You don't have to be that extreme. Sancho is never valued at 200m. Its really insulting to bid their best player, and the hottest young player in the world, for mere 50m, if that's true. It may really piss them off and make the negotiation process even harder. Imagine someone wants to buy Pogba from us and offer us the same, would you try to negotiate with them, or simply tell them to feck off? I'd even rise his price tag from 100m to 120m after such insulting offer, just for us.
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You don't have to be that extreme. Sancho is never valued at 200m. Its really insulting to bid their best player, and the hottest young player in the world, for mere 50m, if that's true. It may really piss them off and make the negotiation process even harder. Imagine someone wants to buy Pogba from us and offer us the same, would you try to negotiate with them, or simply tell them to feck off? I'd even rise his price tag from 100m to 120m after such insulting offer, just for us.
I'm massively in favour of adding to our attacking ranks with Sancho despite having three good attackers already. All four could play together - and there is always injuries, suspension and rotation. Imagine those four all competing hard for three places, it would immense.
We don't actually have a truly creative winger like Sancho at the club either. Rashford and Greenwood, as effective as they are, are not out-and-out wingers who specialise in creating or dribbling. Adding Sancho gives us another string to our bow and variety in attack.
The emergence of our front three allows us to approach the Sancho transfer with leverage though, because we're not desperate. We can walk away if the price is too high or afford to wait a year, or just go with another player. It's a great position to be in, but we do need that UCL place I feel.
But first and foremost, we badly need him if we're to revive the Oles at the wheel chant next season.
We don't actually have a truly creative winger like Sancho at the club either. Rashford and Greenwood, as effective as they are, are not out-and-out wingers who specialise in creating or dribbling. Adding Sancho gives us another string to our bow and variety in attack.
The emergence of our front three allows us to approach the Sancho transfer with leverage though, because we're not desperate. We can walk away if the price is too high or afford to wait a year, or just go with another player. It's a great position to be in, but we do need that UCL place I feel.
But first and foremost, we badly need him if we're to revive the Oles at the wheel chant next season.
Very true
Although I reckon Bruno could be slotted in that space for the time being.Agree with everything else you've said. I'd much rather have 'too many' quality attacking options than be 1 injury to the front three away from James (who's done well in his first season) starting again. Sancho is a level above the other forwards we have in terms of vision, dribbling and decision making so it would add a completely different and unique dimension going forward like you've said. Not to mention the fact we'd be adding one of the best and most productive young talents in world football who is also English. Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho are all extremely versatile anyways (even Tony can slot back into his old LW role if need be), I wouldn't worry at all about their playing time.
I'm 100% sure the 50 million talk is just posturing/Sky Sports generally speaking shite, although that's not to say I'm confident we'll get the deal done. But it's the kind of transfer we need to be jumping on to reach that next level and start challenging in the next 2 seasons. Here's hoping.
Sancho can play No.10 if Bruno gets injured or collapses from exhaustion. That's why I'm desperate for us to sign him. If Bruno goes down, I don't think I can take another season of Pereira/Lingard/Mata as No.10.
Yeah him and agent Rashford will have been discussing the game on instagram afterwards I am certain of that
Don't think he can mate plays either keft or right but can can drift around pitch during games like martial, Rashford and Greenwood for Bruno and Pogba rotation player we need a Donny Van Beek or Grealish player
We need a Matic rotation player as much as we need Bruno and Pogba rotation player. Sancho can play AM by the way
No, Uefa have said next season for every new signing.
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This made me chuckle. Sancho has played AM 11 times this season in the Bundesliga scoring 4 goals and getting 2 assists.
Sancho
- RW - 14 apps 7 goals 9 assists
- AM - 11 apps 4 goals 2 assists
- LW - 7 apps 6 goals 6 assists
- LW - 18 apps 6 goals 2 assists
- LAM - 6 apps 0 goals 2 assists
- CAM - 3 apps 0 goals 1 assists
- LM - 2 apps 1 goals 1 assists
- SS - 1 app 0 goals 0 assists
Ed due to play hardball;
https://www.skysports.com/football/...will-not-pay-more-than-50m-for-england-winger
https://www.skysports.com/football/...will-not-pay-more-than-50m-for-england-winger
Yeah this is why I think DM should be priority if we get Sancho. We don't need to see Lingard or Pereira if Bruno is out because Sancho is a solid cover for Bruno in the AM role and Greenwood has proven he can cover the RW position if Sancho plays AM. But who covers for Matic when Matic is out??
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We’ve had this yesterday mate
United Transfer Negotiation Policy
- Think about thinking about a player
- Think about a player
- Think about thinking about making an offer for the player you’ve been thinking about.
- Think about making an offer for the player you’ve been thinking about.
- Think about thinking about making people/media aware that you were thinking about making an offer for the player you were thinking about
- Think about making people/media aware that you were thinking about making an offer for the player you were thinking about.
- Think about thinking about a fair fee to offer for the player you were thinking about
- Think about a fair fee to offer for the player you were thinking about
- Think about thinking about halving that fee
- Think about halving that fee
- Halve that fee
- Think about thinking about offering the half price fee
- Think about offering the half price fee
- Offer the half price fee
- Get rejected
- Get quoted full price
- Think about thinking about offering a higher new fee
- Think about offering a new higher fee
- Wait two weeks
- Offer new higher fee
- Get rejected
- Get quoted full price
- Rinse and repeat steps 17-22 until full price is met at the end of the transfer window or you buy Fellaini.
Dortmund goalkeeper Roman Bürki on teammate Jadon Sancho: "He shouldn't have any special rights. Players his age only learn that if we draw a line together. You can't always say, 'He's still young, he's still young'. There has to be a learning curve eventually"
https://bulinews.com/news/5514/roman-bürki-jadon-sancho-shouldnt-have-any-special-rights
https://bulinews.com/news/5514/roman-bürki-jadon-sancho-shouldnt-have-any-special-rights
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We’ve had this yesterday mate
United Transfer Negotiation Policy
- Think about thinking about a player
- Think about a player
- Think about thinking about making an offer for the player you’ve been thinking about.
- Think about making an offer for the player you’ve been thinking about.
- Think about thinking about making people/media aware that you were thinking about making an offer for the player you were thinking about
- Think about making people/media aware that you were thinking about making an offer for the player you were thinking about.
- Think about thinking about a fair fee to offer for the player you were thinking about
- Think about a fair fee to offer for the player you were thinking about
- Think about thinking about halving that fee
- Think about halving that fee
- Halve that fee
- Think about thinking about offering the half price fee
- Think about offering the half price fee
- Offer the half price fee
- Get rejected
- Get quoted full price
- Think about thinking about offering a higher new fee
- Think about offering a new higher fee
- Wait two weeks
- Offer new higher fee
- Get rejected
- Get quoted full price
- Rinse and repeat steps 17-22 until full price is met at the end of the transfer window or you buy Fellaini.
This could apply to Moyes, yes.
What is the context.
Sounds like Sancho's head is already in Manchester because I've decided to read it that way.
https://bulinews.com/news/5514/roman-bürki-jadon-sancho-shouldnt-have-any-special-rights
Here's a link to the interview
If we can’t get him for 85 million maximum we should look elsewhere.
I’m just thinking about the game yesterday and how we need better squad quality. We shouldn’t splash that amount of money in a time when we need more backup quality players. If Bayern are getting players like sane for 50 million then Dortmund need to lossen up on sancho price tag.
With greenwood also performing we don’t seem as desperate. We have more bargaining power.
I’m just thinking about the game yesterday and how we need better squad quality. We shouldn’t splash that amount of money in a time when we need more backup quality players. If Bayern are getting players like sane for 50 million then Dortmund need to lossen up on sancho price tag.
With greenwood also performing we don’t seem as desperate. We have more bargaining power.
No Sancho. It's on.
While the tweet was unavailable, your name and tag more than makes up for it.
Edit - The tweet has since loaded, name point still stands
We're going to pay whatever Dortmund ask us to pay.
The most financially vulnerable phase of football is over. All stakeholders got hit unexpectedly, now they'll plan for it better. Leagues, clubs and consequently footballers at the very top will adapt to the new state of football and quickly create a new bubble for their systems to function anticipating second and third waves of the virus over the next couple of years. The TV deals will not massively drop because they'll have increased coverage during social distancing and lockdowns, and will structure their payouts with more detailed ifs and buts. Corners will be cut in the wake of the new methods of functioning of clubs, and diverted to PR in terms of charity or support to deflect criticism of that bubble. Another Maguire will ask for a 30% cut to charity, another Rashford will drive a strong social cause. Germany, Italy, Spain, France and England all receive massive amounts of much needed taxes from this footballing bubble and would be reluctant to interfere unless things are really really bad. If the leagues and clubs are already practicing the policies recommended and football keeps morale high, why should they interfere?
The bottom line, in my opinion, is that this is the only time when clubs will be so badly hit with the imbalance between revenue and expenses, and hence this is the only window where it is really bad for clubs to spend big. By next season, clubs at the top (only at the top) will be in better financial shape again, and will be willing to pay more for top players. There are a handful clubs who can pay 100m for a player if their finances are functioning as usual, but there's only one Jadon Sancho with a year left on his contract.
If I were Dortmund, I would quote the usual price for him, fully expecting no one to meet it and happy if someone does. Next year, someone or the other will pay a fortune for him nonetheless after a bidding war - there's enough evidence to be sure that he's no one season wonder. Even if he has a poor season and it means the fee is 30m-40m lesser, it shows that they won't be lowballed and they would have recouped some of that loss in his performances nonetheless with another good league/CL run.
I'm sure the money people at United know this, and I'm sure Ed would be looking back at all the times we tried to negotiate for a top player but ended up paying premium at the end because we're still not in a position of strength yet. We either pay what they want, or we quit. And given the possible returns over the next decade from such a young prodigy and the insane balance he'll add to our squad straightaway, we will not quit.
There will be a lot of posturing over the transfer window, a lot of drama with United trying we can to lower that price, but in the end we'll pay what Dortmund ask, and we'll get Sancho.
The most financially vulnerable phase of football is over. All stakeholders got hit unexpectedly, now they'll plan for it better. Leagues, clubs and consequently footballers at the very top will adapt to the new state of football and quickly create a new bubble for their systems to function anticipating second and third waves of the virus over the next couple of years. The TV deals will not massively drop because they'll have increased coverage during social distancing and lockdowns, and will structure their payouts with more detailed ifs and buts. Corners will be cut in the wake of the new methods of functioning of clubs, and diverted to PR in terms of charity or support to deflect criticism of that bubble. Another Maguire will ask for a 30% cut to charity, another Rashford will drive a strong social cause. Germany, Italy, Spain, France and England all receive massive amounts of much needed taxes from this footballing bubble and would be reluctant to interfere unless things are really really bad. If the leagues and clubs are already practicing the policies recommended and football keeps morale high, why should they interfere?
The bottom line, in my opinion, is that this is the only time when clubs will be so badly hit with the imbalance between revenue and expenses, and hence this is the only window where it is really bad for clubs to spend big. By next season, clubs at the top (only at the top) will be in better financial shape again, and will be willing to pay more for top players. There are a handful clubs who can pay 100m for a player if their finances are functioning as usual, but there's only one Jadon Sancho with a year left on his contract.
If I were Dortmund, I would quote the usual price for him, fully expecting no one to meet it and happy if someone does. Next year, someone or the other will pay a fortune for him nonetheless after a bidding war - there's enough evidence to be sure that he's no one season wonder. Even if he has a poor season and it means the fee is 30m-40m lesser, it shows that they won't be lowballed and they would have recouped some of that loss in his performances nonetheless with another good league/CL run.
I'm sure the money people at United know this, and I'm sure Ed would be looking back at all the times we tried to negotiate for a top player but ended up paying premium at the end because we're still not in a position of strength yet. We either pay what they want, or we quit. And given the possible returns over the next decade from such a young prodigy and the insane balance he'll add to our squad straightaway, we will not quit.
There will be a lot of posturing over the transfer window, a lot of drama with United trying we can to lower that price, but in the end we'll pay what Dortmund ask, and we'll get Sancho.
Sign him and Van de Beek, cut Lingard and Andreas and I think we are rocking it next year.
As good as ‘Here we go’
I still think he’s the perfect signing and as much as I like Greenwood, nothing is going to change my opinion on that. Sancho appears to be getting underrated now somewhat, he’s a very classy player and would have the perfect technical skills to compliment our current squad. I also firmly disagree with the idea we shouldn’t sign Sancho and should instead focus on improving the overall squad. That’s just not the way to improve the squad. You need to sign class players when you can who then subsequently relegate equally good players to the bench to replace the crap players. So In this example, Sancho comes in and replaces Greenwood, who then becomes the number one cover player for all of our front 4 positions.
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I think you’re looking too much into this. There’s plenty of good reasons why a clubs most valuable and marketable asset wouldn’t appear in their promotions for next seasons kit. It could be a contract issue.
Feck that I’m in full muppet mode right now! HEREWEGO!
I wonder did we get wind of the Sane to Bayern fee before it hit the press and thought lets use that as a guideline.
If so I sincerley hope now as thats as stupid as thinking we could get Sancho for 50 million.
Hopefully just posturing but still.
If so I sincerley hope now as thats as stupid as thinking we could get Sancho for 50 million.
Hopefully just posturing but still.
Agree, it would be transformative. Then buy a new LB and CB and we are good to go for a really exciting couple of seasons.
Now some other team will come in and buy him !
If we had bought Bruno before then we would have been better a long time before!
If we had bought Bruno before then we would have been better a long time before!
A lot depends on Sancho and I think the the pull of playing with Greenwood and Rashford is a strong one.
This . Sign those two and I think we are serious contenders
Imagine not wanting to be part of the greatest attack in the history of mankind. It's only a matter of time.
I reckon about £75m + Add-ons gets it done
It really doesn't matter how much we pay for a kid of his quality.
Sane is not comparable to Sancho though.
There are many factors you need to calculate in.
- Sane has only 1 year left on his contract - Sancho 2.
- Sane comes through a huge injury (no one knows if he comes back as good as he was yet, so it's a risk)
- Sane has lost a full year - Sancho has played almost the full season.
- Bayern is not known for paying huge fees - United is.
- City is not a selling club (they don't need money) - BVB is.
- Sancho is younger than Sane
- Sane only wanted to join Bayern, since last summer already
- There were no rumours of other teams competing for Sane (because he made his definite decision?)
etc.
And i don't think that BVB is as desperate due to the corona virus that they will sell Sancho for 50m. Never.
The question is: What is Sancho thinking? Will he push hard for a move? Does he only want to join United? Could he stay? Could he move elsewhere? etc.
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I think we’re seeing consistently players moving for less than potential estimated value so far to my knowledge nobody has moved for their perceived value it’s been a bit below.
I appreciate the difference which is why I wondered how much influence it may have if any.
I personally think it will be impossible now for BVB to say £100m for Sancho as a base fee as some have suggested. I think he’s nailed on for £70-80m plus add ons.
I also think the upturn in our form is strengthening our position.
Yeah, I’d agree with that. If they believe he’ll be committed if he stays, they are not selling him now unless it’s an outrageous offer or they really need the money now. They could probably sell him next year for 70-80m, depending on his season. Even with 1 year left on his contract. Clubs will overpay to get him over their rivals.
This. It all depends on Sancho's resolve, as in is it United only and this season for him or is he willing to consider other offers because if the player is relaxed about the move and is willing to go to other suitors you either pay the fee demanded or go home.
If only Dortmund wanted one of our players as a makeweight in the deal. @BenitoSTARR Those stats are good to have in here as I don't think most are that aware Sancho can plas an AM, he basically would give us a high quality option in all 3 positions behind the #9.
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