Keeping the flock together as good as you can, I see
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Keeping the flock together as good as you can, I see
You should have your nick changed to Judas PriestThis may be an unpopular opinion but I'm fine with us not getting Sancho if it means we're not going to get fleeced by Dortmund.
Is he a cracking player? It appears so. Are we in a need for a proper winger? Yes we are. But we cannot be overpaying for every single player we're in, it's a bottomless hole.
Is he a cracking player? It appears so. Are we in a need for a proper winger? Yes we are. But we cannot be overpaying for every single player we're in, it's a bottomless hole.
Apparently, that's what Sancho himself said:
"I love playing with this lot. It is a special bunch. We've got some special young players coming up. I am really happy to share the pitch with them and guide them. I was once in their shoes, playing with the seniors. I am happy for them."
"I joined when I was 17. Some of the lads are the same age. I've been there and done that. I can guide them in what’s good and what isn’t. I can hopefully motivate them as well."
Don't know if it has already been posted but to me this was new. I'm sorry but if yu take a look at the whole picture I really don't see this transfer happening this window. Sancho would need to Dembele his way out or at least such a conflict had to be staged in order to allow Zorc getting out of this situation without losing his face. Staging such an incident is already a ridiculous thought and after these comments I can't imagine a fallout will happen.
"I love playing with this lot. It is a special bunch. We've got some special young players coming up. I am really happy to share the pitch with them and guide them. I was once in their shoes, playing with the seniors. I am happy for them."
"I joined when I was 17. Some of the lads are the same age. I've been there and done that. I can guide them in what’s good and what isn’t. I can hopefully motivate them as well."
Don't know if it has already been posted but to me this was new. I'm sorry but if yu take a look at the whole picture I really don't see this transfer happening this window. Sancho would need to Dembele his way out or at least such a conflict had to be staged in order to allow Zorc getting out of this situation without losing his face. Staging such an incident is already a ridiculous thought and after these comments I can't imagine a fallout will happen.
The fact we are briefing again today that we are still in talks with BVB shows we haven’t given up yet and have a desire to get it done. I’ll be a muppet for another week
108m is not a fleece given his output and the fact he is English too.
Good luck to them then. They're never getting 120m euros with the majority up front any time soon for him. I'd argue with the way things look with COVID, clubs won't be able to pay that next summer either.
He still hasn't said anything publicly about staying. A lot of press releases about how we haven't given up still make me believe he's ours.
This has become boring, like all our transfer sagas.
So situation as of 9:42am GMT on 13/08/2020:
About it?
- Dortmund won't reduce £108m asking price
- United won't match £108m, without heavy incentives.
- United need Sancho to force the move to get the price down, Sancho wants United to just sort it out themselves.
- Brick wall.
- United will likely complete their Europa League mini tournament and wait for Dortmund to come back from Austria before any further developments.
About it?
dislike Lukaku because he gets paid well at Inter?
No. We still need to subsidize his wage after selling him.
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So you want to be here to rub into people`s faces about how your own club was unsuccessful in pulling off a difficult transfer during a pandemic just so that you can beat down the club you claim to support just for your own personal pleasure and benefit?? And to what prove a sadistic and pedantic point that suits your angle?
Quite some supporter you are #threadbanneeded
No, we don't. It was an incorrect speculation by one of the posters here.
and you think that it isn’t in Sancho’s camp’s interest to post anything to suit their agenda? Like you don’t think his agents see us a huge money pot and are trying their hardest to get their snouts in the trough too.
I get it, you hate Ed (stems from your Moyes love in days) but why is it anytime anything on social media makes us look bad, it must be truth when it’s obvious a game is being played here.
The caf is always bleating on about how Ed overpays crazy wages for even substandard players... and you think he’s seriously going to underpay a player whose transfer that would be the British record? When have we ever underpaid a player? Even when players leave like Pogba to Juve, or CR7 to Madrid, it’s never because we didn’t offer them enough.
Told by other poster. Now he edited it to "not subsidized".
True. Dortmund has had Sancho for 2 years, and not much to show anyway. So there are other players out there that can make teams successful.
Yeah this has a slim chance of happening now. The only way it happens is United ponying out the 120m and Dortmund being shameless enough to accept it after all their posturing. However that will also add to the increasing notion that United suck at negotiations and can be taken to the cleaners by anyone, something Woodward and the hierarchy are desperate to clamp down.
Totally th wrong transfer to walk from in attempt to clean up your rep. Should have told Leicester to feck off with Maguire.
This!!! I was just explaining this recently that if BVB can`t get a good fee this year then as things stand with most organizations and football clubs still recovering from the effects of the pandemic, they won`t get anything next year either as a vaccine may take time before it is fully approved and it may take time before fans are allowed back into the stadiums. Not even the Utds/Chelseas etc will afford big money signings so the best BVB will be able to do is sell for a cut price fee in 2022 which will not have benefited any party as they`ll have gotten a significantly lower fee than they wanted and Sancho himself won`t be happy having a move being delayed for a good 2 years. This is the year that suits both clubs and the player
In the current timeline, i think it is. Every club (bar those state backed obviously) finances have been compromised due to this pandemic. Of the reports are true he's also not happy with €12m salary offered. Though idk how much of that is true considering we had various reports that everything was agreed with the player.
Also we appear to be the only club that's interested in him.
The fact he's English shouldn't be raising his price all that significantly, we already have a fair amount of home-grown players.
Dortmund haven't really been doing that except for the 10th August press?
The noise was always from England.
It's called CYA, cover your ass. So we all don't get butthurt if this deal fall off the cliff.
Yeah but have transfer fees actually gone down in tandem? Chelsea will have to pay nearly as much for Havertz who isn't worth as much as Sancho anyway, and City just spent £41m or something on Ake
At €120m Sancho is still €40m cheaper than Mbappe and like €25m cheaper than Dembele was. I really don't think it's getting fleeced at all. If this was a normal window I'd have expected it to be €150m+.
At this point I'm fine if United give them the money. If he comes good no one will care.
Think they're happy holding on to him for another year if that's the case. Selling him in 2022 in a recovered market could be better than 2021 in a deflated one.
However, chances are the market next summer will already have recovered. By this time we could have a vaccine for 5-6 months already. Once the revenues are flowing in again, clubs can pay those sums.
Exactly this. I don't get how everyone thinks that all clubs will be financially stable next year. The fans probably won't be in the stands for quite a while.
@VanGaalEra what does your muppet heart tell you?
The noise is coming from agents that are being briefed by Dortmund officials.
You're reading too much into these answers. For a start, what's the context? Was he asked: "What's it like playing with these young players?" or was he asked: "Do you want to leave? Are you happy here?"
He can only answer the questions he's asked so we shouldn't be applying extra context to them outside of what was said.
I’m afraid it’s quite the opposite.
The transfer market will never be the same again. PSG inflated it and now no clubs are going to be willing to go back to Neymar prices. Most clubs are still losing money and no one's going to be filling grounds again for the whole of next season so I'm not sure where you think clubs are going to have over £100m to spend next year.
For everyone saying the deal is dead - just remember we would brief the press that we have "cooled", "ended" or "suspended" interest in Sancho.
It's been done with other players we knew were out of reach, but right now it's briefed we are still going ahead in pursuit for Sancho. This should tell you everything.
Right now all you have to suggest the deal is off, is Zorc saying they "plan for Sancho" in the next season. He didn't say "he's not for sale" and he has a history of supposedly quashing transfer talk before the transfer happens. In fact this has happened in 2/2 of his last big transfers.
It's been done with other players we knew were out of reach, but right now it's briefed we are still going ahead in pursuit for Sancho. This should tell you everything.
Right now all you have to suggest the deal is off, is Zorc saying they "plan for Sancho" in the next season. He didn't say "he's not for sale" and he has a history of supposedly quashing transfer talk before the transfer happens. In fact this has happened in 2/2 of his last big transfers.
I'm with this guy
If that's what he said then I think that's much better than I thought he had said. He's clearly talking about playing with the young kids coming through, your obliged to talk positively in that sense.
What was he supposed to say? 'Ah feck the kids coming through, I want to play in Manchester ffs!' !?
My head tells me United will get him in 12 months time for more than the £108m.
United need to remember when they baulked at £80m (or was it less?) for Maguire. Struggled massively defensively for the season and then signed Maguire for £80m 12 months later anyway. Missed out on another year of Maguire whilst saving nothing but wages. Stupid.
That's probably Dortmund's line of thinking too. They know they can keep Sancho another year and then still get the same money, or more if Real Madrid decide to get shot of Hazard and finally shake Bale.
United need to remember when they baulked at £80m (or was it less?) for Maguire. Struggled massively defensively for the season and then signed Maguire for £80m 12 months later anyway. Missed out on another year of Maguire whilst saving nothing but wages. Stupid.
That's probably Dortmund's line of thinking too. They know they can keep Sancho another year and then still get the same money, or more if Real Madrid decide to get shot of Hazard and finally shake Bale.
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I think you can say they're happy to have a player of his calibre in the club for longer, but they're not going to invest to close the gap on Bayern, so it will be a pretty dull 2 years for him.
Clubs like West ham are rumoured to be struggling to pay for previous transfers, the money will run out eventually, even with the big dogs.
How are clubs going to plug the gap in revenues in that time? Even if there's a vaccine in 5-6 months, they've still lost half a years worth of gate receipts. That's also implying that numbers go back pre-covid highs, which is also debatable. Also, there may not be a vaccine by then! If anything, now is the best time to sell if you want a lot of it up front, I don't see it getting better any time soon. Not to mention Dortmund's model relies on selling and fans in the stadium.
I think that was actually a well reasoned line of argument. It's always been reported that we can expect a vaccine in the early months of 2021. If that's the case and the cash flow of top clubs is back to where it was two to three months after mass production starts, signing fees in such spheres aren't unlikely.
Well, I believe for this deal to gonthrough he'd have to go on a strike and no matter what was asked, those answers sure as hell don't sound like he'll try to force his way out.
The equivalent of this transfer thread on transfermarkt.de has been closed after these statements, by the way.
Fixed that for you
But then again Chelsea have bought Ziyech for €40m, City have bought Torres for €30m, both of which are quality players. Werner was bought for €50 ish... Sancho is priced at €30m more than Havertz.
Think that Mbappe fee was that big because Monacco had done them a solid, letting Mbappe go on a loan with obligation to buy because PSG needed to sort out their books.
Dembele is different, they squeezed Barca because they knew they had big money from Neymar sale (he himself paid his clause in cash) and they were in a dire need of a winger.
Sancho's price would in large have been dependant on his performances on the Euros that was supposed to be held this summer. It may be that his price would have gone up but it was equally as possible that his price would have gone down. We'll never know.
Also im weary of buying attacking talent from Dortmund based on their numbers in Bundesliga... Miki and Kagawa still sting.
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