Give it to Giggsy until the end of the season.
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He won't want to be made into the escape goat when viewing numbers go down.
It's 'scrape coat', FGS.
Wow SKY, you bad boys you!? That'll teach him eh - two months off (presumably unpaid) then a holiday then come back and forget it ever happened.
Check out Dean Windass' tweet. And people say footballers are thick?
Headed a ball too many has Dean.Check out Dean Windass' tweet. And people say footballers are thick?
He had 10 drafts before hitting send. This was the best one.
Jamie Carragher to replace Jose Mourinho as United manager - his attacks are more fluid.
Maybe you don't see spitting to be as disgusting as I do
Fluidity is a bonus. Attacks are enough
Where did I say that spitting isn't disgusting? I can't recall myself saying that.
I'm just placing myself firmly in opposition of the Twitter police who think that the response to any wrongdoing should be a complete destruction of someone's life. Rehabilitation and redemption my arse, right? Especially since the Twitter folks are happy to let much more dangerous acts slide without calling for the loss of someone's livelihood, like I pointed out in my previous post. Surely we can agree that manslaughter and drunk driving is more dangerous than spitting, right?
Why is the poll so unfunny?
Why do we have to compare it to drunk driving? Surely it should be judged on its own merits?
Sure, but surely when you decide and call for punishments there has to be some kind of scale where the worse offense leads to the harsher punishment, don't you agree? So if drunk driving and manslaughter don't make the Twitter police call for someone to lose their job, then IMO spitting should neither.
Let's just agree to disagree, you obviously think that mistakes are completely unacceptable and the man should lose his livelihood despite nobody being harmed by it, because he did something very yucky. Let's lock him up for life while we're at it!
Your views are the perfect example of what the internet does to people’s brains.
Says the social justice warrior
??Says the social justice warrior
It's hardly my view that's been distorted by the internet, rather the other side of the argument with the Twitter mob going out in full force to make Carragher lose his job. So, since I'm on the other side of the argument to what appears to be the majority, how am I the one affected by groupthink mentality?
If you could elaborate on your snide comment I'd probably be able to address it better.
You’re referencing the twitter mob and the twitter police. Who gives a feck what they think. If you have your own opinion stand behind it, and respect the opinions of others.
Honestly, I don't see what your point is, and how my brain has been tampered with by the internet.
I strongly oppose people of varying anonymity calling for Carragher to lose his livelihood over this mistake, that hasn't really harmed anyone if we're honest. It's easy to sit at home and call to ruin someone's life from the security of your computer screen, without really thinking of the consequences.
As for the rest of your post, I literally said in my last post "let's agree to disagree". Not sure what you're getting at here.
Well if we’re being really honest, it has. Right from the second it landed on the youngsters face and was caught on camera it started harming people.
@Anustart89
My original comment was just based off the back of some of your terminology. It came across as the really annoying modern way of arguing with some of your references however on reflection you seem more than capable of making a point of your own rather than conforming to some of the usual tit for tat shite. My apologies.
My original comment was just based off the back of some of your terminology. It came across as the really annoying modern way of arguing with some of your references however on reflection you seem more than capable of making a point of your own rather than conforming to some of the usual tit for tat shite. My apologies.
There are many jobs out there that would have him fired for this without the pressure from the twitter police that you so bravely stand against.
Nobody says he should never work again ffs, like a lot of people he would lose his job and would have to look elsewhere.
But not poor old Jamie, his job can't be at risk. Its not like he has the easiest job in the world in terms of jobs for boys.
His livelihood is at stake.
The ramifications of committing this act should have been in the mind of the idiot doing it.
In law and in the workplace the effects of punishment on the accused''s employment are known beforehand.
It is what stops me from planting one on the annoying scrote I work with.
I alter my behaviour to suit the regulations I'm working within.
Whatever punishment comes his way, he only has himself to blame.
It is not for us to judge how he has damaged Sky''s image, or what punishment he'd get for an assault prosecution.
To plea that it is unfair, when it would cost most people in the country their jobs, shows favouritism and a skewed sense of justice.
In law and in the workplace the effects of punishment on the accused''s employment are known beforehand.
It is what stops me from planting one on the annoying scrote I work with.
I alter my behaviour to suit the regulations I'm working within.
Whatever punishment comes his way, he only has himself to blame.
It is not for us to judge how he has damaged Sky''s image, or what punishment he'd get for an assault prosecution.
To plea that it is unfair, when it would cost most people in the country their jobs, shows favouritism and a skewed sense of justice.
Im glad he hasnt lost the role with SS. Decent pundit. Suspension fits the crime.
If the girl feels she has been harmed, she has every right to complain to the police. However, you and I haven't been harmed by this, have we? We might get offended and appalled to varying degrees, but unless we're very weak minded we haven't really suffered any actual physical or psychological trauma from it. That's part of my point, people love to go on Twitter rants after being offended on someone else's behalf, without thinking of the consequences for the ones being at the end of their public justice campaigns. See the Justine Sacco story for instance. Another example's a Swedish former theatre director who was subjected to a media witch hunt for his leadership style and attitude, who lost his job and had to flee the country, and ended up committing suicide this week at 58 years old.
Regarding your second post, no worries, that's fair enough.
Carragher might lose his job due to breaking clauses in his contract or whatever, but if the damages were irreparable he would've been fired already. I just hope that the decision on whether he should or shouldn't keep his job is based on the contract between him and his employer and not one that is rashly made on the back of public outrage. I think they've done well to take him out of the spotlight and let the public outcry die down before deciding on what to do. If they feel that his actions are so reprehensible that he literally cannot stay, then so be it.
I just feel like people are more offended and outraged by spit-gate than Marcos Alonso killing someone while drunk driving, and in my world one's clearly worse than the other.
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No it doesn’t. Kirsty Gallagher was 3 times over the limit. Kept her job and no suspension. She had her kids in the car too.
Georgie Thompson drink driving again and was promoted to do F1 of all shows.
So to sack Carragher after doing nothing to the above two would have been pathetic.
He is scouse though so..
Unfortunately, popularity plays a part in this (and the gap in time)
People without question are significantly more easily offended than they were in 2011. Carragher doing this was video’d, uploaded and commented on within an hour of it happening in real life. We’re a lot better at being drama queens online than we were 7 years ago and that has a lot to do with it. I’m confident you ask 100 people what’s worse, everyone says Alonso. This incident is weeks old, and involves a much more known figure to the UK public (I’m sure across Europe no one really gives a feck because it’s not being broadcast, the same way that this accident happening in Spain meant it didn’t really get that much attention here).
With regards the first part of your post, we absolutely have not been harmed however we can both broadcast our opinions on it as we see fit. If people have taken this to heart, so be it, I think it’s self defeating personally but you can’t help everyone. I’m in a career where I help people process things (light way to put it) happening in their mind, so when I see this incident I see a huge catalogue of events and behaviour that led to Carragher doing what he did. I’d love it if the focus could be on understanding WHY Carragher did that, because there’s a very explainable theory behind it all. He referred to it himself as a “moment of madness” but it can be traced back to all different parts of his biological physiology.
This didn’t offend me at all. It does intrigue me though, and as a former officer of the law I also realize that a crime has taken place one way or another and the man needed to be punished which he has been.
As far as people being harmed, Carragher is a cult hero to many, some of his fans have likely threatened the family involved in some shape or form. That’s as harmful as it gets, really.
Wrong. You are thinking of the Kirkby Kiss.
Good post. Hard to disagree with any of it, especially the last part. Then again, that's another manifestation of the online mob mentality that I'm so against.
I wholeheartedly agree with the notion that we (and Sky, being his employer and having some responsibility for the well-being of their employee) have to try to understand if there's some underlying, treatable, issue at the heart of this. That's why I sarcastically said "Rehabilitation and redemption my arse, right?" in response to another poster.
Yep, I get what y
Yep and it’s just a whole different can of worms to open because of the pre-suppositions of anger management and rehabilitation.
The online mob is here to stay unfortunately, and pretty much all of us are wired to wanting to connect with people, and to protect our opinions so it’s a merry go round of “why can’t you see it my way” and on and on it goes until... well, there probably is no end to be honest.
Jamie Carragher spits at a man and his 14 year old daughter and everyone is saying he is scum, should be sacked and never work in TV again.
Yet Ant Mcpartlin the fecking idiot gets behind the wheel pissed up, crashes into 3 cars and injures a 3 year old child but should be left alone to deal with his issues.
The world is fecked!
Yet Ant Mcpartlin the fecking idiot gets behind the wheel pissed up, crashes into 3 cars and injures a 3 year old child but should be left alone to deal with his issues.
The world is fecked!
Is loved by the british establishment and the mainstream media, therefore sympathy is just around the corner
Ha ha. Well the difference is that it sounds like PJ or Duncan, whichever one he is, has substance abuse issues and possible mental health issues - both can be treated.
Carragher on the other hand is ex-LFC and there's sadly no treatment for that! He could have come to United, just think of the medals he'd have!
Would have been a bench warmer at best
Alternatively, he'd be handy for polishing the silverware.
Reason enough in my book to say he's scum. Rest assured he won't be sacked; he'll ooze back onto Sky Sports with his fellow Kopite presenters and all will be right with the world once more.
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