Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

[Ali Dia]

Watch as it takes us months to negotiate the exact price Dortmund wanted all along but made up of ad ons and structured payments. If I never see the phrase preparing a bid again I’ll be happy but I reckon we’ll be preparing to prepare all summer long. Sigh. It’s not like we haven’t been after him for 2 years is it.

 

[Compton22]

 

[croadyman]

Still confident that both parties will reach a compromise lower than 130m euros

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

I have a sneaky suspicion that City might be in for him too now that Sane looks like he is on his way out.

He wouldn't go there. What's the point of going back? They have no history or pull asides from money that we can offer and Guardiola who both aren't fond of each other

 

[romufc]

He wouldn't go there. What's the point of going back? They have no history or pull asides from money that we can offer and Guardiola who both aren't fond of each other

Well he was at City before so clearly there is a pull. City offer great wages and consistent CL football and have been challenging for the title for a good 10 years now.

 

[macheda14]

Exactly may, which is a probability. Some posters on here are acting as if it is just a formality.

But you’re equally talking in definitives saying ‘we won’t pay’

 

[lsd]

Yeah why join the biggest and best club in the world?

Hes going to Real now ?

 

[Hanky panky]

Still confident that both parties will reach a compromise lower than 130m euros

They will, IF Sancho really wants to join United. Which is still if. Usually it is perfect time to sell couple of years before contract ends. And Dortmund is a seller club. It would be more difficult to get maximum value next summer. Only problem is corona which maybe dropped prices.

 

[RkkMan]

Well he was at City before so clearly there is a pull. City offer great wages and consistent CL football and have been challenging for the title for a good 10 years now.

As it stands they are banned from playing in the CL and at City he will still be competing for a spot with Sterling/Mahrez at Utd he`s a guaranteed starter and we can easily beat City to player wages. Remember Alexis?(yes he flopped but thats not the point here)

 

[Garethw]

Just pay the fecking money. Another season of Daniel fecking James occupying the RW position is going to send me bonkers!

 

[-Supreme-]

Just pay the fecking money. Another season of Daniel fecking James occupying the RW position is going to send me bonkers!

How good is Sancho on the right side? In the PL he won't get much space if he stays wide and given he (along with James) is right footed so this makes it even harder to influence play and cut in

 

[Adisa]

Just pay the fecking money. Another season of Daniel fecking James occupying the RW position is going to send me bonkers!

Problem is we don't have the fecking money.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Problem is we don't have the fecking money.

And we've potentially just fell 2 pts further behind 4th.

We may still need to win the EL yet.....

 

[Utdstar01]

And we've potentially just fell 2 pts further behind 4th.

We may still need to win the EL yet.....

We may not need 4th. See what happens with City. Until then, keep getting points on the board and take Europa league seriously after. Chelsea still have to play City, Liverpool, Leicester and Wolves.

We have just Leicester and a pretty favourable run in after Sheffield United, who i fancy us to beat.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

We may not need 4th. See what happens with City. Until then, keep getting points on the board and take Europa league seriously after. Chelsea still have to play City, Liverpool, Leicester and Wolves.

We have just Leicester and a pretty favourable run in after Sheffield United, who i fancy us to beat.

Unfortunately though City and Liverpool won't need anything against them. I expect Chelsea could take 4 pts from those fixtures where under usual circumstances they may have got 0.

Think we are up against it now for 4th if they win this weekend which I think they will. But as you say 5th might well be enough anyway.

 

[Rozay]

How good is Sancho on the right side? In the PL he won't get much space if he stays wide and given he (along with James) is right footed so this makes it even harder to influence play and cut in

Unlike James, he is not reliant on acres of space.

 

[Utdstar01]

Unfortunately though City and Liverpool won't need anything against them. I expect Chelsea could take 4 pts from those fixtures where under usual circumstances they may have got 0.

Think we are up against it now for 4th if they win this weekend which I think they will. But as you say 5th might well be enough anyway.

You could've said that when City played Arsenal. Liverpool will be chasing the points total record.

 

[-Supreme-]

Unlike James, he is not reliant on acres of space.

Yes I have no doubt about that but playing on the right being a right footed player is not easy in the PL.

 

[Adnan]

Yes I have no doubt about that but playing on the right being a right footed player is not easy in the PL.

He is a playmaker on the right with brilliant dribbling ability. At BVB he has Hakimi bombing forward and linking up with Sancho which opens up space which inturn provides even more attacking options. The issue for Sancho won't be Daniel James but rather who is playing behind him at RB imo. If we're to make the most of our attacking capabilities going forward and to function as a attacking unit we need our fullbacks to support the wing forwards which would bring out the best in players like Sancho.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

Having been subjected to another Dan James masterclass, just pay the money & be done with it.

It’s not my cash.

 

[-Supreme-]

He is a playmaker on the right with brilliant dribbling ability. At BVB he has Hakimi bombing forward and linking up with Sancho which opens up space which inturn provides even more attacking options. The issue for Sancho won't be Daniel James but rather who is playing behind him at RB imo. If we're to make the most of our attacking capabilities going forward and to function as a attacking unit we need our fullbacks to support the wing forwards which would bring out the best in players like Sancho.

I just feel the space he gets in the bundesliga can't be underestimated

And I don't think we can expect Ole to push our full backs high up in the pitch when we have Pogba and Bruno in the team is just unrealistic and we will get punished in the PL

I'm not as convinced as most of us on here that Sancho can deliver for our right side, I don't want ending up with yet another player that is better suited on the left.

 

[Adnan]

I just feel the space he gets in the bundesliga can't be underestimated

And I don't think we can expect Ole to push our full backs high up in the pitch when we have Pogba and Bruno in the team is just unrealistic and we will get punished in the PL

I'm not as convinced as most of us on here that Sancho can deliver for our right side, I don't want ending up with yet another player that is better suited on the left.

Sancho can perform without much space due to his fantastic first touch and technique to go along with his superb decision making, passing and dribbling. He's a completely different level of player to Daniel James and can contribute without space for the reasons mentioned above.

You play Pogba in a double pivot and Fernandes slightly more advanced. Fernandes is also a player that is tactically very flexible and has high work rate, so he can adjust to different scenarios in a game. For example, Fernandes can drop deeper if Pogba is caught too high up the pitch to maintain balance.

Ole has gone on record and stated he expects more from his fullbacks going forward and said they must improve in that regard. And IMO the reason for him saying that is due to fullbacks being a very important weapon in today's game.

 

[-Supreme-]

Sancho can perform without much space due to his fantastic first touch and technique to go along with his superb decision making, passing and dribbling. He's a completely different level of player to Daniel James and can contribute without space for the reasons mentioned above.

You play Pogba in a double pivot and Fernandes slightly more advanced. Fernandes is also a player that is tactically very flexible and has high work rate, so he can adjust to different scenarios in a game. For example, Fernandes can drop deeper if Pogba is caught too high up the pitch to maintain balance.

Ole has gone on record and stated he expects more from his fullbacks going forward and said they must improve in that regard. And IMO the reason for him saying that is due to fullbacks being a very important weapon in today's game.

I have no doubt he is an upgrade on James and we shouldn't use this as our expectations when bringing in a right sided specialist

I'm aware that Ole will expect more from his fullbacks going forward however he also needs players to give the team balance when it comes to defending which I feel it's a big ask of Pogba.

If you look at the Liverpools team their midfield consists of many runners with much greater defensive disciplines and I have my doubts how we can achieve this by playing both Bruno and Pogba in the same team and also pushing our full backs high up in the pitch. It's not realistic imo...

 

[Cee90]

Just pay the fecking money. Another season of Daniel fecking James occupying the RW position is going to send me bonkers!

This.

 

[Adisa]

I just feel the space he gets in the bundesliga can't be underestimated

And I don't think we can expect Ole to push our full backs high up in the pitch when we have Pogba and Bruno in the team is just unrealistic and we will get punished in the PL

I'm not as convinced as most of us on here that Sancho can deliver for our right side, I don't want ending up with yet another player that is better suited on the left.

City push fullbacks with an attacking central midfield.

 

[-Supreme-]

City push fullbacks with an attacking central midfield.

Yes but we don't play anywhere like city with the procession of the ball.

Anyhow - my point here is that Sancho is definitely an upgrade on anyone we have right now but we need to be mindful spending 100m on him and expect him to be just as productive in the PL as he has been for BVB

 

[Adnan]

I have no doubt he is an upgrade on James and we shouldn't use this as our expectations when bringing in a right sided specialist

I'm aware that Ole will expect more from his fullbacks going forward however he also needs players to give the team balance when it comes to defending which I feel it's a big ask of Pogba.

If you look at the Liverpools team their midfield consists of many runners with much greater defensive disciplines and I have my doubts how we can achieve this by playing both Bruno and Pogba in the same team and also pushing our full backs high up in the pitch. It's not realistic imo...

I don't think anyone is using Daniel James as the barometer for wanting Jadon Sancho. Most of us want him due to his ability as a footballer on either side and his skillset. He's not only just a player that plays on the flank but also contributes greatly to the build up and has been putting up fantastic numbers to go with that. He provides a multi-faceted threat due to a combination of stand out attributes he has and I've highlighted those attributes in my earlier post.

Pogba might not be great in a defensive sense but isn't as bad as some make him out to be imo. In games where we're up against quality opposition, Fernandes can play a more disciplined role. The issue isn't so much as Pogba and Fernandes but rather who plays with Pogba in the double pivot. Someone like Zakaria or Partey would be good imo. Both players cover ground superbly and can distribute the ball to a good level which would be superb alongside both Pogba and Fernandes. Both Pogba and Fernandes can play disciplined roles in games where we play quality opposition.

Liverpool play with Henderson as a #8 and that's a role Fernandes could easily replicate imo. The only difference being that Henderson isn't as talented on the ball as Fernandes but Fernandes can match the Liverpool man for defensive output off the ball if asked to do so in a tactical sense. Liverpool have also tried and failed thus far to bring in a more attack minded player in midfield. The only thing in midfield they have on us is Wijnaldum and Fabinho.

 

[-Supreme-]

I don't think anyone is using Daniel James as the barometer for wanting Jadon Sancho. Most of us want him due to his ability as a footballer on either side and his skillset. He's not only just a player that plays on the flank but also contributes greatly to the build up and has been putting up fantastic numbers to go with that. He provides a multi-faceted threat due to a combination of stand out attributes he has and I've highlighted those attributes in my earlier post.

Pogba might not be great in a defensive sense but isn't as bad as some make him out to be imo. In games where we're up against quality opposition, Fernandes can play a more disciplined role. The issue isn't so much as Pogba and Fernandes but rather who plays with Pogba in the double pivot. Someone like Zakaria or Partey would be good imo. Both players cover ground superbly and can distribute the ball to a good level which would be superb alongside both Pogba and Fernandes. Both Pogba and Fernandes can play disciplined roles in games where we play quality opposition.

Liverpool play with Henderson as a #8 and that's a role Fernandes could easily replicate imo. The only difference being that Henderson isn't as talented on the ball as Fernandes but Fernandes can match the Liverpool man for defensive output off the ball if asked to do so in a tactical sense. Liverpool have also tried and failed thus far to bring in a more attack minded player in midfield. The only thing in midfield they have on us is Wijnaldum and Fabinho.

I don't dispute Sancho's creativity and his playmaking ability but it will be interesting to see how he copes in the PL with much less space given ahead of him.

Bruno is a hard working midfielder but I don't think we can compare him with Henderson in the role he operates for Liverpool, I have no doubt Bruno can do a job there but to say he can be just as effective is very optimistic to say the least imo

Let's see how Ole is planning to fit this group of players once the summer has gone, perhaps 1 or 2 will make room but who knows

 

[Adnan]

I don't dispute Sancho's creativity and his playmaking ability but it will be interesting to see how he copes in the PL with much less space given ahead of him.

Bruno is a hard working midfielder but I don't think we can compare him with Henderson in the role he operates for Liverpool, I have no doubt Bruno can do a job there but to say he can be just as effective is very optimistic to say the least imo

Let's see how Ole is planning to fit this group of players once the summer has gone, perhaps 1 or 2 will make room but who knows

Bruno can operate as a more disciplined #8, but can also provide better play making qualities. It seems you're pigeonholing both Pogba and Fernandes using their vastly superior ability on the ball in comparison to the likes of Henderson and coming to the conclusion they can't play in a more disciplined manner.

Also Man Utd should expect to win 75% of games they're involved in. And approaching the game with both Pogba and Fernandes is a proactive approach rather than the reactive one we've seen for too long. We should impose our game on the opposition rather than think too much about the opposition unless we're playing a direct rival.

 

[-Supreme-]

Bruno can operate as a more disciplined #8, but can also provide better play making qualities. It seems you're pigeonholing both Pogba and Fernandes using their vastly superior ability on the ball in comparison to the likes of Henderson and coming to the conclusion they can't play in a more disciplined manner.

Also Man Utd should expect to win 75% of games they're involved in. And approaching the game with both Pogba and Fernandes is a proactive approach rather than the reactive one we've seen for too long. We should impose our game on the opposition rather than think too much about the opposition unless we're playing a direct rival.

I just feel it's a little bit premature to say Bruno can perform as well as Henderson given the latter has performed to a high degree for Liverpool and has become one of their key players in winning the CL and PL.

To keep in topic...I hope I'm wrong regarding Sanchos suitability for this right sided role...and with the emergence of Greenwood perhaps he can become this player also...but next season may be just little too soon...

 

[red thru&thru]

Problem is we don't have the fecking money.

We do have the money. Do we want to spend such an amount on one player? Not really.

 

[Godfather]

Could do with him couldn't we. Never believed it can happen though and still don't.

 

[Adnan]

I just feel it's a little bit premature to say Bruno can perform as well as Henderson given the latter has performed to a high degree for Liverpool and has become one of their key players in winning the CL and PL.

To keep in topic...I hope I'm wrong regarding Sanchos suitability for this right sided role...and with the emergence of Greenwood perhaps he can become this player also...but next season may be just little too soon...

Henderson is a plodder that has high work rate and isn't anything special. The Liverpool comparison is also a flawed one because their lack of creativity in midfield could be exploited by taking out their fullbacks which we have done under Solskjaer twice with a severely weakened team on one occasion.

Sancho would be superb as a right sided playmaker. Think more Robert Pires with him rather than a winger in a traditional sense.

 

[Adisa]

Yes but we don't play anywhere like city with the procession of the ball.

Anyhow - my point here is that Sancho is definitely an upgrade on anyone we have right now but we need to be mindful spending 100m on him and expect him to be just as productive in the PL as he has been for BVB

I think most people are under no illusuons about how tough it will be for him.

 

[Adisa]

We do have the money. Do we want to spend such an amount on one player? Not really.

If the figures quoted are true, I don't think we do. Remember that Dortmund would want a huge pertcentage up front in cash.

 

[red thru&thru]

If the figures quoted are true, I don't think we do. Remember that Dortmund would want a huge pertcentage up front in cash.

Like I say, our finances show we can afford the price quoted. But why put ourselves in the position we have in the past? We were paying over the odds post Fergie and it had to stop. Under Ole we have. Yes we have paid big fees, however, within our means. It would be nonsensical to spend so much on one player, with 0 guarantees he will come good. Look at Barca with the likes of Coutinho & Demebele. PSG with the like of Mbappe & Neymar (these guys were bought to win the CL).

 

[-Supreme-]

Henderson is a plodder that has high work rate and isn't anything special. The Liverpool comparison is also a flawed one because their lack of creativity in midfield could be exploited by taking out their fullbacks which we have done under Solskjaer twice with a severely weakened team on one occasion.

Sancho would be superb as a right sided playmaker. Think more Robert Pires with him rather than a winger in a traditional sense.

Pires is a good example, but he played on the left side.

Again...perhaps I'm too hung up with Sancho being right footed but to me this is fairly important especially when he will cut in often

 

[Adnan]

Pires is a good example, but he played on the left side.

Again...perhaps I'm too hung up with Sancho being right footed but to me this is fairly important especially when he will cut in often

He played exclusively on the right side last season at BVB. But in the current season he's played the majority of the games on the right side and Favre has also used him as a mobile attacking midfielder on a number of occassions.

He can basically play all across the line in the forward positions and provides tactical flexibility.

 

[Adnan]

I think Sancho could push for a move and BVB won't ask for a lump sum upfront.

Could be wrong of course but I see it playing out like that especially after Zorc's quote yesterday to German media where he stated he was concerned about the situation. Maybe the concern is due to Sancho making it clear he wants out?

 

[red thru&thru]

Last game of the season for BVB today? I'm sure we will start hearing more on this after today.