January Transfer Window

akash02 said:
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So now you want effort? Keep backtracking...And I'm afraid you would sweep up that as well. Creepiest moron of the year, your pillow must be so proud.

If the players don't want to come or the clubs don't to sell in Jan then we should wait till the summer. That's what the club should have done in the summer instead signing Fellaini, so I'm glad they have learned something. I'm sure the scousers do that seeing as they have picked up the likes of Suarez, Sturridge and Coutinho despite not being in the CL.
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They're all very good players and have proved to be great signings - but at the time Liverpool signed then, they weren't players the top sides would be going for.

Ironically in keeping Suarez Liverpool have shown waht you need to do to keep a world class player happy if youre not in the CL - i.e. pay him a fortune.

I hope we're aiming higher than the level those players were when they went to Liverpool - top level players of established quality. That's what we need, not taking a punt on a player from an average league or buying players who cant get regular starts at other clubs.
 
Glanville95 said:
Signing the likes of Koke and Reus is very unrealistic of course, I'm not denying that. They are both at clubs who are currently better than United, progressing well in the Champions League and in positions to play CL football next year.

However, I'm not necessarily talking about Champions League players, there are still very good players who play lower level football who could instantly impact United, all you need to be is astute in the market as Liverpool have been in the last few January windows.

I don't want to sound naive and United would take a big hit if they were to miss out on top four, but due to their revenue they are still a very sustainable club with the foundations in place for success in the future with the promising youth in the squad.

I'm sure players will still see that and United will still have a strong allure on a lot of players. The problem is United actually showing initiative in the transfer market and going about their negotiating amateurishly, opposed to United not being an attractive proposition for players. Hopefully Ed will start doing his fecking job properly.

It will take time to amend the weaknesses - as there are a lot - and the prospect of no CL football could well have an effect on van Persie and Rooney, but three or four quality signings could go a long way to rectifying our deficiencies. Easier said than done...
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As much as people hate it on here - City and Chelsea brought in top players despite not having the history or prestige - becuase they were preapred to pay big money. That is the simple reality of modern football.

The people running the club need to realise this if only to pretect their investment.
 
The worst thing about knowing that we won't sign anybody is knowing how much it would lift the team if we did. Look at the Ozil to Arsenal effect in had on them. One big name in, even if not 100% needed like Ozil wasn't for Arsenal, would do us the World of good. It would lift the entire team, I just know it would.

I wish the powers at be at United weren't so sensible and buttoned up all the time. It sometimes looks as though they aren't showing enough fight.
 
RedSky At Night said:
Akash, it's probably not wise to insult people on here considering what happened to Nev.
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What happened to him?

RedRover said:
They're all very good players and have proved to be great signings - but at the time Liverpool signed then, they weren't players the top sides would be going for.

Ironically in keeping Suarez Liverpool have shown waht you need to do to keep a world class player happy if youre not in the CL - i.e. pay him a fortune.

I hope we're aiming higher than the level those players were when they went to Liverpool - top level players of established quality. That's what we need, not taking a punt on a player from an average league or buying players who cant get regular starts at other clubs.
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Don't agree with the last paragraph. Both Sturridge and Countinho were excellent signings. Just because half of the forum was too busy laughing at their signings does not mean they weren't excellent players. I said it at the time that Sturridge would be excellent and that Countinho would go on to do better than Kagawa ever has for us.

IMO a year or two out of the top 4 is not going to hurt us transfer wise or financially. Rodgers picked out two very good signings. The question is can Moyes do the same?
 
If Chelsea spend 40m in this window, it'll bring their spending total to 300m in the past 3 seasons. If we don't spend any money in this window, we'll be at 150m in the past 3 seasons. So if the above occurred, Chelsea will have spent double the amount we have in the past 3 seasons.

I generally thought our lack of spending since Ronnie left was to ensure our new manager had a massive war chest at his disposal. Now I'm starting to wonder if it's simply the Glazers keeping their hands in their pockets. We'll see this summer I suppose.
 
RedRover said:
As much as people hate it on here - City and Chelsea brought in top players despite not having the history or prestige - becuase they were preapred to pay big money. That is the simple reality of modern football.

The people running the club need to realise this if only to pretect their investment.
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Money is the overriding factor of success in modern football now you are right, that's simply the way it is and it also means even more from a revenue perspective now than it did years ago. Missing out on top four for the club would be huge and may scupper our chances of reclaiming a top four spot in the coming years, as it did for Liverpool.
 
Absolute Fruit Cake said:
Which Nev is that? TheNeviller?

Don't worry, akash is a good poster, just a bit emotional here. No big worries!
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Aye TheNeviller, and it doesn't really matter if he is emotional. Insulting people is frowned on. Just thought I'd give you a warning anyway before he talks himself into trouble!

As for Transfers in this window, I think we all need to lower our expectations. Seems like we're waiting for the Summer.
 
Anybody know anything useful about Freddy Guarín of Inter? I don't watch Seria A and I don't remember seeing him play at Porto or in Europe.

Apparently Chelsea have put in a bid of around €20m and we're supposed to be interested as well - according to some Italian and Spanish media.

Just agent talk or something else?
 
Glanville95 said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...David-Moyes-has-to-strengthen-in-January.html

'January targets: Manchester United should look to the likes of Kyle Walker and Luke Shaw to strengthen their defence'

I have lost respect for Mark Ogden.

Kyle Walker is fecking shocking. I'd genuinely rather have Smalling at right back.
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This was shocking, and I usually respect Ogden's articles. Walker was bad, but Lescott? To me he's more of a liability than Ferdinand, but some of the "ideal" purchases were ideal in fairness. He just went on to say we weren't likely to get them which made the article almost pointless.

RedSky At Night said:
Perm banned for continually insulting people.
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Ahh that's a shame, I really enjoyed TN's post. Extremely controversial and I kind of expected this to happen sooner or later.
 
akash02 said:
What happened to him?



Don't agree with the last paragraph. Both Sturridge and Countinho were excellent signings. Just because half of the forum was too busy laughing at their signings does not mean they weren't excellent players. I said it at the time that Sturridge would be excellent and that Countinho would go on to do better than Kagawa ever has for us.

IMO a year or two out of the top 4 is not going to hurt us transfer wise or financially. Rodgers picked out two very good signings. The question is can Moyes do the same?
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I didnt say otherwise. The point I'm making is that neither were established players - the first not able to get a game at Chelsea and the second out on loan from Inter. They turned out to be decent signings - but that wasn't a given.

Its very difficult to compete with the very best sides when you need to buy players from a level below and hope they can cut it, if your rivals are buying the best. You seem to assume that Liverpool have arrived now and will be top 4 - I'm not sure that will be the case. They're arguably puncging above their weight at the moment - but its only half way through the season.

As regards the CL - once you're out its difficult to get back in. And some fans are fickle - how long before the millions of fans buying United shirts in the far east are swapping them for City, or Chelsea, or Barca - or whomever else?

The club has huge debt, and that needs to be serviced. Others will know more about this than me but surely no CL income and the damage in status that brings adversely affects United as a product and as a money making venture.
 
Red Shorts said:
This was shocking, and I usually respect Ogden's articles. Walker was bad, but Lescott? To me he's more of a liability than Ferdinand, but some of the "ideal" purchases were ideal in fairness. He just went on to say we weren't likely to get them which made the article almost pointless.





Ahh that's a shame, I really enjoyed TN's post. Extremely controversial and I kind of expected this to happen sooner or later.
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The problem with TN was he disagreed with everyone, even when he agreed with them.
 
Glanville95 said:
Money is the overriding factor of success in modern football now you are right, that's simply the way it is and it also means even more from a revenue perspective now than it did years ago. Missing out on top four for the club would be huge and may scupper our chances of reclaiming a top four spot in the coming years, as it did for Liverpool.
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Spot on.

Liverpool may not even get back in this year - despite the quality they have. That tells you everything.
 
RedRover said:
Spot on.

Liverpool may not even get back in this year - despite the quality they have. That tells you everything.
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They have too much reliance on Suarez to get them out of these situations. They have a good front line with Coutinho Sturridge and Suarez, but behind them is worse than our situation (in my opinion). If Suarez picks up his annual pass of missing 8 games (I'm predicting he will hit a child or on those lines) then I can't see them continuing this good run they are on, even though they did have a good streak without him at the beginning of the season.
 
RedRover said:
I didnt say otherwise. The point I'm making is that neither were established players - the first not able to get a game at Chelsea and the second out on loan from Inter. They turned out to be decent signings - but that wasn't a given.

Its very difficult to compete with the very best sides when you need to buy players from a level below and hope they can cut it, if your rivals are buying the best. You seem to assume that Liverpool have arrived now and will be top 4 - I'm not sure that will be the case. They're arguably puncging above their weight at the moment - but its only half way through the season.
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Not getting games at CHelsea says more about Chelsea than Sturridge and Countinho went on loan and was brilliant in a better league. If we signed players like that I wouldn't be complaining at all.

I am not saying there will be no difference at all. We'll obviously have to fork out a little bit more money to entice the players which we really should be doing given the amount we earn.
 
How can ppl have missed TN is banned, a whole thread is more ore less dedicated to him with TDon and Irwhine showing a lot of pretty strange love for footy forum.
Anyway is Ogden serious? Lescott and fecking Walker?
 
Godfather said:
How can ppl have missed TN is banned, a whole thread is more ore less dedicated to him with TDon and Irwhine showing a lot of pretty strange love for footy forum.
Anyway is Ogden serious? Lescott and fecking Walker?
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I have since read through it. The 13 pages put me off reading it

Shame TNev got banned. Pretty much the only fecker who wasn't a moaning git on the football forums.
 
akash02 said:
I have since read through it. The 13 pages put me off reading it

Shame TNev got banned. Pretty much the only fecker who wasn't a moaning git on the football forums.
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Not the place to discuss him really. Don't really care either, but he got better than he was at first. As I'm one of the guys who is helped by a good old moan in the United forum I'm not the right person to talk about it anyway.
 
If we sign one of Vidal, Reus and Koke this January I'll film myself tanning my balls with a bunsen burner. You can quote me on that.
 
Kaos said:
If we sign one of Vidal, Reus and Koke this January I'll film myself tanning my balls with a bunsen burner. You can quote me on that.
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Woody have you seen this. just for comedy value we must sign all three now.
 
Red Shorts said:
They have too much reliance on Suarez to get them out of these situations. They have a good front line with Coutinho Sturridge and Suarez, but behind them is worse than our situation (in my opinion). If Suarez picks up his annual pass of missing 8 games (I'm predicting he will hit a child or on those lines) then I can't see them continuing this good run they are on, even though they did have a good streak without him at the beginning of the season.
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I agree.

Sturridge is a very good player on his day, but he seems to pick up a lot of injuries. Coutinho is, again, great on his day and may become a special player - but I've watched a few games where he's dont nothing.

They lack real strength in depth.
 
akash02 said:
Not getting games at CHelsea says more about Chelsea than Sturridge and Countinho went on loan and was brilliant in a better league. If we signed players like that I wouldn't be complaining at all.

I am not saying there will be no difference at all. We'll obviously have to fork out a little bit more money to entice the players which we really should be doing given the amount we earn.
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I disagree entirely. We need established players - not punting £10 million on players who may, or may not come off.

Very simple to sit here and say "I'd love it if we bought Coutinho/Sturridge" after other clubs have bought them and they've done well. We could all do that. What you're saying is " I think these two would have been decent because they've done well" - to which I dont disagree but the fact is, for every signing like that there are umpteen players who arent up to it when they go to a big club.

Where you shouting aboiut Coutinho or Sturridge before they signed for Liverpool? I doubt it, and neither was anyone. Hence why we're fans and not scouts.

It is possible to buy players like that who become a success. It is though, very difficult, and is risky if you're mortgaging your future on it - and given the cash that United generate they should, and need to be, shopping for better players. Those you can pretty much guarantee have the quality to come in and raise performances.
 
RedRover said:
I disagree entirely. We need established players - not punting £10 million on players who may, or may not come off.

Very simple to sit here and say "I'd love it if we bought Coutinho/Sturridge" after other clubs have bought them and they've done well. We could all do that. What you're saying is " I think these two would have been decent because they've done well" - to which I dont disagree but the fact is, for every signing like that there are umpteen players who arent up to it when they go to a big club.

Where you shouting aboiut Coutinho or Sturridge before they signed for Liverpool? I doubt it, and neither was anyone. Hence why we're fans and not scouts.

It is possible to buy players like that who become a success. It is though, very difficult, and is risky if you're mortgaging your future on it - and given the cash that United generate they should, and need to be, shopping for better players. Those you can pretty much guarantee have the quality to come in and raise performances.
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Coutinho has been decent but not great! The best players for Liverpool so far have both been signed by Kenny D (Suarez and Henderson)
 
So funds are there, Moyes acknowledges we need players urgently and he's previously stated we need first team players not squaddies. Probably won't be this month but still for me this is good news.
 
RedRover said:
I disagree entirely. We need established players - not punting £10 million on players who may, or may not come off.

Very simple to sit here and say "I'd love it if we bought Coutinho/Sturridge" after other clubs have bought them and they've done well. We could all do that. What you're saying is " I think these two would have been decent because they've done well" - to which I dont disagree but the fact is, for every signing like that there are umpteen players who arent up to it when they go to a big club.

Where you shouting aboiut Coutinho or Sturridge before they signed for Liverpool? I doubt it, and neither was anyone. Hence why we're fans and not scouts.

It is possible to buy players like that who become a success. It is though, very difficult, and is risky if you're mortgaging your future on it - and given the cash that United generate they should, and need to be, shopping for better players. Those you can pretty much guarantee have the quality to come in and raise performances.
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When Liverpool were linked with the two of them (i.e before they played a single game for Liverpool) I said they would be very good signings. I later said Countinho was going to become a better player in the league than either Eriksen or Kagawa only to be laughed at by some.

Who the feck gives a shite what players fans are shouting about? Not everyone was shouting for joy when we signed Carrick for 18m nor when we signed Evra or Vidic. If we can get the very top players then brilliant, nothing like it but that's not the only way to achieve success.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
So funds are there, Moyes acknowledges we need players urgently and he's previously stated we need first team players not squaddies. Probably won't be this month but still for me this is good news.
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This has been the general sentiment at United for around 4 years now. Nothing has been done about it though. Though you'd hope that our worst start in years and appalling standard of play might just force their hand now into actually doing something about it, maybe.
 
@Kaos Can't quote for some reason.

I don't think he can ignore it. He needs to turn it round, there's no shiny PL trophy papering over the cracks this time.
 
I refuse to believe that the only available players we've identified over the past year are Everton ones + Coentrao.
 
akash02 said:
When Liverpool were linked with the two of them (i.e before they played a single game for Liverpool) I said they would be very good signings. I later said Countinho was going to become a better player in the league than either Eriksen or Kagawa only to be laughed at by some.

Who the feck gives a shite what players fans are shouting about? Not everyone was shouting for joy when we signed Carrick for 18m nor when we signed Evra or Vidic. If we can get the very top players then brilliant, nothing like it but that's not the only way to achieve success.
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You're totally missing the point.

Coutinho looks like a bargain - but right now is he that much better than Januzaj? Enough to make a real difference? For me the problems in the squad will not be dealt with by buying players who look good at 21, and may become world beaters - we need established, quality players now who will improve the squad to a level to allow it to compete with the best teams in the league and around Europe.

There is a reason why top players cost big money. Its rare that a club can spend a lemonade budget and play champagne football - especially the way football is these days.

Its not fair on Moyes for the club, or the fans to expect that he can succeed when the cards are stacked against him. We keep hearing the rhetoric that money is available - but I'll be happier when I see it being spent .
 
I'm not up to date with the latest on transfers this January, is there still a decent chance we'll sign someone this month? The last I heard was Moyes saying we will do our business in the summer..
 
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