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Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
I have sighted 4 examples of you implying it directly. 4 clear examples quoting you verbatim. I didn't use any one else words but yours. & those for examples are the reason I made the response I did. I will not repeat that to you again

The only one who brought nonsense into this thread is you. :wenger:
1. You are the one who got personal.

2. You are the the one who can't handle the fact that someone doesn't agree with you that Vertonghen the major factor in them being open in central areas.

Plain and simple.
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You said he was not to blame at all. That's what I have an issue with.

This is why it's pointless to argue with you. You simply doesn't argue football, you argue semantics, and you still get it wrong.

We're not getting anywhere - did you think Vertonghen had a good game yesterday? If you do, I disagree with you. That's how simple it is.
 
marjen said:
You said he was not to blame at all. That's what I have an issue with.....
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Utter rubbish. If that was all you allegedly have issue with you wouldn't have launched into a tirade of personal bullshit.

marjen said:
This is why it's pointless to argue with you. You simply doesn't argue football, you argue semantics, and you still get it wrong.
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Dude you are the only one arguing semantics. After all you are the one who started asking me ''Where do you see me claiming that he was the chief reason for Ajax being open in the middle? '' even after being given 4 clear examples of you implying it.

marjen said:
We're not getting anywhere - did you think Vertonghen had a good game yesterday? ....
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In my opinion he had mixed bag of a game. He showed some glimpses of his real quality, but was constantly dragged into no mans land by the porousness of the Ajax midfield. Almost every time he tried to get to any player of ours operating in the hole, he was effectively caught out or by passed, contributing to him looking very positionally suspect. All because the holding player in front of him was AWOL, yet Ajax were playing a very high line.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
In my opinion he had mixed bag of a game. He showed some glimpses of his real quality, but was constantly dragged into no mans land by the porousness of the Ajax midfield. Almost every time he tried to get to any player of ours operating in the hole, he was effectively caught out or by passed, contributing to him looking very positionally suspect. All because the holding player in front of him was AWOL, yet Ajax were playing a very high line.
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Ignoring your irrelevant drivel about me implying this or that, this is the crux of it.

You're not really disagreeing with me on Vertonghen's performance, you're just blaming it on somebody else not doing their job. Which is partly true, admittedly.
 
Tottenham Hotspur Scout Ajax Defender Jan Vertonghen

Tottenham Hotspur could be set to step up their interest in Ajax defender Jan Vertonghen after scouting the Belgian in the Dutch side’s 2-0 Europa League defeat to Manchester United on Thursday.

A delegation from Spurs took in Vertonghen’s display at the Amsterdam ArenA and saw the stopper come out with his reputation more than intact despite being on the losing team on the evening. Indeed, in many ways the Ajax man proved ready to step up to the hustle and bustle of the Premier League.

The centre back relished the occasion of facing Manchester United, a taster of what he could expect if he were to make the leap in the summer to England.

"Especially in the first half, it was very nice", said Vertonghen to De Telegraaf, reflecting upon the match.

"Especially since we were playing against an English opponent", he added.

Ajax have been planning for the 24-year-old’s departure for some time and coach Frank de Boer half expected to lose the player’s services in the transfer window last month.

And De Boer has backed Vertonghen, believing the defender to be ready to compete against the likes of Manchester United on a regular basis.

"Jan is already close to the level of Manchester United", said the Ajax coach, adding: "And he can still improve."

Vertonghen is under contract until 2013 at the Amsterdam ArenA and, although Ajax have indicated a willingness to extend the Belgium international’s deal, he is expected to try his luck in a bigger league next season.
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This lad is seriously impressive. Admittedly I've only seen him in this 2 games, but he oozes class. He'd probably be a starter in every PL side, except for us.
 
Spurs trying to get a lot of top class talent in the last 12 months...if they get him, Damio and Hazard they could become genuine title contenders imo...
 
Yes i was impressed by him too, read the game very well at times i thought. Without him i think the game could have been easily over for Ajax in the first half when we were on top.

I think he would improve a fair few PL defences with performances like that, not seen much of him really though, so i don't want to get too carried away. But based upon last night i thought he was excellent.
 
“I think Tottenham are an amazing club and you see how well they are doing this season. They are in the top three in England and that’s where I want to play. I can’t say anything about whether there has been contact about a transfer but I think my game can be suited to English football”, Vertonghen was quoted as saying to goal.com.
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Devilton said:
Spurs trying to get a lot of top class talent in the last 12 months...if they get him, Damio and Hazard they could become genuine title contenders imo...
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I dont understand why dont we do the same. Hazard would be a fantastic addition to the team and Vertonghen seems to be a better defender then all we have bar Vidic and maybe Rio. If Spurs can afford them, then why can't we?
 
Not sure how you've reached the conclusion that Vertonghen is any better than Evans or Smalling. He plays in a vastly inferior league to the prem and yes he has looked good in the europa league but Smalling and Evan have look excellent on ocasions in the champions league, where as Vertonghen has looked more than shaky on occasions that i've seen him at that level.

Its amazing how some can see so little of a player and assume he is better than what we already have, I guess its "grass always greener on the other side" syndrome.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Not sure how you've reached the conclusion that Vertonghen is any better than Evans or Smalling. He plays in a vastly inferior league to the prem and yes he has looked good in the europa league but Smalling and Evan have look excellent on ocasions in the champions league, where as Vertonghen has looked more than shaky on occasions that i've seen him at that level.

Its amazing how some can see so little of a player and assume he is better than what we already have, I guess its "grass always greener on the other side" syndrome.
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I've been following him for quite some time. He's not only a solid defender but also a great leader. With the twins + Rio being injury prone. I think that we can find space for Vertonghen. Jones will move as right back, Evans will cover left back and Rio, Vidic, Vertonghen and Smalling would be our CBs. Im not saying that its first priority but it would would be nice not to see Valencia, Carrick and any other player who can tackle in defense.
 
We have 5 center backs and 3 full backs. Why another center back. He's not even first choice center back for Belgium. He's behind Kompany, Vermaelen and van Buyten.
 
devilish said:
I've been following him for quite some time. He's not only a solid defender but also a great leader. With the twins + Rio being injury prone. I think that we can find space for Vertonghen. Jones will move as right back, Evans will cover left back and Rio, Vidic, Vertonghen and Smalling would be our CBs. Im not saying that its first priority but it would would be nice not to see Valencia, Carrick and any other player who can tackle in defense.
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So what do you do with Evra and the twins when they are fit? Are you going to leave Fabio on the bench and play Evans at LB when he has had a very good season for us in central defense.

Unless Rio leaves or retires, I don't think we should get a high profile defender. If Rio can get through this season, then we are fine. Once Vidic comes back, we don't need Rio to play a lot.
 
BAMSOLA said:
Not sure how you've reached the conclusion that Vertonghen is any better than Evans or Smalling. He plays in a vastly inferior league to the prem and yes he has looked good in the europa league but Smalling and Evan have look excellent on ocasions in the champions league, where as Vertonghen has looked more than shaky on occasions that i've seen him at that level.

Its amazing how some can see so little of a player and assume he is better than what we already have, I guess its "grass always greener on the other side" syndrome.
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Devilish doesn't care for the team dynamics or anything, he just wants to see new signings.
 
RDCR07 said:
So what do you do with Evra and the twins when they are fit? Are you going to leave Fabio on the bench and play Evans at LB when he has had a very good season for us in central defense.

Unless Rio leaves or retires, I don't think we should get a high profile defender. If Rio can get through this season, then we are fine. Once Vidic comes back, we don't need Rio to play a lot.
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Evra will be first teamer of course. The Da Silva twins will compete for a first team place like anybody else. I wouldn't say anything if Rio or the twins weren't injury prone. Unfortunately they are, and considering that we lost Wes + OShea (we brought 1 replacement ie Jones who cover roles in CM too) and that we compete on 4 fronts then it wouldn't be such a bad idea to add a new defender. It may save us from seeing Valencia, Fletch or Carrick playing in the defense year in year out.

Its not first priority as we need to focus on CM. However if the price is right and we can afford him then why not? The Ajax defender seems to be a nice addition to any team. He's young, he's talented and he's a leader. That's something rare in young defenders these days.
 
Surely Evans is better than this Vertonghen.

He didn't look anything special when we played Ajax if those were supposed to be his good performances.
 
devilish said:
Evra will be first teamer of course. The Da Silva twins will compete for a first team place like anybody else. I wouldn't say anything if Rio or the twins weren't injury prone. Unfortunately they are, and considering that we lost Wes + OShea (we brought 1 replacement ie Jones who cover roles in CM too) and that we compete on 4 fronts then it wouldn't be such a bad idea to add a new defender. It may save us from seeing Valencia, Fletch or Carrick playing in the defense year in year out.

Its not first priority as we need to focus on CM. However if the price is right and we can afford him then why not? The Ajax defender seems to be a nice addition to any team. He's young, he's talented and he's a leader. That's something rare in young defenders these days.
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If we need a backup, we already have Fryers. I don't understand the notion of you paying £15m for a defender and then not playing him often. You are going to wait for someone to get injured just to play him?
 
KM said:
Devilish doesn't care for the team dynamics or anything, he just wants to see new signings.
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Yep. While he allowed his opinion, it is mostly crap. Starts big and then continues to back down. 'Why can't we sign players like him, I just don't get. He is better than everyone bar Vidic' to 'I'm sure we can fit him in' and finally 'obviously it isn't priority.'
 
I love the way he just brings the ball as high up the pitch as possible, very Vermaelen-esque.
 
Interval Level said:
Yep. While he allowed his opinion, it is mostly crap. Starts big and then continues to back down. 'Why can't we sign players like him, I just don't get. He is better than everyone bar Vidic' to 'I'm sure we can fit him in' and finally 'obviously it isn't priority.'
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or could it be the case that its just a continuation of the same argument. I think that Vertonghen is a great defender and considering that we always end with midfielders in defense, it would be nice to add a defender to the team. However its not our first priority to do so since CM is first priority.
 
devilish said:
I've been following him for quite some time. He's not only a solid defender but also a great leader. With the twins + Rio being injury prone. I think that we can find space for Vertonghen. Jones will move as right back, Evans will cover left back and Rio, Vidic, Vertonghen and Smalling would be our CBs. Im not saying that its first priority but it would would be nice not to see Valencia, Carrick and any other player who can tackle in defense.
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How have you been following him? Do you watch many matches he plays in?
 
Snow said:
We have 5 center backs and 3 full backs. Why another center back. He's not even first choice center back for Belgium. He's behind Kompany, Vermaelen and van Buyten.
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That's hardly a detrimental factor though. Those 2 are very good defenders especially Kompany who has been excellent this season.
 
Levo91 said:
That's hardly a detrimental factor though. Those 2 are very good defenders especially Kompany who has been excellent this season.
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To be fair, if he's not even better than Vermealen then I don't want him here. Vermealen is the most over-rated defender in the premier league by far, just has the reputation because he is quite technical and scored some sweet goals in his first season.
 
KM said:
To be fair, if he's not even better than Vermealen then I don't want him here. Vermealen is the most over-rated defender in the premier league by far, just has the reputation because he is quite technical and scored some sweet goals in his first season.
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I wouldn't want him as a CB more a DM. For Belgium it seems a better option to have both on the pitch and him playing DM seems the only way unless they were to shift Vermaelen to LB.
 
The do shift Vermaelen to left back. Like I said, Vertonghen is 4th choice center back. If all 4 are fit then Vermaelen is left back.

Vertonghen is too slow to be playing in midfield and definitely not good enough of a passer for Manchester United to play there.
 
Vertonghen won't pen new deal

Reported Premier League target Jan Vertonghen says he has no intention of signing a new deal at Ajax and has reiterated his desire to join an English club.

The Belgium international defender has been linked with a host of top European sides, with Tottenham thought to be frontrunners in the race for his signature.

A move away from Amsterdam looks increasingly likely for Vertonghen after he confirmed he will not extend his Ajax deal, which expires in June 2013.

"I am still under contract until June 2013, but I do not intend to extend it," the Ajax captain told Vak410.nl.

"I hope to continue my career at a good Premier League club where I can stay for many seasons.

"I will miss Ajax and I do not plan to sell my house [in Amsterdam]. But I want to get to know England and the unique atmosphere of its stadia."

Vertonghen came through the youth ranks at Ajax after joining the club as a teenager from Germinal Beerschot in 2003.

The 24-year-old, who has been capped 36 times for Belgium, has also been linked with Arsenal and Newcastle.

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Tottenham or Arsenal will get him. Exactly what they don't need to be spending money on. So they will. Arsenal only buy wingers and center backs and Tottenaham buys a player so long as he isn't a winger, full back or a good striker.

Him and Luiz would make an excellent pair of not-being-very-good-together-playing-football pair. They don't complement each other well so I hope he goes there.

As for us, we shouldn't be looking for wingers, strikers, goalkeepers or center backs at all except they are very young and talented or world class so he ain't coming here I'll tell you what.
 
He would probably be an improvement for Arsenal and especially Tottenham, and he also looks like a leader, something that both of those two are in short supply.
 
He'd be a good signing for Arsenal as Mertesacker and Squillaci don't seem to be good enough and although Vermaelen and Koscielny would be a great partnership if they both stay fit, he'd be a great third choice.

I could actually see City getting him, Kompany's excellent and Lescott has improved from last season, but I don't rate Kolo Toure anymore and Savic looked awful. They definately need to strengthen central defence because if Kompany were to get injured for the season like Vidic did for us, then they'd be pretty screwed as they dont have anywhere near our standard of cover.
 
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