Amazing isn't it, having strength and depth in 2020 is essential.
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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I never watched the games, but apparently that's where he was playing since the lockdown ended. His stats did go down though, he had one game where he scored a hattrick but otherwise didn't score and only had one assist. That could have been because he wasn't as good playing #10, could be because he just didn't return from the lockdown all that well, or maybe he was playing well but just not quite getting the goals/assist stats that he was from either wing.
I highly doubt we're looking to do that. Martial is going to be our main #9, with Ighalo the short-term cover and Greenwood developing into the long-term cover/first choice.
I think it's because many parties are involved. It's not just a deal between two clubs, but also the player and his agent. There are details like who pays the agent, and how much etc. I think Utd has some policy regarding agents and it takes time to iron out. Then there is the player's contract etc.
Martial played amazing yesterday. He wasn't quite, the only thing missing from the game was a goal, his link up and hold up play is phenomenon.
OGS may have a soft spot for youth players but he has made it clear in previous games Martial pressing is very underrated.
The difference with Rashford and Martial is the latter is required to be on the pitch for us to play good football hence why he is being protected and taken off when the game is over.
Agreed. Ighalo is able to hold up the ball but won't match Martial on anything else.
I'd argue that Tony Marshall is actually the one who's to be the least worried. He brings to the team something that no one else in the team can do. His combination of strength, pace, technical ability, finishing and brining others in the game in the number 9 position is irreplaceable atm.
Sorry but looks like you are agreeing that Bayern are nowhere near RM or Barca
I don't see that Barca did much more than Bayern over the last decade. In my view Real and Bayern were the 2 best teams of the decade, pretty close to eachother in terms of quality, with the better/luckier ending for Madrid which resulted in 4 UCLs (of which 2 were really lucky). But i accept if people say they put Barca & Real over Bayern.
But saying that Bayern over the last decade has been on City's level is just a cringe provocation.
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The entire German football world seems to be very bitter when it comes to the PL. From the heads of their FA, to club directors down to the fans, you could feel the bitterness and envy towards the PL whenever they speak. Its not the PL's fault your shit league can't bring in even half of what PL does. Wasn't it Wolfsburg or Schalke who were literally begging PL fans to watch their league when they restarted before everyone else? LoL! PL starts and BOOM they go back to irrelevance. I'll readily sit through a Parma vs Lecce game than watch Bayern against teams who'd rather go on relegation than do anything resembling defending.
Greatest football joy was watching Rumenigge cry inside like a little girl, face all reddened up as we lifted the CL at the Allianz Arena. Gave him credit for holding back the tears though, at least the Bayern cloth around his neck would have had some use.
That guy is a special kind of PL hating prick.
Greatest football joy was watching Rumenigge cry inside like a little girl, face all reddened up as we lifted the CL at the Allianz Arena. Gave him credit for holding back the tears though, at least the Bayern cloth around his neck would have had some use.
That guy is a special kind of PL hating prick.
We've got to pay about 250m in transfer fee debt alone and the current pandemic climate isn't doing us any favors. It's not all that simple as..... get trophies, get fanbase, sell t-shirts....... etc.
The emphasis was on spending 90 - 100m player when you've got someone who 2 years younger and is able to reach the heights that Sancho has. I don't doubt the fact that Sancho could work wonders for us and we probably do need firepower to ensure that we deliver a PL title soon. However, there are other areas that would need upgrading as well aka CM (if Pogba or Bruno are injured), DM (Is the Matic resurgence temporary? will age catch up next season? can he be consistent? will he be found out by the bigger teams? can we depend on McT & Fred to deputize when required?, CB (We need a CB that can be relied on. Maguire has been shaky at times and is slow and Lindelof albeit he's proven to be a good partner for Maguire, is he a long term option when it comes to winning the PL?
Do we need a 90 - 100m player or can we do with a 40 - 60m instead? I've already heard the shirt sales and marketability options... We've already got Pogba, Bruno, Rashford, Martial, and with Greenwood's rapid growth, not long before he becomes a hot marketing commodity as well.
Let me reiterate as a fan, I would be more than happy to get Sancho but we do not have an infinite transfer budget, should we be looking at the bigger picture?
Ed spent 80m on Maguire when we already had 6CBs on our books
Also bought Lukaku even though we had Rashford
Also bought Alexis even though we have Martial
If Sancho is gettable and wants to come best believe he will be a Utd player and we will still buy a CB and back up no10 depending on sales.
Wow I can't believe he said Martial doesnt offer much without his goals.
Before Maguire, we had Lindelof (Can't head the ball), Bailly (Injury-prone), Rojo (Not good enough), Tuanzebe (Young, inexperienced, Injury-prone), Jones (Not good enough, makes way too many mistakes, Injury-prone), Smalling (Was not a ball playing CB). As you can tell, despite having 6 CBs, all of them have their issues.
Lukaku was bought to play Jose's style of football which includes a Drogba type Target Man. However, Lukaku's first touch and poor hold up play let him down and that's why Ole couldn't depend on him. Lukaku was brought in as well because he guaranteed goals whereas Rashford hasn't proven to be a 20 PL goal striker yet. Jose didn't see Rashford as a No. 9 but as a winger/ attacking player sort.
Jose fell out with Martial and wanted him sold. Alexis was brought because of his reputation of what he had accomplished at Arsenal, shirt sales and it was also a power play to one-up Man City, only for it to backfire.
No one is questioning that Sancho is gettable. We are the only player in for him as no other club want to fork out 90 - 100m on one player in this pandemic climate.
Yet Chelsea are rumoured to be about to spend close to that on Havertz as well as having just brought in Werner and Ziyech (although his deal was agreed pre lockdown) as well as strong rumours that they will go for one more player even after that.
Also re do we need to spend that much and impact our chances at signing other players? Yes. We have the chance to buy one of the best young players in the world. If we pass that up chances are he goes somewhere else next summer and for close to the amount he would go for this summer because there will be a bidding war. We have some adequate cover in all areas, enough that if we can play mctominay instead of Matic, Fred instead of Pogba and maybe even Sancho instead of Bruno. Then having as potent an attack as the one we would have with him in the team covers for deficiencies at the back.
Realistically we won’t be challenging for the title next season, so if we’re looking at a 2 year plan. Then just push back buying cover for other areas one year.
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Chelsea bought Werner for 45m, Ziyech for 35m, and are quoted to be trying to sign Havertz for 70m (not 90 - 100m which is being quoted for Sancho). That's a total attacking revamp for 150m which on avg, they would have spent 50m/ player which aren't bad deals. All of those players have a reputation to create and score a lot of goals. They sold Hazard for 100m and haven't actually spent that money and coupled with the fact that they had a transfer ban of 2 windows. So they've got the funds and they also need to spend to replace Willian, Hazard, Pedro, and Giroud.
Saw that! Outrageous...deserves a ban IMO
I mean we’re ‘trying to’ get Sancho for 80 and rumours are coming out that Chelsea may pay 100mill euros. We can’t really be sure until it happens. You said no club is willing to spend 90-100 on a single player in the current climate, but whats the difference of one club filling a gap of two players for 100 and one club filling a major gap of one player for the 100 mill if it encourages the same result? You’re still spending that 100 million.
What you’re asking for is probably as crazy in this climate as well. A 60 mill winger (who you foresee being displaced by Greenwood), a CM to deputise for Pogba and Bruno (40 mill), a CDM to either start ahead of Matic (50 mill?) or deputise (30/40 mill) and a CB to start alongside Harry (feck knows who we could get for under 60 who is worth it).
Why not go for someone who is pretty much a sure fire way to improve our right wing NOW. A position that has been empty for years. In two years Greenwood may displace Martial or Sancho pushes to the left and Rashford misses out. Who knows.
Chances are we will have more funds again next summer. We can focus on bringing in actual quality. I’d rather slowly change the team by bringing in the best or potentially best in their positions, rather than seeing a weakness and thinking it needs fixing with someone only slightly better than what we have now.
The strongest rumours for our summer are that we will go for Sancho AND Grealish. That fixes the right wing and deputises for Pogba and Bruno. Next summer we can focus on CDM and CB.
Buy Sancho play 4-4-2 with Greenwood Martial Sancho Rash Bruno Pogba
Jesus christ man, are you full kit?
We should definitely buy both. Goals goals and more fecking goals.
I agree that there are holes to fill in the squad. But RW has been a problem for a decade and Greenwood would eventually move into ST position. So why not go for the best RW available in the market right now. Signing him would solve our RW problem for another 10 years. It is more about buying quality than quantity.
I would like us to sign Sancho and a CB.
ITK for all my fellow Sancho transfer muppets
Who the hell is that, never ever seen him before.
Utter tripe.
I am actually told it’s 4 proposals.
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One of these accounts pops up every transfer window claiming there ITK and deals are almost done. 99% of the time it’s utter bullshit and you never hear from them again.
Yep. Rarely post anything falsifiable. When they do, it's always subsequently proven to be fabricated and they delete their accounts.
1st - Get him first.
2nd - Then try and solve problems about playing time and positions of our attackers.
Easy. One thing at a time.
2nd - Then try and solve problems about playing time and positions of our attackers.
Easy. One thing at a time.
3 rounds of proposals. that mean's we get at least 3 rounds of preparing the bid in the next 48.
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This is what I want to see, not pointless discussion
Liverpool scored 75 league goals so far while last season 89 goals. City scored 86 league goals so far while last season 95 goals. They are basically teams who are capable to score 80+ league goals and we aren't, that's the aspect we're trying to improve right now. Even Chelsea is also focusing to improve in this aspect despite of having much worse in defense.
IMO we are't going to score 80-85 league goals by relying on Greenwood, Martial & Rashford alone next season because they haven't prove themselves to be capable to score 25 league goals per season. At this moment, they are still goal scorer who only give us around 15 league goals. However if we sign Sancho, we will have 5 players who can score 15 league goals per season. It's pretty much 75 goals from 5 players, while the other 5-10 goals can come from Pogba and others.
You can talk about Pogba or Bruno being injured, the same goes what will happen if our current trio being injured, we also need someone to cover their goal threat. If Pogba is injured, we have Fred to cover his spot. If Bruno is injured, we have Pogba get shifted to Bruno's role. Fred can play in Matic's role while both Ole & Matic see the potential in Scott capable playing in the role. Given how very well they have performed this season, both Scott & Fred deserve their chance next season.
Sancho offers both goals & creativity means he's basically 2 in 1 package of buy, pretty much a 90m-100m for a player who is like 2 players. He will cover the goals if we need someone to score, he will also cover the creativity if we end up missing one of the other creative player (Pogba & Bruno). Not every creativity need to come from no 10 or Bruno's position.
Sancho & CB for this summer imo.
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Letting BVB know we've got 3 incremental proposals prepared and then still hoping they might accept one of the lower bids is definitely an interesting negotiation tactic.
If only there were some clue that that twitter profile was making stuff up. But it’s on Twitter in writing so I imagine it’s true
And yeah, interesting tactic. “I have £100 I’ll give you, but I’d rather keep that for me. So can you please take £50 or £75 instead?”
“yeah the 50 will do”
Hahaha that's a Woody tactic! In the other hand, maybe the proposals are different in the payment method (less money, but full cash vs more money in instalments and bonus)
I'm hearing united are prepared to pay up to 100 million for Sancho, but are hoping to pull off a masterstroke by offering 60 million and seeing if Dortmund accept it. They've only told some random attention seeking bloke on twitter, so as long as he doesn't say anything, the plan's a good un
More like David Cartwrong, 'youknowwhati'msaying. I thought fake ITK tweets were not allowed?
The one thing thats proven time and time again is that we haven't got an ITK. Literally nobody.
Theres a supposed ITK on the Muppetier page thats given out stories about European transfers as if hes Romano himself and he is a quoted source that they push forward ffs.
Theres a supposed ITK on the Muppetier page thats given out stories about European transfers as if hes Romano himself and he is a quoted source that they push forward ffs.
TBF it probably is something like:
1. 60m + 80m in total addons
2. 75m + 50m in total addons
3. 85m + 30m in total addons
Ok Dortmund, take your pick (with room for minor adjustments; also figures exaggerrated for simplicity)
But the tweet sounds like it's a thirteen year old who has a vague grasp on the notion thinking that the offers were made sequentially whilst also knowing that doesn't necessarily make sense and in the end not Englishing well enough.
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Remember when any ITK business was banned on the caf? Yeah, I liked it better like that and I’m muppet since the Berbatov era.
All the ITK on Twitter are bs merchants. They keep changing tone and delete post in case it goes wrong or make new story.
There are enough reliable journalist giving information on this deal.
There are enough reliable journalist giving information on this deal.
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