Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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cyberman said:
But they werent for sale, chairs were thrown. 2 went on strike and forced Dortmunds hands.
The price is immaterial really.
The same way if Sancho forces a move and they get 100m.
In none of those recent examples did Dortmund show how good they are at ignoring trouble makers requests. The opposite is true
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Weren't Aubameyang and Miki in the last year of their contracts?

Price is everything in this deal mate.

I thought the transfer fee is the stumbling block tbh, Dortmund are a selling club, all this flexing is just for show, if someone appears at their door with €120m they'll rip their arm out.
 
do.ob said:
Promising him to sell when certain conditions are met was probably part of the bargain when they signed him.
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He’s happy to stay though, it’s been all over the press from the Dortmund end.

If what Dortmund are saying is true then they’d be stupid to sell when they don’t have to, when they can get more money next season and have a top class player for another season. It doesn’t add up. It actually looks like they really do want to sell, even that they need to sell.
 
Random Task said:
Yeah, but will he be that disappointed if he stays at Dortmund for another year? He doesn't give off that impression in any of his recent interviews, quite the opposite to be fair.

I think he'll join us if the opportunity arrises, but I don't think he'll go to the extent of kicking up a fuss or requesting a transfer to make it happen.
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Yeah, exactly. It was purely hypothetical, hence why i wrote that all signs indicate that he's happy to stay there for another year in one of me previous comments.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
If Dortmund want him to stay, if he’s happy to stay and you’ll get more next year then why the hell are Dortmund even entertaining the idea of a sale? It’s utter madness. The lady doth protest too much, as they say in the shires.
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No, to be correct, they entertained it, and that time passed. Or to be more precise, just said public how much they would want for him if someone would want buying him and what would be the deadline for it. Now they are entertaining the fact, that Sanchos will be at Dortmund for sure at least for the next season. But you choose to ignore it, or spinning this around with not fitting examples of the past.
 
.mica said:
No, to be correct, they entertained it, and that time passed. Or to be more precise, just said public how much they would want for him if someone would want buying him and what would be the deadline for it. Now they are entertaining the fact, that Sanchos will be at Dortmund for sure at least for the next season. But you choose to ignore it, or spinning this around with not fitting examples of the past.
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Theres zero indication that Dortmund have officially closed the door. If they had then Woody would‘ve briefed all the English journos getting his excuses in. He does it every time. We’d also be trying to sign other players.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Sorry Uncle Bob, please remind me again which point I missed last time? I don't even recognise you as a poster. :lol:

The point was clearly 'United will be ok regardless of not signing a big name player.' Yes, ok, perhaps we will.

Perhaps, however, we don't do as well as this season, struggle to make top four, Ole get's the sack, we start the merry dance of the last 6 years again. The latter never being a possibility under SAF.

That sound inconceivable to you Uncle Bob?
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Given the quality of your posts i figured the probability of you understanding a point would be slim, at best. Obviously i can't be bothered to actually go over it.


Classical Mechanic said:
He’s happy to stay though, it’s been all over the press from the Dortmund end.

If what Dortmund are saying is true then they’d be stupid to sell when they don’t have to, when they can get more money next season and have a top class player for another season. It doesn’t add up. It actually looks like they really do want to sell, even that they need to sell.
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More money than what? more than what we're offering or what they're asking?
 
0le said:
I'd love for us to sign Sancho but it is worth remembering that United have missed out on lots of players in the past and it has mostly not stopped us being successful.
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Football landscape is completely different now. United are not the force we used to be. I also feel there's a smaller pool of talent and heightened competition for it from top clubs. Missing out on players like Sancho currently is not the same as it was when we had arguably the best football manager of all time. This would be a big miss and not amount of "we missed out on players before" will soften it. For me at least.
 
.mica said:
At least this thread gives some entertainment. Arrogance mixed with cluelessness about Dortmund and the contextes there, conspiracy theories, wailing, raging, begging, threatening, and so on. Everything you want from an entertaining thread. Enjoy.
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:lol: Does seem like what would provide a hilarious timeline of events from a Dortmund fan's perspective!

What's the fan view from Dortmund though? I.e. considering it's a known business model for the club suits, what's the fan viewpoint? Do you guys get concerned when there's interest in your best players, and does it rankle with you guys when they leave?
Or is it a model you're mostly bought into, so you're not really bothered and basically just turn your attention to what new shiny young players could be arriving as a result?

I get the sense that Dortmund fans are not too bothered, unlike a behemoth like United where the only person who's left in recent times that we really wanted to keep was Ronaldo, and it's still raw for a lot of fans.
(Di Maria was not the same situation, but I suppose fans would've wanted him to stay if he didn't down tools.)
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He’s happy to stay though, it’s been all over the press from the Dortmund end.

If what Dortmund are saying is true then they’d be stupid to sell when they don’t have to, when they can get more money next season and have a top class player for another season. It doesn’t add up. It actually looks like they really do want to sell, even that they need to sell.
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I) Dortmund and Sancho probably had an agreement for this summer - apparently that he can leave if someone offers €120m before their pre-season heats up
II) Sancho apparently wants to return to England, probably negotiated with United for a summer move
III) No one offered €120m by August 10th, so Dortmund announced he'll be staying
IV) Press reports say Sancho will accept that he has to stay for another year

You can obviously speculate whether anyone is bluffing, but the cliffnotes should be fairly easy to understand. No one is saying that a sale never was on the table, no one is saying that Sancho never entertained the thought of leaving. People assume Sancho will play next season like a professional and then most like leave next summer.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
He’s happy to stay though, it’s been all over the press from the Dortmund end.

If what Dortmund are saying is true then they’d be stupid to sell when they don’t have to, when they can get more money next season and have a top class player for another season. It doesn’t add up. It actually looks like they really do want to sell, even that they need to sell.
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Its abit suspicious that he hasnt said himself though.

But then again, AWB said he would and we still got him
 
do.ob said:
I) Dortmund and Sancho probably had an agreement for this summer - apparently that he can leave if someone offers €120m before their pre-season heats up
II) Sancho apparently wants to return to England, probably negotiated with United for a summer move
III) No one offered €120m by August 10th, so Dortmund announced he'll be staying
IV) Press reports say Sancho will accept that he has to stay for another year

You can obviously speculate whether anyone is bluffing, but the cliffnotes should be fairly easy to understand. No one is saying that a sale never was on the table, no one is saying that Sancho never entertained the thought of leaving. People assume Sancho will play next season like a professional and then most like leave next summer.
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Of course they’re bluffing. If they’d closed negotiations Woody would have briefed the English press and you’d get them reporting his spin in unison. It happens every time. As I mentioned previously we’d be trying to sign other players as well.
 
do.ob said:
I) Dortmund and Sancho probably had an agreement for this summer - apparently that he can leave if someone offers €120m before their pre-season heats up
II) Sancho apparently wants to return to England, probably negotiated with United for a summer move
III) No one offered €120m by August 10th, so Dortmund announced he'll be staying
IV) Press reports say Sancho will accept that he has to stay for another year

You can obviously speculate whether anyone is bluffing, but the cliffnotes should be fairly easy to understand. No one is saying that a sale never was on the table, no one is saying that Sancho never entertained the thought of leaving. People assume Sancho will play next season like a professional and then most like leave next summer.
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I'd make one addition/edit for point III - last summer no one knew that pandemic was going to happen. So pre-covid, €120m may have been acceptable, however, things obviously changed. So I guess United are probably low balling too much and a compromise will need to be met...more favourable on the sellers part.

But all these sill reports that Ed offered lower wages to Sancho are just that, silly. Surely people should use their own logic.
 
Glorio said:
:lol: Does seem like what would provide a hilarious timeline of events from a Dortmund fan's perspective!

What's the fan view from Dortmund though? I.e. considering it's a known business model for the club suits, what's the fan viewpoint? Do you guys get concerned when there's interest in your best players, and does it rankle with you guys when they leave?
Or is it a model you're mostly bought into, so you're not really bothered and basically just turn your attention to what new shiny young players could be arriving as a result?

I get the sense that Dortmund fans are not too bothered, unlike a behemoth like United where the only person who's left in recent times that we really wanted to keep was Ronaldo, and it's still raw for a lot of fans.
(Di Maria was not the same situation, but I suppose fans would've wanted him to stay if he didn't down tools.)
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People understand the financial reality of having to compete with €600m-700m annual revenue clubs on €350-400m annual revenue. Fans understand that the club can't buy the finished article or offer their best players competitive wages, because of this financial disadvantage and thus accept that the only way to progress is in a one step backwards two steps forward kind of way.

red thru&thru said:
I'd make one addition/edit for point III - last summer no one knew that pandemic was going to happen. So pre-covid, €120m may have been acceptable, however, things obviously changed. So I guess United are probably low balling too much and a compromise will need to be met...more favourable on the sellers part.

But all these sill reports that Ed offered lower wages to Sancho are just that, silly. Surely people should use their own logic.
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Who knows, there were reports about Dortmund demanding €150m+ before the pandemic, maybe the €120m already includes a hefty discount.

Classical Mechanic said:
Of course they’re bluffing. If they’d closed negotiations Woody would have briefed the English press and you’d get them reporting his spin in unison. It happens every time. As I mentioned previously we’d be trying to sign other players as well.
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Fair enough if you believe that, I won't argue with it. But I personally don't believe Woodward or United would just readily admit if they had misjudged Dortmund's determination regarding the deadline or their ability to refuse a sale.
 
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UncleBob said:
Given the quality of your posts i figured the probability of you understanding a point would be slim, at best. Obviously i can't be bothered to actually go over it.
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Well it's clear I understood the point and pointed out that you actually missed the more relevant point that our manager and standing in the game currently do not match that of the times when we were trying to sign said players.

I hope I made you proud Uncle Bob.
 
RUCK4444 said:
Well it's clear I understood the point and pointed out that you actually missed the more relevant point that our manager and standing in the game currently do not match that of the times when we were trying to sign said players.

I hope I made you proud Uncle Bob.
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Keep on pretending.
 
do.ob said:
Fair enough if you believe that, I won't argue with it. But I personally don't believe Woodward or United would just readily admit if they had misjudged Dortmund's determination regarding the deadline or their ability to refuse a sale.
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Why the feck would we admit that. We'll just brief that Dortmund were unwilling to discuss fees in relation to the covid-19 crisis and that their valuation was completely unrealistic.
 
UncleBob said:
Why the feck would we admit that. We'll just brief that Dortmund were unwilling to discuss fees in relation to the covid-19 crisis and that their valuation was completely unrealistic.
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Because it doesn't need much to connect the dots when you call off a transfer on the day a deadline has passed that you called artificial and a bluff.
 
do.ob said:
Fair enough if you believe that, I won't argue with it. But I personally don't believe Woodward or United would just readily admit if they had misjudged Dortmund's determination regarding the deadline or their ability to refuse a sale.
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We would've already released info to the press that we are not interested etc. That's what we usually do.
 
do.ob said:
Because it doesn't need much to connect the dots when you call off a transfer on the day a deadline has passed that you called artificial and a bluff.
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It would literally change feck all.....Even if the deadline exists and we fecked up by not believing it, we'd simply release via journalists that you set a deadline with an unrealistic fee, that we tried to negotiate a deal that could work for both parties but Dortmund were unwilling to budge on their valuation. Simples and perfectly understandable.
 
With Barca reportedly valuing Dembele at 90m and Coman's injury proneness, the rumored alternatives would represent so much less value. Might be a tough pill to swallow right now given the state of the world but I think 120m for him would be worth it in the long run
 
VanGaalEra said:
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It's like Howard Nurse is a shy fella who gets scared very easily if you mug him off :lol:

You have to give him very simple, non confrontational binary questions in order to extract information!
 
United should just pay up at this point at let him make his decision, obviously they have 3 targets, but maybe settle for 2 and get Sancho in.
 
If we don't get him this summer, he goes elsewhere next year. Suggestions we hold off now and come in next year are likely naive.

If we rate him and want him, it's sort of now or never.
 
Honestly Howard Nurse and Miguel Delaney I’m 1000% certain have absolutely 0 inside sources when it comes to transfers. They both know they’re stealing a living.
 
RUCK4444 said:
I honestly think posts like this should be ban worthy...
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What? For having an opinion that's different to yours? Isn't that what a forum is for?

Also, am I wrong in thinking there are far more attractive destinations for top footballers at the moment than United?
 
ehsanul said:


Looks like its all over.
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The fact that BVB keep talking about it, and united have not actually said a word at all is a sign that there is clearly still things happening. Even Sanchos comment is quite inconsequential.

Not saying it will or wont happen, but clearly its not off yet.
 
Squeaky Bumtime said:
Nice comment from a Manchester United fan this. Tell me though how can we become a proper quality side without signing players like him?
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Sorry for not being the toppest or reddest. To say United aren't the pull they once were is hardly a stretch though, is it? Have you watched them for the past 7 years or so? How many of the best players in the world will think "ooh yeah... i will have me some of that!"?
 
This isn’t happening

Hope we don’t waste the whole window before we realise it.
 
ehsanul said:


Looks like its all over.
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Can we stop doing this on a daily basis ? It’s over once United clearly state through the media it’s over. Dortmund are coming across as very insecure, they can’t stop talking about it. The fact we are not even linked to another RW is a clear sign we are still in this. It’s our most glaring hole in our starting 11.
 
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It's hilarious to see them still going on about him staying. Setting him up to look like the villain when the truth is they're desperate for us to drop a fat wedge on him.
 
Swearing Budgie said:
Sorry for not being the toppest or reddest. To say United aren't the pull they once were is hardly a stretch though, is it? Have you watched them for the past 7 years or so? How many of the best players in the world will think "ooh yeah... i will have me some of that!"?
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Virtually all I would assume. Last I checked we had the third largest fan base in the world. Most players would happily play on that stage.
 
El-Manos said:
Can we stop doing this on a daily basis ? It’s over once United clearly state through the media it’s over. Dortmund are coming across as very insecure, they can’t stop talking about it. The fact we are not even linked to another RW is a clear sign we are still in this. It’s our most glaring hole in our starting 11.
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Look at who posted it, he’s desperate for it not to happen.
 
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