I wouldn't loan him out I have to say. We've seen plenty of examples where loans haven't helped. He sounds like a down to earth kid, I'd much rather if we sell Hernandez or RVP to promote Wilson. I'm also hopeful Keane will be back to near his best next season with a pre season behind him. I think we're not too bad for forwards. We could even play mata in the hole. He's good for goals once he's fully settled. What I like about Wilson though apart from his composure, is he's a clean striker of the ball. Personally I wouldn't loan him out. I think there would be plenty of opportunities in the future to give him minutes.
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Who was that right winger, no 11? Looked promising as well!
Janko. He's the Swiss lad we got last summer. Only 17 I think and can play both full back and further forward. Is a lot like Tony V.
Talented kid.
Still lots to work on.
Still lots to work on.
Seems to have all the basic tools needed to make it here. But we knew that already I suppose. He needs to make the step up seamlessly when he gets his chance. Probably in the pre season tours.
I think Janko finds it easier to look better at this level due to his physical stature.
Certainly looked more than fast enough; more agile and technichal than Valencia perhaps?
Thanks, btw
Certainly looked more than fast enough; more agile and technichal than Valencia perhaps?
Thanks, btw
He's a lump, not that I don't rate him, but I don't think he'd look half of what he is if he wasn't so much larger/bigger... I don't think he'll make it here tbh, may I be proved wrong.
I honestly think he has the best chance of making it.
I agree, lacks the game intelligence and technical ability. He runs down blind alleys and gets by merely by his physique. Won't cut it at a decent level I'm afraid.
crazier things have happened then him turn out to learn and move up, but agreed, can't see it happening, anyway, back to Wilson
He's only 17 TBF. He still has a few years of coaching before he's even going to be considered for first team action. It's only fair to say I'm judging him on reports and highlights so I could be wrong.
Janko impressed enough in his own age group to move up and has done a good job at both right-back and full back, has not once been found wanting at either position. You can't do that without being an inteliigent player, end product will come with him.
In the words of Tom Hanks, "WILLLLLSOOOONNNNNNNN"
He looks brilliant. I'd heard rave reviews from the U18s and the few times I've seen him for the U21s he's looked special. Didn't see the Wolves game but those finishes above are fantastic, I'm most impressed by his second goal. The left foot touch, right foot finish,
He looks brilliant. I'd heard rave reviews from the U18s and the few times I've seen him for the U21s he's looked special. Didn't see the Wolves game but those finishes above are fantastic, I'm most impressed by his second goal. The left foot touch, right foot finish,
Even if you dont think the loans have helped, they've helped in other ways in terms of realising the expectations of playing in a first team and closing the huge gap between reserve and premier league football. Moyes isnt going to be bringing on an 18 year old kid with no first team experience if he needs a goal. He'll want Hernandez until he has that experience and can be counted on. Sometimes we give a kid a couple of games to give him a taste of the first team, then send them off on loan for a season to come back ready to be dependable.
He seem's to have a Aguero/Suarez like low balance and dribbling ability which is rare in many players. Can turn and run at good speed which is so hard to defend.
He certainly seem's promising anyway, those 3 goals are all very different but good in their own way.
He certainly seem's promising anyway, those 3 goals are all very different but good in their own way.
For every Beckham etc there will always be a Giggs. I don't think it's a problem at all. There's nothing to question about Wilsons personality. The lad gets kicked and carrys on. Just like Adnan. The only question is can he do it at a higher level with a big crowd? Sometimes you have to give players a chance when the irons hot else you lose them. Look at Keane now, how does he feel? He's not even getting a mention. I'm convinced he'll be back to his best next season but for me let's just give them games. Wilsons personality seems absolutely fine.
Now when I say games, I think training with the first team and looking to feature in 8-10 games here would be of more benefit then at any other club. You can be a star at any other club but it's different here. You need time to bed in and I think in the long term we would benefit looking after our own at times.
This is a kid who even says in an interview he's training before it starts and after training. It sounds to me, his heads screwed on and the talent is there. There's no need to rush him but no need to loan him out either.
Its different for strikers. Sure, Giggs and Januzaj can come on and just run at players and pass the ball around - strikers are expected to come on and score. We loaned out Welbeck, Keane, Henriquez and the rest and we'll loan out Wilson.
I don't know, I think there is a strong chance he'll get loaned out, but I think there's also a good chance he'll be given a shot the way Januzaj was. He's something else, I can definitely see Moyes wanting to see him in the first team if he continues with current tactics that see us playing more of a 442 than a 4231.
But this would be bad news for Chicharito, and if Moyes is really serious that Cheech is in his plans then surely there's no room for Wilson other than cup competitions and the odd relegation team.
How about a nice 424? Welbeck - Wilson - Rooney - Persie
But this would be bad news for Chicharito, and if Moyes is really serious that Cheech is in his plans then surely there's no room for Wilson other than cup competitions and the odd relegation team.
How about a nice 424? Welbeck - Wilson - Rooney - Persie
we're forgetting about Will Keane. Wilson has at least another year at this level. much to learn.
You cant really see it properly in the gif or video but the way he pulled his foot across the ball for the first goal is fantastic its similar to the Ronaldo way of striking the ball it almost stuns the ball and keeps it from spinning. Great technique
I have to say that Wilson impresses me just a bit more than Will at the same age. Considering Will still hasn't gotten back to his best I'm not really sure who is better right now.
The general hope with Keane, even before his injury, was that he might became a decent squad option. With Wilson he just seems to have that little bit extra, enough for him to become a top striker.
He is already a beast in the U21s why should he spend another year there? Look at other top players around the country like Chalobah, Hughes, Grealish, JWP or even Welbeck or Wilshere at that age. All making first team appearances at home club or out on loan. Wilson has the quality to be as good, if not better than some of these. Will Keane or not we shouldn't be holding Wilson back. The rest of this season is enough reserve football for Wilson imo. Going by transfermarkt he has got a goal every 90 minutes in the reserves and every 108 minutes in the Uefa Youth League.
I read on here a month or two back on here that he is already training with the first team. With the world cup he should be going on the tour for sure. Assess from there what to do with him, either play him in cup matches and a bit in Europa League or get him out on loan from the start. Even if it is League 1, or a second division side in Spain or Germany he should be playing proper first team football. We need to stop keeping players in the reserves too long. Get them out and playing first team football at 18-19.
think Wilson based on what many have said should be in the squad. So what he is 18 -19....if he is good enough.
I agree with Lime Rick.
I think Wilson is a far better athlete than Keane but Kenane a bit more finesse about him. Keane's touch looks a bit better at that age.
It would be good to see him go on tour with the squad next season. With the World Cup players having an extended break, we will have a large touring squad, makes sense to bring him.
The first finish was quality.
I don't get to watch as many reserve and youth games these days.
I'm guessing he's more than just a pacey guy that can finish. The kind that does well at this level but gets found out easily.
I don't get to watch as many reserve and youth games these days.
I'm guessing he's more than just a pacey guy that can finish. The kind that does well at this level but gets found out easily.
Keane could be a great player too. He's technically up there but needs to get back to his best. If we took both on pre season, it'd be a major lift for both players.
With World Cup this summer I expect all our senior strikers to be there so they'll miss the first couple games of pre-season. That could mean a chance for James Wilson on tour but I think England are playing in an under-19 tournament so depending how far they go he may miss it. But hopefully he does go on tour. I would love to see him in first team action and there will definitely be space for him.
Possibly Will Keane, Henriquez and James Wilson for the first part of the tour?
Possibly Will Keane, Henriquez and James Wilson for the first part of the tour?
I like the logic of this and, let's hope, the opportunity of seeing these guys pre-season would be fantastic. I think Moyes is definately the right man with regard to bringing youngsters on and introducing them into the fold. Fingers crossed it works out for some of these guys.
Could Keane and Wilson form a partnership? Or are they too similar? Not making any assumptions, I just genuinely don't know.
They don't seem similar at all really.
I see far more in Wilson than Keane pre-injury. Reminds me of Campbell and Welbeck. Campbell was on loan and doing well for himself but we had the younger more promising Welbeck coming through and wouldn't be able to keep both and integrate them. Then Macheda popped up as well. I think we'll decide longterm that Wilson is the better prospect and Will Keane will find a good move to a premier league team and be a good striker in this division.
Its really really hard to make it as a young striker coming through the age groups at United with only Welbeck really making it at all recently, and even he doesn't get many games up front. Thats why its obvious we'll loan Wilson out, let him stand on his own two feet in the championship before he's asked to compete with the likes of Hernandez.
Its really really hard to make it as a young striker coming through the age groups at United with only Welbeck really making it at all recently, and even he doesn't get many games up front. Thats why its obvious we'll loan Wilson out, let him stand on his own two feet in the championship before he's asked to compete with the likes of Hernandez.
Assuming Hernandez will be around to compete with. Which I doubt.
Imo it's possible that we will lose both RvP and Chicharito in the summer, which would leave a big gap in the squad for a young striker (?) to fill. If Wilson or Keane are considered good enough, there might be a place for them.
Both are lethal finishers, that's certainly the first thing I noticed about Will Keane. But then he's also been out for what, almost two years? Back then it was really rare to find a stream of an U18 or U21 game, so mostly all I ever saw was highlights.
But you could see his obvious class, he's a heady player, excellent balance and control, takes his time in the box to pick the right spot, and he'd be on the score sheet more often than not. A good sense of where to be in the box to finish poacher goals, because that's been a big part of his scoring output.
Wilson is also quite good in the box, but more of his goals would remind you of van Persie, a quick accurate touch in the box to take the ball away from the defender and then a powerful accurate finish, as evidenced by the videos above. But he'll also take the ball at the midline and run past half the opposition, then around the keeper and tap it in.
It's easy to get a bit overexcited about youth prospects, especially considering how few make it to first XI regulars, but I thought Keane had the tools to become one of 4 strikers and have a role like Welbeck or Chicharito. But he's been unable to progress thanks to an extremely long injury delay, and I haven't seen him back to his best yet either. You just never know with injuries, and such a delay at such a crucial time in a player's career is a serious challenge.
They wouldn't really be optimal as a partnership, both are more finishers, I'd want someone who was more of a facilitator to partner a finisher.
if anything, he could follow the path of Chuba Akpom of Arsenal, but given his age (17) - calls for first team inclusion and rushing his progress isn't what's needed. temper the excitement and allow for a more natural path to open up.
other factors include his size/weight as compared to those older than him, the general direction and relative "instability" of the club and how that all backs into his progression as a player.
not saying he's not a talent or that he shouldn't go on a club tour, but look at a Lingard or Michael Keane. it's a different, subjective, view on how to promote and nurture talent.
other factors include his size/weight as compared to those older than him, the general direction and relative "instability" of the club and how that all backs into his progression as a player.
not saying he's not a talent or that he shouldn't go on a club tour, but look at a Lingard or Michael Keane. it's a different, subjective, view on how to promote and nurture talent.
I would expect them to give him a similar path to Welbeck.