If James comes to Ot, it really is more likely that Griezmann stays. Jose told he have first, second and third options. I could imagine that James is second. And then little ot but what is this Keane thing? I dont see reason to buy Keane if we already have Smalling, Jones and Rojo. We may need CB, but if we are going to spend money, he should be bigger name (and better player) than Keane, imo.
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If James comes to Ot, it really is more likely that Griezmann stays. Jose told he have first, second and third options. I could imagine that James is second. And then little ot but what is this Keane thing? I dont see reason to buy Keane if we already have Smalling, Jones and Rojo. We may need CB, but if we are going to spend money, he should be bigger name (and better player) than Keane, imo.
James would improve us a ridiculous amount. I'd venture he'd be our best player almost instantly. Our whole forward line is rubbish. He's miles ahead of Mata, Micky or Rooney as a no.10. And can also play right wing. He's creative, can dribble, superb technically, excellent free kick, and can shoot from distance. People underestimate how important that last part is when unlocking teams that park the bus.
I'm 100% behind this signing if he comes.
I'm 100% behind this signing if he comes.
When you are shown to have no point and are simply expressing an inane obsession, you try to switch to a different abstract line of criticism.
A 4 time ballon dor who scores 50 plus goals a season from the wings is no comparison to a 19 year old rashford or a 20 year old martial who's just learning the game. Di marias abilities with the ball is way more effective than an attacking midfeilder like Mkh who's delivery is way better than mkh. A no 9 like benzema ability in comparison with a rashford or a player who has not even come here yet?
Do you really think your 4231 with James can even.score 100 goals in this league with bus parking teams let alone 121?
Do you even think the transition from defense to attack will be as faster as with the likes of ronalo and do maria on the wing? Marcelo a top lb compared to a new lb who has not even.arrived yet ?
First it was "4-2-3-1 wont make us title contenders" but you were shown teams that Mourinho has coached to titles and you couldnt rebut it
Quickly you switched to " we need work horses" but you were shown that we have the players for the system and you couldnt list where the work horses were needed.
Now it is "the players are not good enough" but it is ironic that you are the one against buying a player that is better than the ones we have in that position cos in your delusion Mourinho doesnt know what he is doing. (BTW the Inter and Chelsea team were not star studded either and they won titles)
Its obvious you have little knowledge of what kind of player James is, and know even less about basic elements of football. Seems all you have in your head is a deluded vision of yourself in which you are more knowledgeable about the abilities of players and their suitability in formations, than one of the best coaches this side of the millennia.
As long as Mourinho remains coach at United, the team will play 4-2-3-1 in most games, Pogba will play in a dual pivot with a DM, there will be a #10 behind the striker, there will be inverted wingers on the flanks, and the team will be successful. If you have a problem with that, I advise you stop watching United games till Mourinho leaves to save yourself the pain cos nothing you do or say will change this outcome.
For those that have concerns about James character or quality, Madrid fans are notorious for their high expectations and low tolerance for players deemed not good enough for the club (they booed even CR7 at times).
That James, after only 3 seasons, got a standing ovation in what was likely his last match at the Bernabeau, speaks to what kind of player he has been at the club.
That James, after only 3 seasons, got a standing ovation in what was likely his last match at the Bernabeau, speaks to what kind of player he has been at the club.
The poll results are there in front out in the open, I am not alone in fact in majority here. It's simple tactics your failing to understand here.
It's pointless to rumble on and on and on.
Also a simple basic stat of this season, all the games we have lost this season in the league and fa cup semifinal loss after the red card came in a 2 man midfeild in a 4231 where our midfeild were totally dominated and were forced to sit back without the ball, there is enough evidence we are not a defensive block in midfeild to play in a 4231 in current set of midfeilders and this won't change even next season.
Different people dont want James for different reasons - some may think he is not good enough, some may think he will be expensive, some may want another player, and some are just sentimental about buying from Madrid. It would be pure hubris on your part to think that all those people agreed with you.
Also, nobody is asking the current squad to play 4-2-3-1, as we dont have the quality and full complement of players to do so. In fact, the formation was the least of our problems this seasons given the missed scoring opportunities and injuries. But that does not preclude the team from playing 4-2-3-1 in the future and is also why the manager is looking to acquire players that would fit that system. Are you saying we cannot acquire players to address any perceived deficiency or you are recommending we pick a formation based on the current crop of players and only buy players that fit into that system going forward?
Either you are colombian too like James or with love with the player because you are overrating him too much, he has done nothing since the world cup.
He has done nothing but was voted best midfielder in la liga for 2015? To give some context, previous winners include Xavi, Iniesta, Modric and Xabi Alonso.
I am not Colombian and definitely not a big fan, but (like I said before), I respect quality players even if they are cvnts like Xavi. James is a quality player that is better than all our current options.
There's a section of our fanbase that has become obsessed with new signings being incredibly fast. I don't understand it.
Rashford, Lingard and Mkhitaryan are our front three most weeks and despite all being fast it's just not good. We need technical ability more than anything and James Rodriguez has it in bundles.
Rashford, Lingard and Mkhitaryan are our front three most weeks and despite all being fast it's just not good. We need technical ability more than anything and James Rodriguez has it in bundles.
That poll at the top speaks for itself. I doubt many will be excited if he comes to United
I think CAF have obsession with pace. Liverpool plays with Lallana, Coutinho, Mane, Firmino. Only Mane has raw pace but they play very quick game because players make decisions quickly and move the ball quickly. Same with Spurs, they play with Kane, Alli, Eriksen who doesn't have raw pace (they have decent pace) but they place quick passing game.
It's good to have pace in the team but useless if the players can't release the ball quickly.
There are some bat shit formations banding about in this thread. He's a No.10. Not a central midfielder. He will only play in one of 2 positions - No.10 or wide.
That said, I still think this is horse shit.
That said, I still think this is horse shit.
He was very good in Ancelotti's second season, IIRC he played in midfield 3 and his work rate was very good.
Am I the only one who is getting a bit excited by this transfer (if at all it happens)? Inner muppet is taking all the sense out of me. Of all the good points posted here about him not required, he brings a bit of excitement when the fancy lineups are quoted.
anyways, very good posts here, but we are being too meticulous when it comes to pogba. its like, we cant play a #10 because of pogba.. we cant do this and that.. same was being discussed about griezmann. Its certain we need better creative players and Jose relies a bit less on the flanks, so i could smell some sense in this deal.
anyways, very good posts here, but we are being too meticulous when it comes to pogba. its like, we cant play a #10 because of pogba.. we cant do this and that.. same was being discussed about griezmann. Its certain we need better creative players and Jose relies a bit less on the flanks, so i could smell some sense in this deal.
Him and Griezmann play in (roughly) the same position behind the striker. If Griezmann is needed, it would be illogical to say that James is not. Now obviously we don't need both, but if we can only get one, there isn't THAT much between them (certainly not the amount that some people on here seem to believe). I can't for the life of me understand why people wouldn't support his purchase. He'd be our best 10 by a country mile, assuming that's our formation of choice moving forward. Of course I wouldn't want him shifted out on the wing, we can do better (and have better... Martial and Mkhi would be preferable on the wing to James), but if he started behind the striker, he'd be superb. I've thought he was top class since Porto, it's hardly an indictment on him that he can't crack the Madrid starting XI. He's performed when called upon for Madrid, too.
Could well be the case, there's no need for so many getting uptight about it, perhaps the club decided he's not worth the money or his club won't sell or perhaps he's going somewhere else.
I think the biggest negative is the potential for having to listen to Ian Darke saying "Hamez".
I think everyone is getting over excited, at the moment it's pure speculation.
Jose normally gets his transfers right, not always but more times than not. I think James would be an upgrade to what we have personally. United are well behind Real at the moment, so naming James as behind x,y,z is quite silly because all our players would be behind them as well.
As long as James isn't the 'Big' signing of the summer for us, I have no real problems if this transfer does happen. But either way it's far from the end of the world.
Jose normally gets his transfers right, not always but more times than not. I think James would be an upgrade to what we have personally. United are well behind Real at the moment, so naming James as behind x,y,z is quite silly because all our players would be behind them as well.
As long as James isn't the 'Big' signing of the summer for us, I have no real problems if this transfer does happen. But either way it's far from the end of the world.
This isn't just a case of should we go for him, IMO he would be a positive addition to the team. There is a distinct lack of quality in the final third, and he should be the type of player that could break down teams that park the bus, turning some draws into victories. He has the potential of being the best AM or RW at united and area which sits somewhere between barely acceptable and average.
The bigger question is price, RM over paid for him and now want to recoup some of that fee, but what they paid has no bearing on his current price. Anything sub 40m would be a bargain. Above 60m and its overpaying.
The bigger question is price, RM over paid for him and now want to recoup some of that fee, but what they paid has no bearing on his current price. Anything sub 40m would be a bargain. Above 60m and its overpaying.
That or the forum collectively losing it's shit every time he doesn't score a hat trick despite Mourinho playing him as a makeshift left wingback.
Why is this thread still a thing?
Is this still all based off of some ridiculous Columbian radio? Thought this would have died by now without a semi reliable source backing it up
Is this still all based off of some ridiculous Columbian radio? Thought this would have died by now without a semi reliable source backing it up
Can we PLEASE dump this notion that because Madrid does not want a player or a player doesn't do well there, therefore the player is automatically not good enough for Manchester United????
Let's lay this to rest and focus on other arguments for or against James Rodriguez.
Here's a short list of players Madrid gave up who became sensational in their new clubs:
* Samuel Eto'o
* Juan Mata
* Esteban Cambiasso
* Claude Makalele
* Wesley Sneijder
* Arjen Robben
* Walter Samuel
* Juanfran
* Alvaro Negredo
Whatever reasons we give for not wanting James at United, it shouldn't merely be because he has been a Madrid 'flop' or 'reject'. Many great players have been there before.
Let's lay this to rest and focus on other arguments for or against James Rodriguez.
Here's a short list of players Madrid gave up who became sensational in their new clubs:
* Samuel Eto'o
* Juan Mata
* Esteban Cambiasso
* Claude Makalele
* Wesley Sneijder
* Arjen Robben
* Walter Samuel
* Juanfran
* Alvaro Negredo
Whatever reasons we give for not wanting James at United, it shouldn't merely be because he has been a Madrid 'flop' or 'reject'. Many great players have been there before.
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Yeah, ive pretty much changed my mind on him as well. I did post before that he'd be a luxury, but after this season in front of goal i have changed my mind on him. Massive upgrade on Rooney, Lingard, end of story.
Our front three, without Ibra, is pretty quick on their feet, especially if it's Martial, Rashford and Miki. However, as you say, our play is slow and we don't move around quickly. Part of the problem is our midfield has been quite stationary and there is simply too much distance between our defenders and our attack, stretching our midfield thin. Look at Spurs yesterday and how they trusted their two centre backs to handle our one striker. Their fullbacks stayed much higher up the pitch thus allowing more people in midfield and the advanced players to focus on attacking.
I do think we need better options on the right, and we need someone who can cause havoc on his own. I'd gladly have Zaha over Lingard for instance.
Yes, I am pretty sure that Jose wouldn't gamble on Griezmann leading the line for the whole season. After his comments about changes in transfer targets because of Zlatan's injury, its clear that we were going in for him for the supporting striker role. Fits the bill. Griezmann has always played alongside a striker, be it Torres, Gameiro or Correa.
TBH, i dont care about the work rate (James's), if he stays in the opposition's half and creates loads of chances, better for us. He can also finish. He is not Ozil who just walks around the pitch (even if he does, he produces magic against the parked buses). Yesterday we had nobody committed forward. We dont need everyone to work defensively.
All this, ofcourse if there is any material to these rumours.
Pretty crazy to think that so many aren't in favour of this. We can't be as silly as to just have a 4-3-3 in mind and try to only buy those players that would play just this. The 4-2-3-1 is an option and needs to be. To say that Pogba isn't suited to it is also silly. Pogba is very young and evolving. Also, we will need options. We'll need flexibility too. James is leagues better than any player we have that could play centrally (attacking) and can also put in a shift wide. Let's just see what we have in central midfield:
1. Mata: Excellent finisher though he is, he's proven to be lightweight and not ideally suited to this. Time after time under different managers. He gets shunted out wide for a reason and when he plays wide, we lose his main assets - finishing and through-balls unless he cuts in. James is far superior to Mata centrally. Look at his 2015 season under Ancelotti and can also put in a shift out wide. To say he isn't as good as Ronaldo out wide so shouldn't be with us is just absolute drivel.
2. Mkhitaryan: Tried out centrally and it didn't work. Plays better wide - though his form of late is such a concern
3. Lingard: What? Seriously? He's an option here?
4. Pogba: Jose tried this earlier this season. Anyone remember the result? I'll sum it up. Flopped so badly, we never saw that experimented with again even when it meant playing Rooney...which brings us to...
5. Rooney: Yeah, right
We aren't anywhere close to the level of Real Madrid right now. We should have no delusions of grandeur and the di Maria experience should not put us off. James is an excellent player and if Jose wants him, that seals it for me.
1. Mata: Excellent finisher though he is, he's proven to be lightweight and not ideally suited to this. Time after time under different managers. He gets shunted out wide for a reason and when he plays wide, we lose his main assets - finishing and through-balls unless he cuts in. James is far superior to Mata centrally. Look at his 2015 season under Ancelotti and can also put in a shift out wide. To say he isn't as good as Ronaldo out wide so shouldn't be with us is just absolute drivel.
2. Mkhitaryan: Tried out centrally and it didn't work. Plays better wide - though his form of late is such a concern
3. Lingard: What? Seriously? He's an option here?
4. Pogba: Jose tried this earlier this season. Anyone remember the result? I'll sum it up. Flopped so badly, we never saw that experimented with again even when it meant playing Rooney...which brings us to...
5. Rooney: Yeah, right
We aren't anywhere close to the level of Real Madrid right now. We should have no delusions of grandeur and the di Maria experience should not put us off. James is an excellent player and if Jose wants him, that seals it for me.
He's leaving Madrid.
Yeah, our passing or play is slow, so even with pacy players they won't chance to exploit that.
In the last few months I didn't like how our fullbacks played, Valencia is very conservative and Darmian rarely crosses the half way line.
I'm not sure whether it's issue with players or manager instructions. Like you said, maybe our players don't trust each other like Spurs do.
Just read some random Real Madrid forum last night at work and consensus seems to be that he have played quite well and that where ever he goes, that team will get very good player. They think this will be mistake from Real Madrid. And same time in here most of people think he's shite or just don't want him for a some other reason. He would be massive upgrade to Rooney or Lingard. He's talented player with world class potential, unlike Lingard. And i would say unlike Mata too.
I looked at their bench for the semi final last week and just thought they would all walk into our team. I haven't looked at their squad in detail but I would imagine their second string is much stronger than ours. On paper we have depth but then you look at it in more detail and you realise we don't in reality. There's no way we're buying players that Real or Bayern want to keep hold of because we're way behind them currently.
He's certainly leaving.
He was quite emotional when subbed off during their last home game against Sevilla. Made a point of clapping all corners of the stadium before coming off the pitch.
I think we need 2 attacking players but I would not go for James because I think this squad lacks pace so I think we should be looking at 2 players who can get u goals but also have pace and I don't think James has a lot of pace. The only players we have with some pace are Miki, Martial, Rashford and Lingard and he is not good enough anyway how he plays for us is a joke but that's another subject.
Your post is what I call 'painful truth'.
Spot on.
Reading posts here, I sometimes think that we are not exactly realistic about the quality of our squad.
AS reckons his value is around 50M Euros now. That would be quite a steal.
If true then its a great price, initially I thought no way to this for various reasons already debated here but as long as he not our main top signing then I'm all for it. We lack real quality and he has real quality which we need to start amassing in depth to be successful.
It doesn't matter whether James comes or not. The issue is Pogba. Why Mourinho bought him if he wanted to force him to completely change his game in order to become an another player.
He should have bought Pjanic or Fabregas. It would have been easier and cheaper.
Pogba in a 4231...what a waste !
He should have bought Pjanic or Fabregas. It would have been easier and cheaper.
Pogba in a 4231...what a waste !
Thing is they replaced them with even better players. Real Madrid is not stocking players. They want the very hottest and best ones. Players like Sneijder and Robben didn't really perform well at the club and Negredo is nowhere near their standard. That's the truth.
People turning their noses up at James when we have Fellaini, Rooney and Lingard regularly turning out for us. You couldn't make it up.
No one is telling we should keep Fellaini, Rooney and Lingard and not buy better players. Some fans are saying we don't need a No 10 when we already have Mata and Mkhi who can play in that position. I want Jose to spend money on key positions like DM, LW/RW, CB, maybe GK, LB/RB and ST instead of spending 50 to 60 million which will Real Madrid buy DDG from us cause they don't want to pay so much for a GK. I don't want us to get fleeced and keep making the same mistake of buying players and playing them in the wrong positions.
For Madrid that would be a steal, madrid don't want him, we don't really need him especially with so many other more important positions to fill. Anything more than 30-35mn euros is madrid robbing us just like they did with di maria. Best outcome would be we keep ddg madrid keep james.
What they paid Porto wasn't the true transfer fee. They bought him with Moutinho and Porto owed Sporting a percentage of any sell on fee for Moutinho so to get around this they sold Moutinho for less than he was actually worth and James for more. They were selling both to same team so they could do that. James wasn't even starting all the time for Porto (I know he was young).
James was a great player for Porto and Monaco. He was good in his first year at Madrid under Ancelotti but is unfavoured by Zidane. Despite being unfavoured by Zidane he has still given a solid contribution in the last two seasons as a squad player. Many good players leave Madrid because of the way the club is run, Higauin, Ozil, Di Maria etc.
I wouldn't say he was great. Like I said in the above post he didn't start all the time for Porto. As for Monaco he didn't exactly set the world alight in his final season there. He scored 9 and assisted 13 in the league. Maybe I'm being harsh but I'd expect more from a player worth what Real paid for him.
I'm not saying he wouldn't be an improvement on what we have already but considering we could potentially be getting Griezmann I don't see how he would fit in considering he is wasted anywhere except when played as a 10.
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