I don't see anything abnormal in the time frame of the World Cup (second week of June and on until July).

I meant is it too soon in the case of their development as a football nation - i.e. they are going in the right direction, but still have work to do?
 
Endo reportedly saying the team has never done this "power play" option in practice that Zacc has directed the team to play when Japan needed to attack in the last minutes of its two games.

It would mean the players were playing a tactic they weren't really convinced with.

This is not good.
 
Endo reportedly saying the team has never done this "power play" option in practice that Zacc has directed the team to play when Japan needed to attack in the last minutes of its two games.

It would mean the players were playing a tactic they weren't really convinced with.

This is not good.

By 'power play' do you mean sending the CB up top?
 
By 'power play' do you mean sending the CB up top?

Yes, sending up Yoshida, kicking long high balls aiming his head, and trying to win the ball. I wasn't sure if it was Japlish but I guess it is.
 
I meant is it too soon in the case of their development as a football nation - i.e. they are going in the right direction, but still have work to do?

Considering what I saw of them since the 2010 World Cup, one would expect them to be a lot better than what is displayed so far. Along with choosing the right coach (preferably Dutch or German) to teach even more modern tactics and to act as a better motivator, I strongly believe a number of things have to change regarding the profile of players that will eventually make the backbone of a stronger Japanese team. Elements such as physicality (there are a number of tall Japanese people out there) and ruthlessness (which goes along with a dose of selfishness) will have to be favored at some point when raising youth players. The footballer mould over there will have to be broken as well.

When this article was published nearly a year ago, it tells me how the issue stems from culture and needs to be addressed in the future. No one can expect success if too many players come from the same mould (technically gifted, but not physical nor ruthless/selfish enough to reach world-class level). In the end, ditching some emphasis on group dynamic in favor of favoring more heterogeneity in the team must be the way to go.
 
Japan were overhyped. Sure, they play some pretty energetic and visually attractive football but they're still tactically & mentally naive.
 
While Japan kept passing around and kept possession, their end product when it mattered the most was simply not there.
 
Japan were overhyped. Sure, they play some pretty energetic and visually attractive football but they're still tactically & mentally naive.

Overhyped by a few overzealous fanboys who think their exit is a shock. Its kinda funny
 
They need to start lifting weights.

Not only that. It starts from youth level: if they can stop emphasizing on developing small technical midfielders and break the mould by favoring more physical players (look at their baseball players for starters; they're quite tall blokes) or single-mindedness (for strikers, it's necessary as well as being ruthless), it would help a lot. The Japanese team is too homogeneous to some extent IMHO, and that won't work if they want to win. Strikers gotta score, defenders gotta defend, goalkeepers gotta pull a miracle when needed the most.

For now, they need a new coach as long as his strong points includes motivating skills. That's where the US look stronger despite being more or less at the same development stage as a footballing nation. Still, in order to get the youngsters on the right track and allow more heterogeneity (in a good sense) in the team, I'd feel more comfortable if Japan signs a Dutch or a German coach.
 
they are very good technically, but they just couldn't cope with raw pace and strength of Colombia and it's probably the same scenario against other opponents who play the same way (haven't watched them much so it's just a guess). their set pieces are almost useless, they don't have a striker and their defence is weak. I actually thought they played quite well in the first half but just couldn't find a way to score. you can't beat strong opponents if you don't have a reliable striker. Kagawa and Honda are good players, but it just isn't enough on this level.