Our attack has actually been good this season to be fair, well second half, but I do agree we need a RW
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Our attack has actually been good this season to be fair, well second half, but I do agree we need a RW
That’s what makes it even more annoying as we know what Ole wants and we’ve been in talks with Sancho, his reps and Dortmund for a year and STILL haven’t got it
Exactly we know we can afford it yet we’re trying to play hardball with a team that regularly gets the most for their players and for a player that has 2-3 years left on his contract, we’re simply trying to get what we want regardless of us not being in the driving seat negotiations wise rather than accepting what Dortmund want or going close to it and just getting it done so we’re settled for th
No it isn’t like buying a second hand car BUT we’ve been in talks for a year and Dortmund have been clear from the start, Havertz for £90 million on the back of one good season shows Sancho for £100 million on the back of two great seasons is a fair price in today’s game.
You’re right though as there’s no way we should abandon the Sancho deal for an inferior player just so we can say we’ve made a signing, if we’re not going to get a genuine game changer I’d rather buy no one than waste money on more squad filler players.
Brooks and Maximin are yet more squad filler and won’t move us on a level, if anything we’ll struggle for top four and then can kiss goodbye to anyone change of genuine class signings next summer and will basically become Arsenal.
Everyone saw towards the end of the restart that Greenwood will get tired being overused in a position that whilst he’s good in isn’t his natural one and means he’s tracking back, Greenwood won’t develop like people think by being overused and burnt out playing as a first choice right winger.
Sancho is one of the best players in his position in world football, would like to join us if possible, has a decade of top level football in front of him and as the Havertz deal shows the pandemic isn’t stopping genuine class players going for high fees so we should pay the fee and then we’re settled going into next season and can focus on our outgoings of the deadwood.
We need to stop buying squad filler players and start buying quality over quantity or every bit of progression we’ve seen this season since January basically counts for nothing. Brooks and Maximin would be good signings for Everton or Leicester or Wolves but not for where we want to be or expecting to move back too.
There seems to be a sudden understanding that Dortmund won’t accept anything other than €120m up front. I’ve been following this closely and unless I’ve missed something this hasn’t been confirmed by any journalist.
It seems to have come from Romano’s tweet a few days ago. But I genuinely believe that has been misinterpreted and lost in translation. I read his tweet as him saying Dortmund don’t want the payment spread over 4/5 years and conditional add ons.
I don’t believe there has ever been a transfer in history whereby €120m has been paid up front or has been asked for.
If Dortmund were happy with €120m in instalments before, there’s no reason why financially they wouldn’t accept the same now. I highly doubt they would allow ego to get in the way of their second most lucrative deal ever.
I don’t believe the problem is Dortmund asking for €120m up front. The problem is we’ve not put a bid in at all nor have we said what we are willing to pay.
Unless I’ve missed something, no one has said it needs to be €120m up front.
It seems to have come from Romano’s tweet a few days ago. But I genuinely believe that has been misinterpreted and lost in translation. I read his tweet as him saying Dortmund don’t want the payment spread over 4/5 years and conditional add ons.
I don’t believe there has ever been a transfer in history whereby €120m has been paid up front or has been asked for.
If Dortmund were happy with €120m in instalments before, there’s no reason why financially they wouldn’t accept the same now. I highly doubt they would allow ego to get in the way of their second most lucrative deal ever.
I don’t believe the problem is Dortmund asking for €120m up front. The problem is we’ve not put a bid in at all nor have we said what we are willing to pay.
Unless I’ve missed something, no one has said it needs to be €120m up front.
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Havertz transfer has put the ball even more firmly in Dortmund’s court
It always was in their court really once it became clear he had an extra year in his contract. I still think we’re concentrating on getting rid of players to raise the up front funds needed to bid. Once we bid Sancho will push for the move.
Why Dortmund's court and not ours?
If United don’t get him this transfer. It’s over for us. He’ll be even more expensive next year along with more suitors and might end up at R. Madrid. I just hope there’s still a plan to get him this window. Probably need to sell some players first to free up more wage and get a little extra money before throwing it all at Sancho.
Correct - unless there are dire cash flow issues then how the monies are spread and more importantly accounted for in the accounts is fairly standard practice. Dortmund won’t be paying for their replacement upfront in cash - everything is done in instalments these days for cash flow purposes - as Crystal Palace did last year with AWB - they sold the loan asset to a bank for a fee but got all the £50m paid upfront - accountants can do anything these days.
If the final deal price can be agreed then the rest is accounting details
Think poster meant to say our court. The idea being that it's on United to stump up the cash even more now.
You think he'll be more expensive than 100+ m next summer!?
With multiple suitors, he could be. I think that's their strategy: wait this year out, and sell him when the European Championships are around the corner.
The Havertz deal shows that Chelsea can take the risk with Abramovich backing them and having sold Hazard for tons of money and going throgh a transfer ban.
Might be different for a club like ours that has to be more careful (and has spent around 180m over the last year).
Yes he will. It’ll be a bidding war. One united will either lose or pay way way more then they should have, if united really want him still. Probably 150m easily or less if we are lucky.
In a year with next to no attendances, and clubs losing big wad cash?
I'd expect next summer to be even more impacted by covid than this one if anything.
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Well it was in our hands but now it’s in their court.
Finally someone talking sense and logic in here. This thread seems like a black hole of doom and gloom even with 6 weeks left of the transferwindow
We have solid things going on attacking-wise and yet 90% of posts in this thread is about how we will be royally screwed without buying Sancho here and now. Mind boggling.
Finally someone talking sense and logic in here. This thread seems like a black hole of doom and gloom even with 6 weeks left of the transferwindow
We have solid things going on attacking-wise and yet 90% of posts in this thread is about how we will be royally screwed without buying Sancho here and now. Mind boggling.
Sort of but not really, if we want to truly be successful next season, we're woefully short and we'll be exposed. It will be a massive slog with our current attacking line-up.
FFS, we dont have the luxury of waiting another year without a RW. It has been 6 fecking years without one. I dont care for feckig Glazers not getting their fecking dividends, leeching on the club. This is a football club with more than 130 years history of challenging for the top honors not a fecking company to be milked to fill their feckig pockets.
I think the issue is that we want to pay part of the fee as conditional add-ons, just like the Bruno deal, where as Dortmund want it all guaranteed.
Too right!
When they cost us £100M + per year in loan and dividend payments, we should not accept lack of money as a reason not to buy the players we so obviously need.
Martial, Rashford, Bruno, Greenwood all entering their prime mate. People in here talk like we will just sit on our hands, if we don't sign Sancho, like we wouldn't use a good amount of money to address other problems / squad-depth issues
I can't understand why anyone is suprised by our lack of effort in the transfer market .. Our club is owned by leaches if they don't release funds then Woodward and co as bad as they are then they can't buy players .
It's the same story for years now even when Ferguson was in charge but his genius hid the cracks .
It's the same story for years now even when Ferguson was in charge but his genius hid the cracks .
I am saying we can afford to sign Sancho - but unless we get decent money for a few of our other players, we probably cant afford to sign anyone else
Our attack was good when we had a healthy Greenwood, Martial, Rashford, and Bruno. We can't rely on that for a 50 to 60 game season that is going to be compressed. As soon as we had to rely on Lingard, Mata or James, we were in trouble. Hell, even Shaw being injured killed our left-side at the end. Our team offers very little width.
Sky have posted a click bait article. Someone should read that and get another few pages of shit up here.
No need.
We turn over 20 pages a day just from people popping in to say we have no chance, fused with others moaning about the board and how good chelsea are doing.
Throw in the occasional smart alec post like mine and we're turning over very nicely to 1000 pages.
Is all news we don't want to hear wrong and clickbait? I wouldn't really be surprised if this wasn't far from the truth. I understand it's a big deal, but negotiations should not be this slow. Havertz wasn't far off the Sancho deal, yet has already been sorted and they had to wait for Havertz to finish the Europa League. Not to add all the players they've signed in the mean time too.
If we can't afford it just fecking move on, we are being severely left behind. This talk about the window closing in October etc. ideally once the season starts in September, our only focus should be the matches.
I would be amazed if this deal doesn’t get done....too much will already.....just bollocks and postering and Dortmund’s need for a replacement that’s holding it up currently
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https://www.skysports.com/share/12055886
Does anyone think it’s significant they are reporting it as £108m and no longer €120m? There seems to be some psychological pricing going on here.
Sky have been doing that all along
Yeah there could be a ton of reasons why it's being held up, not just hardball negotiations like the media believe. And people need to stop looking at Chelsea all the time, i mean Barcelona are in a much bigger crisis and the only deal they've done so far is the Arthur/Pjanic swap.
Whose hands is it actually in now?
I reckon it's still in our hands.
Wording is quite brilliant. He could be sold if we bid what they want. I would have never thought like that.
Ed, is that your burner acc?
omg, it has always been 120 mil AND 108 mil. one in euros and one in pounds. Have you been paying attention at all, mate?
nope-nope-nope, Chelsea are not paying 80 mil upfront, they are paying 80 mil in instalments + 20 mil in addons (apps, cl wins, ballon dors, the usual)
like coutinho was 105 + 40. Barca are still paying instalments for that 105 mil. from that 40, they are paying by those clauses like right now when coutinho won CL with Bayern, Barca had to pay Liverpool 5 mil because of that
you guys seem to have selective hearing, didn’t you know that Ed sent out info to the guys with “sources” that those numbers are unrealistic and offered 60 mil for BVB and wage cut for Jadon
problem for us is that Joel Glazer told mr Eddy that he can’t use daddys’ credit card for Jadon, so Ed went out and did his usual creative thinking. ” okay Zorc, Watzke, Jadon, you guys are gonna have to help me here. now, 60 mil+20 if Jadon wins ballon d’or and CL with us and Jadon you gonna have to get a paycut, okay lads? sound like a proper deal, yeah?” and that is when Zorc came out with “yeah, Jadon will stay with us this season and next year going to Madrid“
I don't disagree but I get the feeling everyone associated with the club does
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Well initially once we secured top 4 it was in our hands and the ball was in our court.
We aparantly negotiated with Jadon and then it was out of our hands and into Dortmund’s court. Dortmund hit back with an £108M fee and we volleyed back add ons on the basis of coronavirus we made a good point. Dortmund then served up a deadline and we had no response and they aced the interview on deadline day.
Since then we’re reaching break point and we don’t seem to have advantage as Havertz is moving for big money to Chelsea. This means it’s still technically in our hands as we can pay the £108m but the ball isn’t in our court because Dortmund have control.
Hit and miss really.
Ah, Dark Dog, was there something you didn't agree with?
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