Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch

[Nogbadthebad]

Even if its nonsense, stories that your club are willing to pay to NOT buy you, and people totally believing it could happen, must be a wake up call for sancho surely.

If that doesn't make him get his head down and work, nothing ever will.

 

[Tallis]

Not sure it works like that.

Loans within the jurisdiction of the FA are one thing. Loans(temporary transfers) to non FA affiliated clubs are another.

I am pretty sure if he returns to Man Utd his pay and conditions would revert to the original agreement if they don’t it would in effect be a new deal which I very much doubt he would be advised to sign

I didn’t explain it well. I agree that if he returns to Man Utd, the terms revert to the contract we have with him.

What I am saying is that there is only 1 year of contract remaining with Man Utd. So it’s easy for us to pay off part of his salary and sell him to someone. The new club doesn’t have to pay him what we are paying him and is free to agree whatever wages they think suitable and acceptable to Sancho. If he had 3-4 years of contract remaining, he would be very difficult to get rid off due to his wages

 

[terraloo]

Show me examples of all these obligation to buy transfers that have not been completed.

Please read my post again.

 

[Woziak]

I hope he still goes, but after his "Freedom" message to Rashford it would at least be somewhat funny to see him sit on the bench here next year.

Even if its nonsense, stories that your club are willing to pay to NOT buy you, and people totally believing it could happen, must be a wake up call for sancho surely.

If that doesn't make him get his head down and work, nothing ever will.

When you give a 21 year old a 5 year contract with £250-300k per week it’s just far too much, why would he get his head down when he’s already convinced himself that everyone else is at fault, Jadon has become the epitome of a the modern generation, he’ll sleep easy next season knowing our club will stay owe him £13m for one more season.

And he probably thinks he can get another huge contract at 25/26 as he’ll go a free after a loan next season. United must sell this clown in the summer even if it’s £15m break even fee just get rid, he’s everything that was wrong about the last decade at our club.

 

[Woziak]

Chelsea are not going to back out of an obligation. If they do it for no reason other than changing their mind, no other club would want to do that type of deal with them again.

Totally agree it looks there might have been some hidden residuals like a bonus for top 4 taking the total transfer fee to nearer £30m plus an increased loan fee.

INEOS are definitely a lot of things but naive in negotiating transfers and player contracts is not one.

Chelsea must have agreed wages with Jadon as well for the deal to be ratified as a loan with an obligation to buy. Jadon would not have accepted less than £200k per week which is £70k more than Cole Palmer!

I think this is the real issue , Chelsea have had Jadon for 9 months and worked out already that’s he’s not worth £25m and he’s definitely not worth £200k per week for 5 years.

However it’s a loan with an obligation so they will have to do the deal, either way United win, they’ll be quite happy to take the £10-£15m penalty payment and then ship Jadon off to Bundersliga or Saudi for another
£15-20m.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Please read my post again.

Your posts on this are nonsense.

 

[duffer]

Totally agree it looks there might have been some hidden residuals like a bonus for top 4 taking the total transfer fee to nearer £30m plus an increased loan fee.

20 to 25 mil based on where Chelsea finished was reported by pretty much everyone who reported on the deal. Why would it now be 20 to 30 mil?

And there can't be "an increased loan fee" as there was no loan fee if we're believing what was reported.

If we're not believing what was reported then fair enough, Man United fans can say they're getting £100 mil and Chelsea fans can say we're paying £20k.

 

[Teja]

So the whole culture reset is off then. Let's get Rashford back in and his mate Jesse while we're at it. Oh and Pogba isn't busy at the moment either. Sounds like a promising team that!

I'm sure Amorim won't shy away from enforcing standards. Sancho wouldn't be around for very long if he goes back to his fifa playing ways and not turning up for training / not putting in a shift. You can also choose to loan him out after giving him half a season under Amorim. I'm generally not too worried about the cultural reset part of the equation.

If you're evaluating just his ability, I think he could do a better job than Eriksen at #10 as a rotation option and would rather have him than an extra 6m or whatever we get by sending him on loan.

 

[terraloo]

Totally agree it looks there might have been some hidden residuals like a bonus for top 4 taking the total transfer fee to nearer £30m plus an increased loan fee.

INEOS are definitely a lot of things but naive in negotiating transfers and player contracts is not one.

Chelsea must have agreed wages with Jadon as well for the deal to be ratified as a loan with an obligation to buy. Jadon would not have accepted less than £200k per week which is £70k more than Cole Palmer!

I think this is the real issue , Chelsea have had Jadon for 9 months and worked out already that’s he’s not worth £25m and he’s definitely not worth £200k per week for 5 years.

However it’s a loan with an obligation so they will have to do the deal, either way United win, they’ll be quite happy to take the £10-£15m penalty payment and then ship Jadon off to Bundersliga or Saudi for another
£15-20m.

The reports suggest that in most instances where there is an obligation to buy the players wages are agreed as part of the loan to buy deal but in this instance it is stated that there isn’t an agreement in place between Sancho and Chelsea. If an agreement can’t be reached or isn’t reached then the players simply wouldn’t join Chelsea. Irrespective I very much doubt he would be paid close to £200k a week nor would I expect him to be offered a deal in excess of 5 years.Utd will still have to pay the balance of his initial signing on fee be he staying or leaving

Over the years players have gone to other clubs on obligation to buy and those conditions haven’t been met for instance Bakyoko some conditions are obvious others simply don’t come to light indeed none of us knew about the


It was pretty clear that Utd wanted him out the door this deal was signed very late into the window and Chelsea it seems , again according to reports, if the deal goes ahead will pay between £20 and £25 million based on where Chelsea finish up.

Utd won’t be happy if the deal doesn’t go ahead it’s pretty clear that he is a significant drag on the balance sheet with at least £30 million left to be amortised and him contracted wage wise to be paid around another £30 million.

 

[Woziak]

The reports suggest that in most instances where there is an obligation to buy the players wages are agreed as part of the loan to buy deal but in this instance it is stated that there isn’t an agreement in place between Sancho and Chelsea. If an agreement can’t be reached or isn’t reached then the players simply wouldn’t join Chelsea. Irrespective I very much doubt he would be paid close to £200k a week nor would I expect him to be offered a deal in excess of 5 years.Utd will still have to pay the balance of his initial signing on fee be he staying or leaving

Over the years players have gone to other clubs on obligation to buy and those conditions haven’t been met for instance Bakyoko some conditions are obvious others simply don’t come to light indeed none of us knew about the


It was pretty clear that Utd wanted him out the door this deal was signed very late into the window and Chelsea it seems , again according to reports, if the deal goes ahead will pay between £20 and £25 million based on where Chelsea finish up.

Utd won’t be happy if the deal doesn’t go ahead it’s pretty clear that he is a significant drag on the balance sheet with at least £30 million left to be amortised and him contracted wage wise to be paid around another £30 million.

He has one year left as an asset on the book from summer of 25/26 so your most definitely incorrect on that his amortised cost is £73m divided by 5 which is £14.6m which is what United will owe Dortmund and as an asset his amortised costs is now £14.6m plus his rumoured £13m wages which would be reduced by 25% next season as no champions league football.
So his cost to return for one year from 2025/26 season would be roughly £24.3m not £60m.

United would only have to agree £14.6m for the transfer to be neutral on the balance sheet. It’s common misconception that’s he’s only been at United for 3 years when this loan to Chelsea is his 4th year at the club having had a loan to Dortmund in his third year and being pretty awful in his first two.

If you look up his contract your see he signed for United in 21/22 season so 24/25 season is his 4th year. Glad to clear that up for you.

 

[Woziak]

i wonder if Sancho will be up for some sun and fun in Saudi

Yep this is what I’m thinking, he clearly just wants huge wages and isn’t really bothered about chasing domestic and European honours.

I mean he’s 25 in a couple of weeks, so he might think 2 years in Saudi with huge wages then come back to Europe.

All the Saudis need to do is show him a swanky flat with Gold PS5 and 120 inch screen with COD and the new FIFA on it and he’ll probably sign instantly.

 

[Woziak]

20 to 25 mil based on where Chelsea finished was reported by pretty much everyone who reported on the deal. Why would it now be 20 to 30 mil?

And there can't be "an increased loan fee" as there was no loan fee if we're believing what was reported.

If we're not believing what was reported then fair enough, Man United fans can say they're getting £100 mil and Chelsea fans can say we're paying £20k.

We’re not getting £100m it’s nothing like that however there are bonus clauses for Chelsea achieving CL qualification, you may be right it’s probably a max of £25m however on twitter earlier some people were suggesting it could be up to €28-30m with a bonus loan fee for CL qualification and the penalty might be as high as €15-17.5m?
I Must apologise the twitter feeds where Euros not pounds which does suggest that £25m is a maximum.

I doubt any of it is true but the one thing both United and Chelsea fans can agree on, is that he’s not worth more than £100-120k per week and the intensity and Pace of the PL doesn’t really suit his game.

I genuinely admire Chelsea for sticking to the guns that no young player will be paid in excess of £150,000 per week.

The days of paying any PL player over £200k per week are soon coming to an end, only genuine World Elite Stars that do it week in week out for a period of three to four years consistently deserve these sort of huge contracts and only when they are 23 to 25.

 

[always_hoping]

Seen a stat he hasn't completed a cross or had a shot on target in 2025

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

How do you know there is a legally binding obligation to do anything?

Seriously? So any deal, be it reported by Romano, Ornstein, The Athletic… our posts are now “yeah, but how do you know?”

Putting aside its Wheeler (so (1) it’ll be bollocks about United and (2) whatever he says, it’s the opposite), surely you have an idea of how football deals work? It’s a loan with an obligation (set wording)... It’s contractual (it has to be under football rules)… That makes it legally binding.

The amount is based on league position and some add ons (which Chelsea have zero chance at), so it’s likely c£20m.

 

[terraloo]

He has one year left as an asset on the book from summer of 25/26 so your most definitely incorrect on that his amortised cost is £73m divided by 5 which is £14.6m which is what United will owe Dortmund and as an asset his amortised costs is now £14.6m plus his rumoured £13m wages which would be reduced by 25% next season as no champions league football.
So his cost to return for one year from 2025/26 season would be roughly £24.3m not £60m.

United would only have to agree £14.6m for the transfer to be neutral on the balance sheet. It’s common misconception that’s he’s only been at United for 3 years when this loan to Chelsea is his 4th year at the club having had a loan to Dortmund in his third year and being pretty awful in his first two.

If you look up his contract your see he signed for United in 21/22 season so 24/25 season is his 4th year. Glad to clear that up for you.

In the 24/25 year there will be £15 million ish to be amortised and in 25/26 another £15 million ish so that’s £30 million. The fact he is on loan in 24/25 is irrelevant
irrespective a £14.6 million fee won’t pay or have a neutral impact on the balance sheet once you add in all the little niceties such as nic, agents fees balance of signing of fees it’s almost certainly way above that number

 

[Woziak]

In the 24/25 year there will be £15 million ish to be amortised and in 25/26 another £15 million ish so that’s £30 million. The fact he is on loan in 24/25 is irrelevant
irrespective a £14.6 million fee won’t pay or have a neutral impact on the balance sheet once you add in all the little niceties such as nic, agents fees balance of signing of fees it’s almost certainly way above that number

The 24/25 season is over when he returns in August. The season ends the 30th June 2025 and all the accounts for that season are posted in September 2025. This season costs have been paid already in September 2024.

I’m sure you saw SJR interview when he clearly said we have roughly £89m to pay for players that INEOS did not buy like Casemiro, Hojlund, Antony, Sancho. That payment will be our last instalment for Jadon Sancho in September 2025 and then his yearly amortised fee of £14.6m will show in the 25/26 accounts which will be posted in September 2026.

The footballing accounting period for 24/25 season finishes on 30th June 2025. The cost of the instalment is normally made at the beginning of the season however on the accounts it will show as an annual amortised cost against the Asset of the player for the length of his contract.

This is why SJR was being very factual about paying for players in September that he never bought.

You can’t buy a player on an instalment plan that joins in August 2021 for £73m and then pay your first payment of £14.6m in September 2022 and move your amortisation for that player by 1 year as well.

The transfer window normally finishes in September and this is when player’s agent fees, registration and full payment or first of an agreed instalment payment plan are made. When a player is sold the team that buys that player pays his Agent Fees, not the selling club, the only part where you are correct would be that if United sold Jadon, the club may need to agree a pay off due to his high wages however I highly doubt INEOS would entertain that, they’d just let him rot in the youth set up for a year or loan him out for the last season of his contract and then let him became a free agent.