Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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Basically, we can have him now for 108 mil. Mostly up front (rumour is 60-70mil), some instalments but no performance based add ons. Ole wants him and seemingly had put pressure on Ed to get the dead done. The glazers just have to approve us spending that amount. Ed in the meantime is going to try and haggle the price down then when we get close to October 5th, if a deal isn't done we either pay what they want or we say the deal isn't happening.

That's pretty much everything right?
 
Mickeza said:
We’ve received good signals that they’re still willing to sell for 120 million...I thought we were trying to get it below that and now we’re happy the price hasn’t got higher :lol:
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One word: Fellaini
 
Adcuth said:
Basically, we can have him now for 108 mil. Mostly up front (rumour is 60-70mil), some instalments but no performance based add ons. Ole wants him and seemingly had put pressure on Ed to get the dead done. The glazers just have to approve us spending that amount. Ed in the meantime is going to try and haggle the price down then when we get close to October 5th, if a deal isn't done we either pay what they want or we say the deal isn't happening.

That's pretty much everything right?
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Yeah that sums it up in a nutshell apart from would maybe say they are looking for nearer 80 mil upfront
 
The only way I would be happy if we don’t get Sancho is if we get Renguilon and Thiago.

Would rather play Greenwood there than get a quick fix before going back in for Sancho. Yes it’s not his preferred position but it is still first team experience and game time.
 
Mourinho had wanted 5 players and they gave him 2 - Fred and Dalot.
LVG asked for certain players and they gave him 4th or 5th choice.
It's the same story again this time round.
 
christinaa said:
Mourinho had wanted 5 players and they gave him 2 - Fred and Dalot.
LVG asked for certain players and they gave him 4th or 5th choice.
It's the same story again this time round.
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Listening to who Van Gaal says he wanted there’s no surprise we gave him players lower down in the list. Sergio Ramos and Muller are two examples that come to mind.
 
TheHeya said:
The only way I would be happy if we don’t get Sancho is if we get Renguilon and Thiago.

Would rather play Greenwood there than get a quick fix before going back in for Sancho. Yes it’s not his preferred position but it is still first team experience and game time.
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I think the issue is this there is no one to cover for Greenwood in our squad unfortunately. The drop off in quality there is huge.
 
TheHeya said:
The only way I would be happy if we don’t get Sancho is if we get Renguilon and Thiago.

Would rather play Greenwood there than get a quick fix before going back in for Sancho. Yes it’s not his preferred position but it is still first team experience and game time.
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Who would you play when Greenwood,Rashford and Martial need a break in the 60 game season?

I don’t think you’ll find anyone whonhas A issue with Greenwood being a starter but we 100% need a strong 4th option for the season.
 
Posh Red said:
I think the issue is this there is no one to cover for Greenwood in our squad unfortunately. The drop off in quality there is huge.
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At this point i'd play Pogba as the RW back up, not even joking. Give him a free role to just go and create.
 
macheda14 said:
Listening to who Van Gaal says he wanted there’s no surprise we gave him players lower down in the list. Sergio Ramos and Muller are two examples that come to mind.
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I remember he wanted to buy Mane when he was at Soton and the suggestion got laughed to high heavens online and on the caf :lol:

Surely some of his other targets like Ramos, Neymar, Muller and Kroos (even though he apparently was open to the idea per his own words) were unrealistic but there were quite a few targets of his I don't get why we didn't pull the trigger on like Mahrez, Hummels, Kante and Mane
 
romufc said:
Every source that says we are still in negotiations is only doing one thing, click bait.

We all know, if United pay 120m Euros he will be sold, its nothing new.

We all know United will not pay that upfront.

It's a bit boring that everyone is jumping onto every source that says Dortmund will sell, negotiations are on-going.

We all know the situation is 120m or bye.
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Honestly, at this point I'm not even certain of that. Yeah, I think on the balance of probabilities if United pony up the cash we'll get Sancho. However, would it be that shocking if Dortmund turned around and said: 'Nah, season's started and we can't get a quality replacement. Sorry better luck next summer'?
 
Even if this guy is briefed by Ole, this means nothing. The key question still is whether the club is willing to pay 120m for Sancho. The manager may just be trying to set the record right that it wasn't Dortmund that was being stubborn.

Or this could be completely made up by the journalist.
 
#07 said:
Honestly, at this point I'm not even certain of that. Yeah, I think on the balance of probabilities if United pony up the cash we'll get Sancho. However, would it be that shocking if Dortmund turned around and said: 'Nah, season's started and we can't get a quality replacement. Sorry better luck next summer'?
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Not sure about that as they genuinely want the money. Think they'd snap your arm off for that right now - they know Sancho DOES want to leave eventually and they're managing to keep him happy in the mean time.

He's obviously being respectful to them which is great, but I don't think he will sign a new contract and they'll lose more and more money every year.
 
#07 said:
Honestly, at this point I'm not even certain of that. Yeah, I think on the balance of probabilities if United pony up the cash we'll get Sancho. However, would it be that shocking if Dortmund turned around and said: 'Nah, season's started and we can't get a quality replacement. Sorry better luck next summer'?
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Yeah surely they would need time in order to get a replacement
 
DarkDog said:
First of all, go watch our net spend. Second go see when we spend the money. Then see the quality of the players that we buy. I will tell you why we buy players that are not on our level.
What is happening at you club, is that we miss out on CL. Then we go out and spend LOTS of money on players who are in between Europa League and Champions league quality. Good enough to compete in Europa League, not good enough to compete in Champions League.
Basically we buy players that are willing to play in Europa League (Sancho is not, that is why we didnt buy him last year and why we wont buy him next year)
when we miss out on CL football, other clubs know that we want to get back there and have to spend money, so they rinse lots of money from us for average talent. Then next year we have (usually have) CL football, Glazers have achieved their goal and dont want to spend money. Average talent will get their 25% increase to their wages because of CL football. We don't have enough money to spent to achieve anything good (because of the financial restrictions the Glazers have put on ourselves), so we will miss out on CL football. And the circle happens again, but now we have bad players, on high wages who cant go to other clubs because they are not good enough but get paid more money then they should.

And now the other reason. This is because Edward Woodward is a monkey at the wheel. He will drive somewhere, but doesn't really know where, just keeps steering us, maybe to the edge of the cliff, maybe to the promised land, but either way it won't be because he knows where, or how. Like our transfers starting from Fellaini. He waited out the transfer clause to expire just because he thought he would get better price later. Spoiler - he didn't. Mata was bench warmer for Chelsea when we paid 46 million pounds for him. He was not the same players that he was when he came to the league. But chelsea rinsed us, because they are much better run football club.
Then we bought Di Maria for 75 million, when Real Madrid were desperate to get rid of him. Again. well run football club against our muppets. That is what happens.
Then Schneiderlin, Depay and Darmian. all players who are not on our level for stupid prices.
Our only good window was 2016 when Mino Raiola single handedly negotiated with Juve, BVB and with us. He got us Zlatan, Mikhi and Pogba.
Then Alexis happened. Edward paid so much just because City wanted Alexis on a free. But still Jose got us second in the league. With Pogba injured many months. I really believe that was Jose at his best. In every other season that would have been our league title. And then came the summer when we really needed to spend money. Second in the league, back in the Champions League. we had won against City, we knew that we could compete with them, maybe were better than them, we just needed to spend, get Jose what he wanted. And we didnt. He wanted Maguire. Leicester City wanted 60 mil for him. Edward wouldn't pay that. thought he would get him cheaper. (got him year later for 80 mil) Edward Woodward bought Jose 3rd goalkeeper, right back for our reserves and 3rd choice DM.
And all because Glazers had already achieved what they wanted. CL football.
remember when Jose came out and said that if this was any other FC, he would quit on the spot? It was not out of respect for Glazers and Woodward. It was out of respect for Sir Alex, Sir Bobby and the crest.
Spending and spending is different. Look at Chelsea. They buy good players because they know that those players are good enough for Real Madrid. They know that they can flip any on them into bigger money every season. Chelsea are making money every year. Just like RM are. RM are selling good players every year. because they have good scouting and they trust their scouting. Chelsea, Liverpool, Real Madrid, PSG. They are all run buy good businessmen. We on the other hand are run by people who go and offer 60 million to BVB for Sancho. Wage cut to Sancho.
We were That football club in 2003. We are far from that now. That is not because of 'Rona, or the climate. There is only one problem in our football club and it is the Glazers. Woodward and Judge and every inadequate person running our transfers is starting from Glazers.


feck, sorry for the long post.
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Great post, don’t be sorry!
 
macheda14 said:
Listening to who Van Gaal says he wanted there’s no surprise we gave him players lower down in the list. Sergio Ramos and Muller are two examples that come to mind.
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Well he had also mentioned Mahrez, Hummels, Kante and Mane.

The thing is we are 4 days off from the start of the season and we had UCL qualification on the 26th of July.
Here we are with Donny and nobody else.

......and next month our owners will be taking their dividends out of our club!
 
I'm unsure how United aren't paying the money still.

The reality is the following:
  • Dortmund are unlikely to win the league, they'll finish 2nd or 3rd
  • Dortmund with or without Sancho will finish either 2nd of 3rd because of their squad
  • Keeping Sancho would actually increase his value, he will only be worth more as he develops more
  • Dortmund have set a £108M value on Sancho which is a fair valuation considering his age and his output
  • United need Sancho because they lack a RW and have done, especially since Ronaldo leaving in 2009
  • United have missed out on key targets in the past including Eden Hazard (which was obviously a bad moment for the club)
  • United have a free run at Sancho, they have the money and there's no other team competing for him.
  • United have also said that he is the number one priority this summer.
If Sancho doesn't sign for United the board really do need to have a word with themselves.

Looking at 'Bale' as an alternative on Loan is really not the solution long-term.

I'd take Bale on loan and Sancho sure, but any situation where Sancho doesn't sign is disastrous.
 
Naive muppets. You need to adopt the Fridge chutney approach. Remove any possibility of this deal from happening from your mind. Keep your expectations low. When the deal fails, you will have already accepted it and pain will be minimized. If on the offchance the deal happens, the surprise and joy will be greater.
 
Fridge chutney said:
Naive muppets. You need to adopt the Fridge chutney approach. Remove any possibility of this deal from happening from your mind. Keep your expectations low. When the deal fails, you will have already accepted it and pain will be minimized. If on the offchance the deal happens, the surprise and joy will be greater.
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The Fridge Chutney approach? are you going to release a self help book for the fellow Muppets if he doesn't sign?

"Seven simple steps of overcoming a failed summer window"
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Who’s this dude?
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He apparently has connections with Solskjaer and United. This dude recently popped up with all of these United-related stories. I'm not sure if he has solid sources, but everything he's reported is in line with the briefs and what other journalists have reported.
 
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