Go back and read my first post. Where did I say 2? Its you who is trying very hard to polish the very average player that james is. Anyhow ive said enough, at the end of the summer we shall see. If he moves to one of the big premier league clubs or for more than 40 gbp i will issue a mea culpa. If he moves to Italy or France for 35 to 40 euros or less which is quite possible if you ask me i will be expecting one from you. Haha to think about it maybe he can't even get a move because no one wants to pay his wage demands and they come out and say hes committed to madrid. Of course jorge mendes shill as you are you may just move on to polishing renato sanches.
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You are yet to provide any proof in support of your claims.
You are free to think James is average and there are several others in the world who think otherwise, with the latter group being much larger. He was deemed talented enough for Monaco to pay €45m for him and Madrid to pay €80m a year later. You on the other hand must be more knowledgeable than those club officials. But on second thought its not surprising since you think we should buy Barkley.
What anyone posts on this forum has almost zero bearing on what price or club any of these player end up in, so accusing me of being a Mendes shill is simply asinine.
We were tripping over ourselves to sign him in 2014 and now because he cant displace Ronaldo he is suddenly shit??? He could be an answer to our right side problems.
You only have to see his goal against Barca to know this guy is a real footballer not just to able play but able read the play. His movement was amazing. He just does not fit Real for what ever reason. If we could get him it would be a coup, I think him and Morata, who is in reality a much bigger risk. Would be good business for us should DDG go the other way. Yes i'd like Sanchez or Ronaldo or Bale or Naymar but these look unlikely. Hamez is a top player who we could realisticly get.
I though Griezmann was the answer, but you dont need me to tell you that aint happening. With Tony Rash Mhiki Pogs and Mata, Hamez and Morata completes the set nicely(assuming Morata can settle here) only leaving a centre mid and a top center back needed. And a replacement keeper of course.
I wouldn't be knocking him and in no way do i think he would be a bad signing. I would comfortably put him in the same bracket as Hazard and Suarez a tier below Ronaldo and messi. A good run of games should prove that too he has 28 goals in 78 games without a consisitant run in the team for all that time. You cant blame him for wanting to play.
Who do we have thats better than that?
You only have to see his goal against Barca to know this guy is a real footballer not just to able play but able read the play. His movement was amazing. He just does not fit Real for what ever reason. If we could get him it would be a coup, I think him and Morata, who is in reality a much bigger risk. Would be good business for us should DDG go the other way. Yes i'd like Sanchez or Ronaldo or Bale or Naymar but these look unlikely. Hamez is a top player who we could realisticly get.
I though Griezmann was the answer, but you dont need me to tell you that aint happening. With Tony Rash Mhiki Pogs and Mata, Hamez and Morata completes the set nicely(assuming Morata can settle here) only leaving a centre mid and a top center back needed. And a replacement keeper of course.
I wouldn't be knocking him and in no way do i think he would be a bad signing. I would comfortably put him in the same bracket as Hazard and Suarez a tier below Ronaldo and messi. A good run of games should prove that too he has 28 goals in 78 games without a consisitant run in the team for all that time. You cant blame him for wanting to play.
Who do we have thats better than that?
Good you managed to find all the posts saying 2 so why did you keep accusing me of saying real wanted to sell him 3 seasons ago? Are you going to apologise now? Also enough about the past, football is in the present, real made a mistake when they signed him and now regret it. Its understandable though, its hard to translate the performance of a player in a weak league to a better one.
I think we will buy barkley because if you look at the squad profile we need homegrown players and he is one of the few usable homegrown players at a good age that is available given he has a season left on contract.
I also don't know where you got the stats that a majority think he is a good player given the very redcafe poll has more than 50% not wanting us to sign him and only 32% wanting us to. Have you perhaps commissioned your own poll or research? Please do share.
During moyes's season united actually had social media agencies trying to maintain support for him on twitter and other forms of social media. The caf is the biggest United forum and you'll be surprised how many journalists actually lurk here perhaps for inspiration for fictional stories and perhaps to get a feel of the ground sentiment. It thus is likely one of the places they operate.
Given a player signing is as much about image and how marketable a player is, especially for star names, these days most players have social media and pr consultants too. Of course im writing this for the benefit of other readers, you probably already know this given how hard you're working .
Can't see why so many people are negative about signing James. He has already been bought for near world record transfer fees twice, and he was one of the best performing players for Real Madrid in his first season at the club. He was the top scorer of the 2014 World Cup, and was named one of the top 11 players in the tournament. On top of these achievements, he is still only 25 years old and has developed and become a better player than ever before.
Yes, he has struggled to get regular game time this season, but look at the quality of the players he is competing against. We are talking about a team where none of our outfield players would have made it into their starting lineup. Even Pogba would not have make his way into that team at an instant. If we bring in James, he would be our best attacking player for sure. He would even be a key player for Real if they had a more defensively balanced duo in their central midfield and played James as a number 10 in a 4231.
Yes, he has struggled to get regular game time this season, but look at the quality of the players he is competing against. We are talking about a team where none of our outfield players would have made it into their starting lineup. Even Pogba would not have make his way into that team at an instant. If we bring in James, he would be our best attacking player for sure. He would even be a key player for Real if they had a more defensively balanced duo in their central midfield and played James as a number 10 in a 4231.
Don't waste your time my friend. This guy is beyond clueless and will have his mouth shut by James, whether that's at United or somewhere else.
James is a World Class player and Zizous treatment won't make him worse as a player.
Also, with the way things are starting to pan out... I certainly hope we do sign him as he's looking each day as the best option we have to get a hand on another young world class player.
Seems like the type of player that would end up in Italy or at Arsenal.
I wasn't commenting on his ability,just making a completelyunfounded and baseless comment on nothing but a feeling.
You can't really judge Barca\Real players that leave as rejects given how so many are successful elsewhere.
Ok, so you want us to sign a #10 for more than 50 million and then play him on the wings? Or do you want Jose to use the 4-2-3-1 and play Pogba in the wrong position? We already have 2 #10s who play as wingers.
James is probably not a useless player, but I think he is really not what we need right now, at least not to be a regular starter with the squad and manager we have, if we are truly hoping to reclaim the league title and have a decent CL run.
The difference being that AdM lit up his previous Champions' League finals, meanwhile James didn't even find a place on the bench at the finals. Incomparable. I can take a castoff who was an important player the previous season but they have just bought another (better) player to replace so they would rather get him off their books, not one whom they clearly have very little need for since over a season.
Exactly, that was 2014. This is 2017 and if in three seasons he hasn't been able to hold down a regular spot at Madrid for purely footballing reasons, then we should move on, just like Real themselves seem to have done.
And no, he can't be the answer to our right side problems. If we are signing James, it should be to play him as a number 10, otherwise you and I will be complaining next season at the fact that he is flopping at United simply because he isn't being played at his best position. We have had enough bad experiences these past seasons with putting players out of position, it's about time we play everyone where they have the best chance to flourish.
If he has a become a better player than he was when he was signed then he wouldn't be sitting in the stands when healthy and not under suspension for the CL finals. I don't actually see how a player can improve when he doesn't play often, anyway. So many seem to still be stuck in 2014 with regards to James.
The last sentence is just the point: he can be a key player as number 10 in a 4-2-3-1 which we will probably not see a lot at United next season, so why bother?
Well, good for him and them if he goes to another club and plays brilliantly there. I'll have no regrets if they have a system which is different from ours and works for him. I stand by the bolded part and honestly believe he wouldn't fit in what I hope and think will be our system next season for majority of games.
The difference being that AdM lit up his previous Champions' League finals, meanwhile James didn't even find a place on the bench at the finals. Incomparable. I can take a castoff who was an important player the previous season but they have just bought another (better) player to replace so they would rather get him off their books, not one whom they clearly have very little need for since over a season.
Exactly, that was 2014. This is 2017 and if in three seasons he hasn't been able to hold down a regular spot at Madrid for purely footballing reasons, then we should move on, just like Real themselves seem to have done.
And no, he can't be the answer to our right side problems. If we are signing James, it should be to play him as a number 10, otherwise you and I will be complaining next season at the fact that he is flopping at United simply because he isn't being played at his best position. We have had enough bad experiences these past seasons with putting players out of position, it's about time we play everyone where they have the best chance to flourish.
If he has a become a better player than he was when he was signed then he wouldn't be sitting in the stands when healthy and not under suspension for the CL finals. I don't actually see how a player can improve when he doesn't play often, anyway. So many seem to still be stuck in 2014 with regards to James.
The last sentence is just the point: he can be a key player as number 10 in a 4-2-3-1 which we will probably not see a lot at United next season, so why bother?
Well, good for him and them if he goes to another club and plays brilliantly there. I'll have no regrets if they have a system which is different from ours and works for him. I stand by the bolded part and honestly believe he wouldn't fit in what I hope and think will be our system next season for majority of games.
We've used a 4-2-3-1 in the majority of league games this year; with Pogba playing as a central midfielder (his natural position). The only change would be that we'd have a world class ten with James.
Not bothered what position they play. I'm just making the point that just because a player can't get in a team doesn't necessarily make him a bad player or a 'reject', which is the fashionable term these days. Would you class Morata and Martial as rejects also?? There's no crime in having strength in depth which is what we need. A lot of our players are simply just not good enough and if you seriously think that having Rodriguez would not improve our squad (wherever he plays, I don't care) then heaven help us!
According to many (not me) his 'natural' position is on the left side of a 3 man midfield...ive never seen a player boxed into such a specific role just because it is what he played at his first club. Im starting to wonder what all the fuss is about Pogba if he is so limited as a CM
Pogba can play in a 2 and 3-man midfield because he is a world class CM that can go from box-to-box. As we have seen this season, Pogba when he is given the responsibility in a 2-man midfield has been one of our best players.
If we get a very good #10 in Rodriguez then he will lift some of the creative burden off of Pogba so he can concentrate more on being a CM.
Find this hilarious as wellAccording to many (not me) his 'natural' position is on the left side of a 3 man midfield...ive never seen a player boxed into such a specific role just because it is what he played at his first club. Im starting to wonder what all the fuss is about Pogba if he is so limited as a CM
Pogba can play in a 2 and 3-man midfield because he is a world class CM that can go from box-to-box. As we have seen this season, Pogba when he is given the responsibility in a 2-man midfield has been one of our best players.
If we get a very good #10 in Rodriguez then he will lift some of the creative burden off of Pogba so he can concentrate more on being a CM.
The reason that he wasn't on the bench for the CL final is obviously that he was already on his way out of the club. Of course James has become a better player during the last 3 years. He is a professional footballer that has been training about 30 hours every week, how on earth would he not be developing after 30*52*3 = 4680 hours of training? His mentality would also have been strengthened after going through a difficult period in Madrid. So many seem to be stuck in the 2016/17 season, what matters is what is going to happen in the 2017/18 season.
Why don't you think that we will play 4231 next season? We have mostly been using this formation this season, and it has been Mourinho's preferred formation for most of his managerial career. We will probably play 433 against the biggest teams next season, but I see us playing 4231 in 8 out of 10 games. The problem with most football fans is that they can't remember anything that isn't right in front of them. We will not be playing 433 every game just because we used that formation in our last game against Ajax, and James is not a bad footballer just because he wasn't in the squad for the CL final.
I think you've hit the nail on the head there - at the moment Pogba is sort of trying to do both roles - no.8 and no.10 all by himself, which means that he is spreading himself too thinly and not doing either as well as he couldAccording to many (not me) his 'natural' position is on the left side of a 3 man midfield...ive never seen a player boxed into such a specific role just because it is what he played at his first club. Im starting to wonder what all the fuss is about Pogba if he is so limited as a CM
Pogba can play in a 2 and 3-man midfield because he is a world class CM that can go from box-to-box. As we have seen this season, Pogba when he is given the responsibility in a 2-man midfield has been one of our best players.
If we get a very good #10 in Rodriguez then he will lift some of the creative burden off of Pogba so he can concentrate more on being a CM.
According to many (not me) his 'natural' position is on the left side of a 3 man midfield...ive never seen a player boxed into such a specific role just because it is what he played at his first club. Im starting to wonder what all the fuss is about Pogba if he is so limited as a CM
Pogba can play in a 2 and 3-man midfield because he is a world class CM that can go from box-to-box. As we have seen this season, Pogba when he is given the responsibility in a 2-man midfield has been one of our best players.
If we get a very good #10 in Rodriguez then he will lift some of the creative burden off of Pogba so he can concentrate more on being a CM.
Amen - couldn't agree more!
The irony is, whether we play 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 Pogba's role is almost exactly the same.
Aww will you stop.
He is not good enough because he can't displace, what is for me the best player the world has ever seen, or Bale who is too expensive to sit on the bench for Perez orders. Come on. Does this sound like purely footballing reasons? Remember the fans rounding on Bale because they wanted Hamez in. I personally rate him in the same bracket as a Bale or Hazard type. He'd be a footballing God here if he clicked which he could very easily do if he puts the effort in.
As for our No.10, we dont play with an actual number 10. We have an attacking 3 or 2 behind the striker. So unless you saying we play with 3 No.10 type players of which he'd fit perfect. Im not sure what you are on about. I mean the Jess position where he could dovetail with Mata, Mhiki and Pogs. Or that type of position. And id hope it would be more fluid that what we have shown this season.
I think you mean the center of the 3 but if you had Rash/Hamez/Mhiki in them attacking positions. I can see him in them inside right and left positions. I'd be asking for a little more imagination, on the ball, than Rash/Tony M only hugging the left and Mhiki/Mata Hugging the right touch line. I think Hamez would give us the quality and freedom to be more expansive than the way we play now. You seem to think because he is not in Zidane's thoughts he is a bad player.
Are you really saying he is worse than Mata Lingard Rash and Tony M in that attacking 3? The latter 2 being more number 9s TBF. Which of our players has scored 28 in 77 league games? Its no bad return for anybody outside Messi, Ronaldo or a main striker.
Not being in the squad for the CL final doesn't mean he is a bad footballer, certainly, but it's an indication he is probably not the quality we need going forward. And no, Zidane wouldn't put one of his best assets in the stands for their greatest match of the season just because he is about to be transferred, I don't see why he would do that. He could have contributed to the game if he was that important, then be sold off thereafter, like Di Maria.
As a footballer you improve by playing more games, not by training. The most you achieve through training, if you don't have the chance to apply it often in a real match, is maintaining your skills at the same level. And even so, you can only maintain for so long.
Well, I honestly think (and hope) 4-3-3 is the way forward for United to challenge for the league title and have a decent run in Europe, regardless of winning the sub-par Europa this season.
It could be some problem with his mentality as well. Perhaps he's not getting on with the rest of the players in the squad. Not feeling at home etc. We all know that feeling of being in a shit group of people. Having a person like Ronaldo in the team who will criticize everything you do (unless he gets his goal as a results of what you do), is probably fecking annoying.
He's probably just a case of "not needed" type of player. They already have so many creative attacking players so it's just the chemistry among the players that need to be correct. I bet James would be better with less stars around him. I'm thinking about guys like Alexi Sanches, Di Maria, Robben, Van der Vaart, Sneijder, players who are all great when being involved on their own conditions and get to be more in the center of things where they don't need to work hard for other stars. RM cannot offer that if they have a great thing going. I think there's room for some creative players in Man Utd so we should look at our chances of getting him over.
He can't even displace Isco... oh wait, Isco displaced him instead! Now, that's the level of player I would rather have.
Well, my thoughts come from the standpoint that we will probably (hopefully) be going 4-3-3 next season. We want to play the players we have where we can get the best out of them, not flaunt them in any position and require that they adapt to a position where they don't feel most at ease. He is certainly not worse but neither Mata, nor Mhki, nor Martial, nor even Rash have flourished playing at the wing, so why bring in another another good centre-suited player to play him on the wing?
If you look at the Real Madrid bench for the CL final you will find a total of 7 players: Casilla, Danilo, Nacho, Kovacic, Bale, Asensio, Morata. They need to have a reserve goalkeeper, a couple of defender and a central midfielder if they get an injury or sending off during the game. This leaves James competing against Bale, Asensio and Morata. Bale is their most expensive player and his future in the club would have been ruined if he hadn't even been on the bench for this match. Asensio is a brilliant player, and is certainly going to be a star player for Real when the likes of Ronaldo and Benzema are finished at the top level. Zidane isn't stupid, of course he gives a player like that a taste of a CL final to prepare him for what he will face in the future at the club. That leaves Morata, who is a much more natural replacement for both Ronaldo and Benzema if they need a direct substitution for either of them than James. He was born and raised in Madrid as well, and would certainly have his hart in this game more than James who has been on his way out for a while now. All of this = James not on the bench.
Totally disagree about footballers mostly developing in matches. As a footballer myself, I would say that at least 90% of your development as a footballer comes through training. You need to play matches to develop your decision making and tactical smartness/awareness and to handle certain situations on field, but the rest is happening on the training field.
Our problem this season has been that we haven't been able to score at home in games we have been dominating. This problem is being solved by bringing in a creative goal threat like James, not by putting in another defensive midfielder and playing 433.
You think he really wants to play for us? He wants to leave Real and we might be the only team interested in him, so he has no option but to join us. He might leave as soon as some other team comes knocking. Yes, he would improve the squad but would he be happy if Jose doesn't start him in all the matches? What's the use of playing him on the wings if he is not a winger? It's like saying let's play Pogba as an ST just because he is a world class player. We mainly need a CB, DM, LW, ST and LB. Maybe a backup RW for Mkhi and a GK if DDG leaves. I know it's not my money but we can't spend 150 to 250 million every season.
Ok, So what ya thinking on the 433. Who, where?
What's the deal with this guy then? Are we heavily linked with him or is it just Sky Sports speculation?
That's non-sense, you can quite easily improve just through training, especially since one also simulates matches in training. It's just a matter of the quality of your training, meaning the intensity but also the attention to detail, to executing drills as well as you can, to pushing yourself past your own limits. If the Reports are true, James doesn't appear to be the type of guy to do that though.
Such odd logic, not wanting a player because they were displaced by another at a club which are top heavy in world class talent. James is easily an improvement over Lingard and Martial at the very least. I don't care if Isco, a player who Zidane probably prefers over Bale too, displaced James Rodriguez. James would still be a valuable asset here and we should be bidding for him given the levels we are linked with Perisic for.
There's just one assumption - that James can fit whatever system Jose is planning for us. If we went for Griezmann and failed I think that position could be a vacancy for a James to fill.
He wants out and we are not getting Griezmann. They want DDG and we have cash to burn. And most importantly Real are looking to shift him on and we were after him before he went to Real.
So in many ways its a good fit. At least in theory.
Wouldn't mind Varane plus James plus Morata in exchange. Or at least 2 of the 3 plus cash.
Hmm.
These exchange deals never actually happen though (well, only in computer games.)
I can think of one in recent times. Ashley Cole to Chelsea plus Gallas going the other way.
These exchange deals never actually happen though (well, only in computer games.)
I can think of one in recent times. Ashley Cole to Chelsea plus Gallas going the other way.
Eto o for zlatan was a big one.
Hes an upgrade over Mata but the question is are we in a rush to upgrade him for the price quoted when we have other gaps to fill? Id definitely take him because the position our club is in we are starved of world class talent so any top player is welcome in my opinion.
Exchange deals might not happen very often, but this could be a situation where it suits both clubs very well. Even if it's just a paper exercise.
Exchange? Unless DDG asks to go, he is not for sale. Buy them for cash. Then we'll talk about DDG.
If they want DDG, 10M a year for 10 years is a fair valuation of the best keeper in the world. I know, as do you 100M is never going to be paid. But feck it if they want him that badly lets test them, no fax machines, no exchanges, cold hard cash. Be sure they'd do it to us and smile all the while. Sayin its just business. They will say 50M and we'll probably meet around 65-75M. Or they will run away in disgust.
I think if the buys are good this summer DDG could be swayed into signing a new deal.
The best multiple role creative playmaker out there that is available to buy. Its laughable some think him not good enough for us
How is DDG, a goal keeper worth more then James?
If they both leave I'm sure we'll get more for James (or Morata) alone then what we'll pay for DDG.
Maybe if he was young as Donnarumma where you're buying a keepeer for the next decade, but DDG will be 27 after the start of the season. Getting 5 seasons out of him is realistic expectation. He's 50 mil £ player tops.
If they both leave I'm sure we'll get more for James (or Morata) alone then what we'll pay for DDG.
Maybe if he was young as Donnarumma where you're buying a keepeer for the next decade, but DDG will be 27 after the start of the season. Getting 5 seasons out of him is realistic expectation. He's 50 mil £ player tops.
Because he is top 3, arguably the best keeper in the world.
James isn't even top 3 in his position at Madrid.
The big thing about both deals being manager when swap deals happened
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