One match means nothing but Greenwood was more impressive in 20 minutes than Sancho was in 70 yesterday against Iceland
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Imagine some of the posters here were scouts, we’d literally sign nobody.
Pexbo.
Don’t know the name of the unlucky one though.
Ok mate fair enough. I’m personally not a massive fan of stats as a decider on a player. Stats are supplementary to the decision but not always the true reflection.
Players like Lukaku have brilliant stats wherever he goes and even at international level. But he clearly didn’t fit our style of football.
Players like David Silva show a lot less assists and goals than you would imagine. Even Paul Scholes had surprisingly low assists. But they were both two of the best ever in the premier league. They were involved in plays which led to others being able to produce assists and goals.
However, with Sancho I’ve honestly seen enough of him to know he would be an absolute superstar at Utd. He’s the perfect mould in every way in terms of him being one of the best solutions to our biggest problem for years. His style of play complements Martial and Rashford perfectly. His stats are just a confirmation that there is an end product to all the eye candy as well.
A lot of people yesterday came to the conclusion that he was garbage and not worth buying because of England’s performance (even though he was the best of a bad bunch). Similar how a lot of people started slating Mbappe for a poor performance in champions league. If a player doesn’t get 10 out of 10 every game he suddenly becomes worthless and fans on here don’t want him anymore.
My only reservation with Sancho is looking at the three players Chelsea have managed to get for the Hazard money.
That Sancho money could genuinely get us a CB, CDM and RW. Or CB, LB, RW.
That Sancho money could genuinely get us a CB, CDM and RW. Or CB, LB, RW.
Who?
Could you name a CB, LB (or CDM) and RW for a total price of £108M who would actually strengthen us?
2 goals 4 assists in 640 minutes. Not exactly the worst start either.
He probably could but they aren’t the quality we’re looking for.
People keep using this argument of “Why should we spend 120m on a Ferrari when we can buy a Fiesta, Mondeo and Skoda for the same money.” Non argument.
Didn’t see it. A lot of more sober comments in here today though. It’s an awful lot of money unless he’s utterly unplayable world class, from the get go.
I do actually see his point to a certain extent. All 3 positions is definitely a push, but Reguilon for the quoted 30 and Upamecano for 60 would certainly improve us.
What valuation did you place on Neymar after the Champions league final? And Mbappe?
£45 and a packet of crisps?
So many embarrassing posters in here being so reactionary over the England game. Did they even watch the game? Sancho was the best player on the pitch and only got hooked for Trent because muppet Walker got himself sent off. England are dross anyway with Southgate stealing a living. We have a ridiculous amount of talent and depth in the England squad right now and he makes us look Championship level.
No they can’t afford £100 million. It will depend entirely on if Liverpool sell a Mane or Salah Next summer. Each of those would fetch £100 million + which then makes a bid for Sancho very likely.
Could we afford to spend £250 million on Mbappe? No of course we couldn’t. But if we were to sell Pogba for say £120 million and Martial for £80 million the additional outlay then reduces to just £50 million which is m than affordable.
Assuming that we will be the only club in for Sancho next summer is a dangerous game.
I could easily see Chelsea selling the likes of Abraham’s and Pulisic next summer to fund a Sancho bid too.
We need to get a move on if we want him signed up before the season starts, I think we should go for a cb first as I feel that’s a more priority signing, with a solid defence we will win more points as our attacking players are always capable of scoring goals.
100% on all your points mate.
Southgate is an utter fecking clown and he’s going to waste this incredibly talented group of players.
It’s teeth grindingly frustrating.
I’m guessing that by the same logic, those same posters will value him at £200 million if he cracks in a 40 yard strike on Tuesday?
Issue with your maths there is that yeah it reduces the outlay to £50m..... but you also have a Pogba sized hole in the squad that’ll require a sizeable fee to solve.
Why can’t you take that some people don’t rate Sancho as a £100m player? It’s very childish just to think everyone must think like you. I’ve heard this long before the England game too. So it’s not just this game.
And some points being made are pretty sensible actually.
Everyone don’t need to think like you and that shouldn’t be embarrasing at all imo. Accept different opinions and act like an adult. Not like a fecking crybaby.
He’s 20 and had 2 good seasons in Bundesliga for gods sake. Not the real deal just yet, but can be in future for sure.
Agreed. I think people expected to see an Mbappe level performance with a goal and two assists, or a player constantly leaving his fullback for dead. This was a good performance and he's capable of better as well from the games I've seen. I think people have just seen youtube clips here and have formed an opinion based on that and the stats.
Come on!
Mbappe is worth more than a packet of crisps!
I don’t even think Sancho played badly against Iceland. In fact he showed exactly what Utd would be getting, crisp passing, great technical ability and elite decision making. He’s not going to be able to do it all alone but I’d bet good money he would be exceptional at finding Martial, Rashford and Greenwood and would end with a boat load of direct assists.
He has been ok but ive yet to see him really play well for England
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3rd or 4th, depending on how Chelsea’s new team settles. 2 players isn’t enough to catch Liverpool & City, the gulf between us is just too big. We might be less points behind them though.
I was merely talking hypothetically mate. It was done to illustrate the point that even a financially out of reach player is capable of being bought under certain circumstances.
People forget that both Salah and Mane are both fast approaching 30. Selling off one of them for big money and technically swapping them with a 20 year old Sancho would probably be highly desirable to Klopp and the Liverpool board.
We won’t have a free run at Sancho next summer. If we don’t qualify for the CL we might not even be in contention.
Literally no updates and this thread is a the top all day every day.
Obviously weak to ice type pokemon. Nothing to worry about. Get the deal done and he will tear Premier League apart.
LB - Reguilon
CB - Upamecano or I would have liked Gabriel who would have only been 30m
RW- is definitely a struggle but potential talents Trincao or Kulusevski - City bought another option in Torres for 20m
Let's just say we outbid Arsenal and City. Reguilon, Gabriel, Torres & VDB would have been great for us and cost a similar price to Sancho.
I'd say they are easily the quality we are looking for. Young talented players. Sancho is obviously the best young RW option but it is always a concern with these big signings; could you improve the team better with the money spent around the team rather than on just one player.
Because the reasoning for it isn't convincing one bit. So if they don't rate him, surely they must have some great evidence for it?
2 exceptional seasons. And all of us know he's not the finished product. That's part of the reason why we want him. He's only 20 and was as good as he was as a 20 year old. I feel like, you guys on the other hand are looking at him like a finished product and that his price reflects that fact. His price reflects a 20 year old who has had 2 exceptional seasons as an 18 and 19 year old in a top 5 league, with great technical ability, dribbling potential, and decision making.
Players that age often don't get sold for a price reflecting the finished product. That happens for older players because they don't have much room to grow. They're the finished product. For younger players, they're often sold with their potential being a factor in the fee. It's the same reason why if somebody wanted to buy Greenwood off us, you would not sell him for a price that reflects what he is right now, because down the line he could be worth much much more than that.
How much more should a €120m 20 year old show to prove he's worth that money? Genuine question. And I've pretty much stated on here that I do expect a drop in performance, but I do expect him to improve in the next 3 seasons. Look at Torres who City bought. He was a lot cheaper because there was way more uncertainty based on the evidence he's shown in the past 2 seasons (less minutes at the top level, and far less end product).
Some people were labeling Havertz overrated based on his performance against Bayern in the cup final. It's pretty silly to make a comment like that over a match or two. I would probably respect that opinion a little more if I saw that kind of comment during a Bundesliga season thread in which Sancho was performing well, and there was something you didn't like. But I'm not surprised it happened after this match.
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K. Who was then?
He's only played 7 games worth of minutes and nobody plays well for England because the manager is a neanderthal.
We need to find the next Dan James
Great post.
The other thing with stats is, you can’t determine one players ability to perform when it matters compared to another one. So the stats of one player might look better compared to another but the one with less charming statistics can make that crucial pass/tackle/goal when the other one wouldn’t.
Just my 2 cents!
Also regarding Sancho yesterday : I honestly thought he looked class when he got the ball. Huge potential there.
He hasn't played well for England but since his involvement but I don't think it's been a proper run, it's all bit messy and sporadic.
I'd be looking at Champions League performances and stats. We've seen Dembele, Jovic and Haller tear up the league but not do much after leaving. Said before I don't expect him to replicate his Bundesliga stats though, maybe half that and still think he's very talented, would love for us to sign him.
I watched his CL games and thought he looks brilliant within the game, superb holding and running with the ball.
I'd be looking at Champions League performances and stats. We've seen Dembele, Jovic and Haller tear up the league but not do much after leaving. Said before I don't expect him to replicate his Bundesliga stats though, maybe half that and still think he's very talented, would love for us to sign him.
I watched his CL games and thought he looks brilliant within the game, superb holding and running with the ball.
Not my statement that you quoted, but I think I'd just about give it to Sterling out of the England players. Sancho is a close second though for me.
Fair enough.
I’d rather spend it all on Sancho however.
The answer to why Utd are better to go for Sancho than spend it like you’ve mentioned is actually in your own post. “Best young right wing option”.
Yes of course you can spend that money in other areas but you have to understand what you are trying to achieve.
We have the opportunity to sign the best young winger out there who we would reap benefit from for the next 10 years. That opportunity doesn’t come up very often.
The players you mentioned would be useful of course. But you can buy players of similar quality for those positions virtually every summer. They are not in the top drawer in their position. You miss out on them....no big deal, there are other options that become available of similar quality the year after. You miss out on Sancho, you rue it when he’s producing the goods for a rival for 10 years.
By signing the players you’ve mentioned, we would still not be challenging for the league title yet. Neither would we with just Sancho. But by buying Sancho it would give us a much better chance to win the league in 2-3 years time.
I think next week we'll see a lot of movement around this in my opinion.
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