Jadon Sancho - Chelsea (loan) watch

[Nogbadthebad]

Even if its nonsense, stories that your club are willing to pay to NOT buy you, and people totally believing it could happen, must be a wake up call for sancho surely.

If that doesn't make him get his head down and work, nothing ever will.

 

[Tallis]

Not sure it works like that.

Loans within the jurisdiction of the FA are one thing. Loans(temporary transfers) to non FA affiliated clubs are another.

I am pretty sure if he returns to Man Utd his pay and conditions would revert to the original agreement if they don’t it would in effect be a new deal which I very much doubt he would be advised to sign

I didn’t explain it well. I agree that if he returns to Man Utd, the terms revert to the contract we have with him.

What I am saying is that there is only 1 year of contract remaining with Man Utd. So it’s easy for us to pay off part of his salary and sell him to someone. The new club doesn’t have to pay him what we are paying him and is free to agree whatever wages they think suitable and acceptable to Sancho. If he had 3-4 years of contract remaining, he would be very difficult to get rid off due to his wages

 

[terraloo]

Show me examples of all these obligation to buy transfers that have not been completed.

Please read my post again.

 

[Woziak]

I hope he still goes, but after his "Freedom" message to Rashford it would at least be somewhat funny to see him sit on the bench here next year.

Even if its nonsense, stories that your club are willing to pay to NOT buy you, and people totally believing it could happen, must be a wake up call for sancho surely.

If that doesn't make him get his head down and work, nothing ever will.

When you give a 21 year old a 5 year contract with £250-300k per week it’s just far too much, why would he get his head down when he’s already convinced himself that everyone else is at fault, Jadon has become the epitome of a the modern generation, he’ll sleep easy next season knowing our club will stay owe him £13m for one more season.

And he probably thinks he can get another huge contract at 25/26 as he’ll go a free after a loan next season. United must sell this clown in the summer even if it’s £15m break even fee just get rid, he’s everything that was wrong about the last decade at our club.

 

[Woziak]

Chelsea are not going to back out of an obligation. If they do it for no reason other than changing their mind, no other club would want to do that type of deal with them again.

Totally agree it looks there might have been some hidden residuals like a bonus for top 4 taking the total transfer fee to nearer £30m plus an increased loan fee.

INEOS are definitely a lot of things but naive in negotiating transfers and player contracts is not one.

Chelsea must have agreed wages with Jadon as well for the deal to be ratified as a loan with an obligation to buy. Jadon would not have accepted less than £200k per week which is £70k more than Cole Palmer!

I think this is the real issue , Chelsea have had Jadon for 9 months and worked out already that’s he’s not worth £25m and he’s definitely not worth £200k per week for 5 years.

However it’s a loan with an obligation so they will have to do the deal, either way United win, they’ll be quite happy to take the £10-£15m penalty payment and then ship Jadon off to Bundersliga or Saudi for another
£15-20m.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Please read my post again.

Your posts on this are nonsense.

 

[duffer]

Totally agree it looks there might have been some hidden residuals like a bonus for top 4 taking the total transfer fee to nearer £30m plus an increased loan fee.

20 to 25 mil based on where Chelsea finished was reported by pretty much everyone who reported on the deal. Why would it now be 20 to 30 mil?

And there can't be "an increased loan fee" as there was no loan fee if we're believing what was reported.

If we're not believing what was reported then fair enough, Man United fans can say they're getting £100 mil and Chelsea fans can say we're paying £20k.

 

[Teja]

So the whole culture reset is off then. Let's get Rashford back in and his mate Jesse while we're at it. Oh and Pogba isn't busy at the moment either. Sounds like a promising team that!

I'm sure Amorim won't shy away from enforcing standards. Sancho wouldn't be around for very long if he goes back to his fifa playing ways and not turning up for training / not putting in a shift. You can also choose to loan him out after giving him half a season under Amorim. I'm generally not too worried about the cultural reset part of the equation.

If you're evaluating just his ability, I think he could do a better job than Eriksen at #10 as a rotation option and would rather have him than an extra 6m or whatever we get by sending him on loan.

 

[terraloo]

Totally agree it looks there might have been some hidden residuals like a bonus for top 4 taking the total transfer fee to nearer £30m plus an increased loan fee.

INEOS are definitely a lot of things but naive in negotiating transfers and player contracts is not one.

Chelsea must have agreed wages with Jadon as well for the deal to be ratified as a loan with an obligation to buy. Jadon would not have accepted less than £200k per week which is £70k more than Cole Palmer!

I think this is the real issue , Chelsea have had Jadon for 9 months and worked out already that’s he’s not worth £25m and he’s definitely not worth £200k per week for 5 years.

However it’s a loan with an obligation so they will have to do the deal, either way United win, they’ll be quite happy to take the £10-£15m penalty payment and then ship Jadon off to Bundersliga or Saudi for another
£15-20m.

The reports suggest that in most instances where there is an obligation to buy the players wages are agreed as part of the loan to buy deal but in this instance it is stated that there isn’t an agreement in place between Sancho and Chelsea. If an agreement can’t be reached or isn’t reached then the players simply wouldn’t join Chelsea. Irrespective I very much doubt he would be paid close to £200k a week nor would I expect him to be offered a deal in excess of 5 years.Utd will still have to pay the balance of his initial signing on fee be he staying or leaving

Over the years players have gone to other clubs on obligation to buy and those conditions haven’t been met for instance Bakyoko some conditions are obvious others simply don’t come to light indeed none of us knew about the


It was pretty clear that Utd wanted him out the door this deal was signed very late into the window and Chelsea it seems , again according to reports, if the deal goes ahead will pay between £20 and £25 million based on where Chelsea finish up.

Utd won’t be happy if the deal doesn’t go ahead it’s pretty clear that he is a significant drag on the balance sheet with at least £30 million left to be amortised and him contracted wage wise to be paid around another £30 million.

 

[Woziak]

The reports suggest that in most instances where there is an obligation to buy the players wages are agreed as part of the loan to buy deal but in this instance it is stated that there isn’t an agreement in place between Sancho and Chelsea. If an agreement can’t be reached or isn’t reached then the players simply wouldn’t join Chelsea. Irrespective I very much doubt he would be paid close to £200k a week nor would I expect him to be offered a deal in excess of 5 years.Utd will still have to pay the balance of his initial signing on fee be he staying or leaving

Over the years players have gone to other clubs on obligation to buy and those conditions haven’t been met for instance Bakyoko some conditions are obvious others simply don’t come to light indeed none of us knew about the


It was pretty clear that Utd wanted him out the door this deal was signed very late into the window and Chelsea it seems , again according to reports, if the deal goes ahead will pay between £20 and £25 million based on where Chelsea finish up.

Utd won’t be happy if the deal doesn’t go ahead it’s pretty clear that he is a significant drag on the balance sheet with at least £30 million left to be amortised and him contracted wage wise to be paid around another £30 million.

He has one year left as an asset on the book from summer of 25/26 so your most definitely incorrect on that his amortised cost is £73m divided by 5 which is £14.6m which is what United will owe Dortmund and as an asset his amortised costs is now £14.6m plus his rumoured £13m wages which would be reduced by 25% next season as no champions league football.
So his cost to return for one year from 2025/26 season would be roughly £24.3m not £60m.

United would only have to agree £14.6m for the transfer to be neutral on the balance sheet. It’s common misconception that’s he’s only been at United for 3 years when this loan to Chelsea is his 4th year at the club having had a loan to Dortmund in his third year and being pretty awful in his first two.

If you look up his contract your see he signed for United in 21/22 season so 24/25 season is his 4th year. Glad to clear that up for you.