Not having that Mata belongs on that list. We signed him without a plan but he was a good player for us under 3 different managers and then just got older.
Harsh on Matic too (if you ignore basically everything after his first season at United).
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Harsh on Matic too (if you ignore basically everything after his first season at United).
It's in relation to our dealings with Chelsea.
I liked them both but I don't think Mata and Matic were particularly great signings (not terrible ones though by any means). Didn't get anywhere near the level of their best at Chelsea and just fell a bit flat after some decent periods of form.
Chelsea going to start dropping points so they don't have to sign this waster
You're replying to a Chelsea fan in case you didn't know.
They'd have to drop a hell of a lot of points before the end of the season! They're not finishing below 14th so I think we're alright.
The way he plays, it’s only a matter of time since he doesn’t have balls anymore.
How would they not be on that list?
Has he been ill for like 3 weeks now!
A few assists early on, some United fans got excited and started talking too soon.. he always does that.
He starts of with energy and drops off in a couple games, gets called out and goes missing.
Not many footballers where I would say... hope he fails but he definitely is one.
A few assists early on, some United fans got excited and started talking too soon.. he always does that.
He starts of with energy and drops off in a couple games, gets called out and goes missing.
Not many footballers where I would say... hope he fails but he definitely is one.
Reminds me of a bloke who I work with who is off sick half the year, then does absolutely feck all during the 6 months he is at work. Same attitude.
Reminds me of that civil servant in Spain who did not go into work for 6 years and kept getting paid, only to be scuppered when he was nominated for a long service award.
Reminds me of a guy I used to work with in a factory I worked when I took about 18 momths out between colleges. They had "back pain", would "try" to resume work every now and again, only for it to flair up again after a few hours. Didn't stop him from spending 90% of his time in the pub.
Because they were both good players at Chelsea and then hardly flop signings for United either?
Neither are even remotely comparable to Sancho. Mata played for United nearly 300 times and scored over 50 goals, after being Chelsea's poster boy for 2 years. Won 7-8 trophies between the two. I don't get how anyone is making a non silly argument that he was a flop for either.
Compared to Sancho who's main contribution to United was not playing for them for nearly a year due to falling out with the manager, and who's main contribution to Chelsea will probably end up being some assist he got in some game last month.
Thankfully, no long service award from us as far as Sancho is concerned. Though I'd argue he was here too long as it was.
Maybe re read what the post is about? It's just comings/goings between United/Chelsea
The post that starts "do we have the worst transfer history ever?" and then excludes multiple players who've played for or been transfered between the two teams?
Why is he always ill?
For a young elite level sportsman he seems to constantly get colds and ear infections. It's very strange.
For a young elite level sportsman he seems to constantly get colds and ear infections. It's very strange.
Wasn't there a player a while ago who was always out injured, that lump from Newcastle I think, and it turned out he had drug abuse issues.
Not saying that's Sancho's problem, just throwing it out there to promote a bit of outrage and discussion, to see if it ends up in the papers in a few days.
Not saying that's Sancho's problem, just throwing it out there to promote a bit of outrage and discussion, to see if it ends up in the papers in a few days.
Chelsea fans, what are your thought on Sancho at this point?
Surely given the levels of Neto, Felix, Palmer, Madueke and even Mudryk's relative improvement this seems a bit of an unnecessary addition. Glad he's yours now!
Surely given the levels of Neto, Felix, Palmer, Madueke and even Mudryk's relative improvement this seems a bit of an unnecessary addition. Glad he's yours now!
The new call of duty was released not too long ago.. must be busy playing playstation till early hours.
Will be interesting to see if he gets the same treatment from journalist compared to when he was at Manutd.
Will be interesting to see if he gets the same treatment from journalist compared to when he was at Manutd.
Nile Ranger? Think he spent time in jail.
Or
Daryl Murphy? He said he got a ban for cocaine use.
Who has been missed out? I did not put an exhaustive list in including Wilkins or obscure free transfers for example (but the poster who I replied to clearly got it). Seems very hard to not read that sentence, see a list of players who have passed between the clubs and then create some new idea that it's just a list of bad transfers, it's not like United/Chelsea commonly do business.
I hate to baselessly speculate but surely it’s not too large of a jump to suggest it might be more mental health, rather than physical.
I wonder what the next tweet from Chelsea will be. A slow motion clip of him eating a pie, or a slow motion clip of him scratching his arse? Ooooh, maybe it'll be a slow motion clip of him barely managing to do a couple of push ups in training?! So many options...
I really like his performances against Bournemouth and especially Brighton but he did have a shocker at Anfield.
Long story short.
It’s insane to think where this kid was 4yrs ago compared to now. Tragic.
Actually, I was thinking of Andy Carroll
I was also thinking of Joey Barton, think he missed games because his bail conditions wouldn't allow him to travel to certain areas.
Newcastle really know how to pick them.
The only one who belongs on that list at the moment is Sancho. The others were all relatively successful except for Mount, where it's still too early to say. I have a feeling he will do well under Amorim though, if he can stay fit. Big if there, admittedly.
Most of them never lived up to their price tag, but they weren't 'atrocious'. Sancho is the only complete disaster.
I'll also have understand the Veron one. He was good for us, just not as good as we'd hoped. Struggled with the pace of the EPL, and was completing in a midfield that already had Keane and Scholes. It is what it is, but he wasn't a disaster at United.
Stewart Houston, Mark Hughes were notable transfers.
You've had few of our managers over the years aswell. Docherty, Sexton and Mourinho.
So the obligated fee is around £25m.
After this season his value in our books will be approx £15m in terms of transfer fee (was about £29m when he left last summer).
We are still paying him approx £125k a week towards his salary - Chelsea only paying £100k.
The full £250k a week salary will also be off the books for next season if the obligation kicks in - which it surely must, and if we qualify for the CL (somehow) or approx £200k if we don’t.
Therefore he will probably appear as some form of profit believe it or not in the accounting for next season due to his depreciation (£73m fee / 5 years means he devalues on our books approx £14.8m a year).
Considering where we were at before Chelsea took him this has been a fantastic deal for Utd.
Now for Anthony……
After this season his value in our books will be approx £15m in terms of transfer fee (was about £29m when he left last summer).
We are still paying him approx £125k a week towards his salary - Chelsea only paying £100k.
The full £250k a week salary will also be off the books for next season if the obligation kicks in - which it surely must, and if we qualify for the CL (somehow) or approx £200k if we don’t.
Therefore he will probably appear as some form of profit believe it or not in the accounting for next season due to his depreciation (£73m fee / 5 years means he devalues on our books approx £14.8m a year).
Considering where we were at before Chelsea took him this has been a fantastic deal for Utd.
Now for Anthony……
Both were fine, but we really wasted Mata by using him wide.
This is slightly glossing over he is costing us £20m in our books this year not to play for us.
Sounds like an easy job.
Personally I never thought he was that talented which I'm sure would irk some of the Dortmund fans on here.
And he doesn't have the graft to maximize his talents anyways.
I’m aware of that, was just highlighting how it will be positioned at the end of the season when he goes.
Having an obligation to buy was a god send as based on current performance he would have been back to see out his last year before leaving on a free.
My stance was that anyone buying him had to know what kind of player he was and cater to his game, and if those conditions were met, you have/had a quite spectacular player on your hands, but if you don’t cater he is likely someone who will struggle.
The mental collapse and the pale imitation of what he was, I didn’t see happening as this kid had the game as his oyster when putting in performances that were drawing global attention, even to Dortmund.
He needed to go to a club playing short, intricate football with flowing overlappers and where he could practically live in the halfspaces and not have to worry about the broader game or even his lack of athleticism. A Barcelona would have been perfect and I think we see a different timeline had he gone somewhere that played to his strengths.
It’s evident he is not a trier and has no appetite for the battle or graft, so the moment things got hard, he checked out of the game and it pretty much looks like he’s cooked, at 24. He may get a middling contract once Chelsea discard of him, but with regard to him and the top levels of football, I think we’ve already seen his apex and now he’s worth 9 figures, the game has no appeal to him, nor does he need it anymore despite being so young and potentially so good. He’d have to love playing again to have any kind of resurgence and I don’t see that happening. He can’t cope with not being the adored golden boy, and that adulation has long since left the building.
Not really much to say at the moment. He's barely played, and when he has, it has been a mixed bag. Awful vs Liverpool, but really good vs Bournemouth and Brighton. Decent vs West Ham, underwhelming but okay vs Forest.
He's only featured in 5 games and was only awful in 1 of them. Now that I've typed it out, it's actually been more good than bad when he's actually been on the pitch.
While I agree on the "know the kind of player you sign", I think it is clear he should be doing much better even in a less favorable tactical setup. Sancho possesses skills that should work in isolation as well. When you see his game against Atletico, you see that he's not "just" a pass and go player but is also explosive and hard to defend in one on ones. He's also excellent in tight spaces and has brillant body feints in his repertoire. United didn't make it easy for him but he still should have done much better than he did in the end. IMO the only explanation for this is something mental and related to his self-esteem. So the fact that he only works to a worldclass level under very specific circumstances can definitely be held against him.
There used to be more "confidence players" like this when football was a bit less professional. From the top of my mind, Kaká, Fernando Torres and Fabregas also fell off a cliff after leaving their "comfort zones" at a scale that couldn't be explained with physical decline alone.