[Grande]

OK - allow me to explain why I am pro-Sancho in this drama.

First of all, I didn’t fully agree with us signing Sancho in the first place. I do think he’s a special player, stylistically similar to Neymar and Grealish albeit not as good. I like his composure, his eye for pass and his close control. But my two objections were as follows:

1. He is better as a left-winger and this is also Rashford’s best position. I don’t think it was a good idea to have two of the best young English talents - at the time - worth close to £80 million - competing for the same spot.

2. He is like Joao Felix in that his skillset is best served to a possession-based system where he has options and runners moving around him where he can connect the play. It was stylistically a mismatch for us given that we were, at the time, building around Bruno, who is better in a transition / counter-attack model where he is free to ping balls into space. Sancho can chase those balls, but he is not blessed with great speed.

Nonetheless, Sancho still has his uses. In the low-blocks that we used to come up against he had potential to shine in tight spaces. He offered an alternative to Rashford, who is a head-down winger that just runs at defenders and tries to cut inside and shoot. Furthermore, Sancho’s composure and eye for a pass is also extremely useful in transitions as his decision-making is generally spotless. For example, you can see how he dominated against Chelsea at home last season.

Either way, I would not have objected to Ten Hag putting him up for sale in the summer. It would have been the best move for both parties. He would go to a team more suited to his strengths, whereas we could replace him with a faster and more direct winger suited to the transitions that Ten Hag wants. But this ultimately never happened.

Ten Hag gave Sancho a go in the false 9 in pre-season but not when the season started. This raised my eyebrow. I thought Sancho in the false 9 could work well. It suits his strengths more. He can drop deep, combine with players, make more use of his close control, it wouldn’t expose him to a 1-on-1 situations outwide where he can get outpaced by fullbacks and he would also put his eye for pass to great use if we get play through balls in behind to Rashford. Yet when the season started, Sancho was given sub-appearances off the bench on left-wing.

But this alone wasn’t enough to make me turn on Ten Hag. It was the sheer fact that he called him out in the press conference and questioned his professionalism. That was a low blow and totally unnecessary. It was a cowardly move. He did it to a squad player in a crisis of confidence, kicking him when he is already down. He disrespected the club by tumbling the value of a club asset that we may, in the future, need to recoup. Who the hell would drop even £30m on a player who’s manager has called him out for being a bad professional? The incident was also bad for the prestige of the club. We’re supposed to be, literally, united. Us vs. the world. And here you have a manager publicly criticising his player, which is something that similiarly annoyed me about Jose and LvG.

The incident also made me realise that Ten Hag is too small for this club. This innocuous throwaway comment created a scandal. He should have foreseen that backing Sancho into a corner like this would have ramifications.

Moreover, when the playing staff, a crucial stakeholder for our success, see one of their own get criticised in public, it makes them lose respect for the manager as they wonder if they will be next in line for this sort of public humiliation.

On top of all of this, Ten Hag or the club showed their really nasty side with briefings attacking his character. This is a player with a history of mental health issues lest we forget. And then banishing Sancho to the extent that he can’t even go to the canteen? This was when I realise that Ten Hag simply does not have the character or personality for a club of this magnitude. You cannot simply come to United and throw your weight around like it is your personal little dictatorship, especially not when you have done so little in the game.

The whole situation was totally avoidable. Even if it was the case that Sancho wasn’t training right, there was no need to throw him under the bus. The negatives consequences of that - financially, squad morale and ethically - far outweighed the postives. The only positive for Ten Hag here is the total humiliation of Sancho, which has not earned him respect from the players, but rather disdain.

It was horrible judgement from Ten Hag, who behaved as though he is bigger than the club. The decision to call out Sancho and subsequently banish him has backfired in every way. Whether Sancho is still here or not, I’m not really bothered. But the whole incident proves why Ten Hag does not have the personality to manage this club and his ego will continue to hold us back unless he is removed.

Thanks for a more nuanced post. The first bit, about Sancho the football player at United, I agree with most or all of what you write. A slight deviation might be where I wasn’t surprised at seeing the False-9- experiment take a back seat when the rubber hit the concrete, seeing as Sancho did okayish to not too impressive in that role, and it did look like a stop gap experiment with Martial and partly Rashford indisposed and a lack of strikers preseason. Either way, this is the part that we’ve been able to watch both of us I guess. Neither is your view here particularily pro-Sancho, I would say.

The second bit, about Ten Hag being a small-minded ego dictator (?!) is more jarring. A wee bit because, in a way, as ego dictators go, most big managers including most of our recents (Ferguson, Van Gaal, Mourinho) make Ten Hag look like an altruistic anarchist in comparison, a wee bit because what he actually said publically pales in comparison with many of the the things the likes of Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp have said about their own players at times. Van Gaal sent Victor Valdez to the reserves, Mourinho did the same with Schweinsteiger, Ferguson did lots of stuff like that, and wether you could argue that their tactics haven’t evolved enough, their egoes are still state of the art. But these are minor quibbles.

What I find the hardest to grasp about yotr last post, is how adamant you seem in your interpretations about what has happened on what grounds regarding the things that really aren’t open to the public. It sounds like you know for a fact that the playing staff lost their respect and acrued disdain for Ten Hag over it, that Ten Hag is behind character briefings, that Sancho has mental health issues and was at a loss of confidence at the time. These claims seem more like guesswork taken as fact, and simultaneously overlooks similar guesswork pointing towards Sancho’s longstanding issues with professionalism, other players reacting negatively to Sancho’s attitude and expecting harsher (or more fair?) treatment of him several times historically. I think we should be careful taking these hypothesies as gospel, but neither does there seem grounds for being so assured about how the situation was behind the scenes when Ten Hag reacted to Sancho in the first place.

What we know for public facts, is that Ten Hag answered a question in a press conference that was peanuts compared to what most acclaimed managers say on a regular basis, and that Sancho reacted in a way we very seldom see from any professional footballer even these days. It’s fair to say not many reacted much to Ten Hag’s initial heat-of-the-moment explanation why Sancho wasn’t in a match day squad (remember, he disn’t even say he had trained badly), the reactions and scandal came first upon Sancho’s highly unusual attack, deliberated written attack on the manager. We don’t know who was right about what, lest you be Sancho entourage or Ten Hag family, but I think it’s clear to see what created the most public outrage of the two statements.

I’ve seen Sancho given a good spread of opportunities under Southgate, Solskjær, Rangnik and Ten Hag, and while his talents are easy to see, it has been hard to overlook his apparent lost-ness over so long time. He reminds me of Gary Birtles in a way. I think you’re right he should go elsewhere. I would be careful adamantly claiming he is a self centered, lazy, manipulating, leaking, half-hearted, unintelligent sobster as many do, I don’t think we know that. Neither do I find convincing evidence that Ten Hag is more egotistical, fraudulent or naive/small-minded than a manager is bound to be to achieve anything in today’s top football. The only thing I’m quite sure about is that if you present that infamous twitter message to any manager who has won anything much the last twenty years, wether it’s Ferguson, Heynkes, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Guardiola, Klopp, Conte, whoever, that player would 9 out of 10 never play for that manager again.

 

[daba]

Thanks for a more nuanced post. The first bit, about Sancho the football player at United, I agree with most or all of what you write. A slight deviation might be where I wasn’t surprised at seeing the False-9- experiment take a back seat when the rubber hit the concrete, seeing as Sancho did okayish to not too impressive in that role, and it did look like a stop gap experiment with Martial and partly Rashford indisposed and a lack of strikers preseason. Either way, this is the part that we’ve been able to watch both of us I guess. Neither is your view here particularily pro-Sancho, I would say.

The second bit, about Ten Hag being a small-minded ego dictator (?!) is more jarring. A wee bit because, in a way, as ego dictators go, most big managers including most of our recents (Ferguson, Van Gaal, Mourinho) make Ten Hag look like an altruistic anarchist in comparison, a wee bit because what he actually said publically pales in comparison with many of the the things the likes of Ferguson, Mourinho, Guardiola, Klopp have said about their own players at times. Van Gaal sent Victor Valdez to the reserves, Mourinho did the same with Schweinsteiger, Ferguson did lots of stuff like that, and wether you could argue that their tactics haven’t evolved enough, their egoes are still state of the art. But these are minor quibbles.

What I find the hardest to grasp about yotr last post, is how adamant you seem in your interpretations about what has happened on what grounds regarding the things that really aren’t open to the public. It sounds like you know for a fact that the playing staff lost their respect and acrued disdain for Ten Hag over it, that Ten Hag is behind character briefings, that Sancho has mental health issues and was at a loss of confidence at the time. These claims seem more like guesswork taken as fact, and simultaneously overlooks similar guesswork pointing towards Sancho’s longstanding issues with professionalism, other players reacting negatively to Sancho’s attitude and expecting harsher (or more fair?) treatment of him several times historically. I think we should be careful taking these hypothesies as gospel, but neither does there seem grounds for being so assured about how the situation was behind the scenes when Ten Hag reacted to Sancho in the first place.

What we know for public facts, is that Ten Hag answered a question in a press conference that was peanuts compared to what most acclaimed managers say on a regular basis, and that Sancho reacted in a way we very seldom see from any professional footballer even these days. It’s fair to say not many reacted much to Ten Hag’s initial heat-of-the-moment explanation why Sancho wasn’t in a match day squad (remember, he disn’t even say he had trained badly), the reactions and scandal came first upon Sancho’s highly unusual attack, deliberated written attack on the manager. We don’t know who was right about what, lest you be Sancho entourage or Ten Hag family, but I think it’s clear to see what created the most public outrage of the two statements.

I’ve seen Sancho given a good spread of opportunities under Southgate, Solskjær, Rangnik and Ten Hag, and while his talents are easy to see, it has been hard to overlook his apparent lost-ness over so long time. He reminds me of Gary Birtles in a way. I think you’re right he should go elsewhere. I would be careful adamantly claiming he is a self centered, lazy, manipulating, leaking, half-hearted, unintelligent sobster as many do, I don’t think we know that. Neither do I find convincing evidence that Ten Hag is more egotistical, fraudulent or naive/small-minded than a manager is bound to be to achieve anything in today’s top football. The only thing I’m quite sure about is that if you present that infamous twitter message to any manager who has won anything much the last twenty years, wether it’s Ferguson, Heynkes, Mourinho, Ancelotti, Guardiola, Klopp, Conte, whoever, that player would 9 out of 10 never play for that manager again.

Probably the most balanced and reasonable comment I’ve seen on the matter, thanks.

I’m completely with you. The vast vast majority of information people are basing opinions on are media stories / rumours, which when we are talking Utd, unless it is from a proper credible source or direct from someone’s mouth in an interview, the info needs to be taken with hint of scepticism as we know the media love to create negative hyperbole about us.

My personal view, is we finally need to back our manager on this type of situation with this group of players. Removing Sancho and others who disrespect the manager, their teammates, lack discipline (eg. show up late to training), and continue to not leave everything out on the pitch, will help us make the necessary strides to change the culture at this club and in this squad. Understandably, some firm calls may need to wait until our new ‘footballing structure’ is properly in place, which is why I see Sancho leaving on loan in Jan being the most likely solution to this saga this season.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Can we just agree that Sancho has been found terribly lacking as a footballer and professional, for us? Who actually gives a flying feck how much hard work he put in as a 9/10/15 year old to reach where he has?

 

[Adisa]

Allowing a thoroughly unprofessional player back…no.

 

[Pickle85]

Reports like this most recent of stories or are we only fixating on negative ones surrounding computer games?

Funnily enough him turning up late regularly to training at City didn’t stop him getting a move to Germany, just as him turning up late in Germany led to multiple England Caps & a big money move.

You’re fixating on the result not the action. Sancho has turned up late throughout his career (not ideal but it is what it is) & has been relatively successful up until joining United. You’d have to be rather naive to assume other footballers are not late.

On current evidence he’s working like ‘a beast’. (See above) a since being banished from the squad reports have actually been positive, apparently he’s turning up doing his bit & going home.

I don’t know how hard he’s working, nor do you. You’d have to define what a ‘hard worker’ is for someone that can’t play games for further comment.

You’ve an awful habit of drawing conclusions not from what I write but what you’d like to argue with.

‘You're implying that the argument with ETH has stopped him from being able to continue the hard work that got him to where he is.’. I’m really not.

Since when has a player playing multiple times for his country & getting a big money move to Manchester United been relative. You simply do not get those accolades doing nothing, there is an element of hard work. To dismiss it as relative is ridiculous.

Thank god you caveated the last piece as your opinion. It’s irrelevant.

You’d have to have a rather dim view of someone you’ve never met to assume I think all fans are jealous of his money.

If you return to the post I was responding to, I’m not the only poster to notice how preoccupied some posters are with what he earns.

What is bizarre is not asking for clarification on things I post that you clearly do not understand, instead making negative leaps. I can only write so much, just because I don’t feel obligated to shout about Sancho’s work rate or professionalism does not mean I don’t question them.

You have to allow space for people to discuss things other than your preoccupations here. I can go to any Sancho thread & read posts from people with very little information commenting on thinks such as his work rate, I’m broadening the conversation.

Again. This is boring. I’m happy to go back & forth over why we feel how we do but arguing about what I haven’t said nor mean is getting repetitive.

Caveat: I believe Sancho could have handled this better. His performances are indefensible. I would not be against selling him. Etc. Etc.

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I'm going to go through this quickly as you're correct, watching you squirm to fit your arguments into a rational framework is boring.

1. Unnamed sources claim he's training like a beast. Sources that question his work ethic and professionalism are named and are his managers and coworkers. Surely you can see the difference here? I never claimed that other players weren't late and fail to see what that has to do with anything. Please explain.

2. If you're not implying that, I ask again: what relevance does the latter part of what you originally said (not apologising to his boss) have to the former (Sancho being a hard worker)?

3. Everything is relative. You saying it's ridiculous doesn't change that. Again, I refer you to previous coaches that questioned his work ethic before he joined United. Yes, he obviously wasn't as lazy then as he has been at united but it still doesn't make him a hard worker.

4. Yes, you posed a reason based not on what the poster was arguing but, ironically enough given what you're accusing me of, what you wanted them to be arguing. And to make matters worse you were patronising while doing it!

 

[Chaky_Best]

I am waiting his interview with Pierce Morgan when he'll sign for Nice or Stuttgart.

Little idiot. Earns 350k/w, lives the dream of billions of people and can't behave properly. Disgusting guy

 

[sugar_kane]

OK - allow me to explain why I am pro-Sancho in this drama.

First of all, I didn’t fully agree with us signing Sancho in the first place. I do think he’s a special player, stylistically similar to Neymar and Grealish albeit not as good. I like his composure, his eye for pass and his close control. But my two objections were as follows:

1. He is better as a left-winger and this is also Rashford’s best position. I don’t think it was a good idea to have two of the best young English talents - at the time - worth close to £80 million - competing for the same spot.

2. He is like Joao Felix in that his skillset is best served to a possession-based system where he has options and runners moving around him where he can connect the play. It was stylistically a mismatch for us given that we were, at the time, building around Bruno, who is better in a transition / counter-attack model where he is free to ping balls into space. Sancho can chase those balls, but he is not blessed with great speed.

Nonetheless, Sancho still has his uses. In the low-blocks that we used to come up against he had potential to shine in tight spaces. He offered an alternative to Rashford, who is a head-down winger that just runs at defenders and tries to cut inside and shoot. Furthermore, Sancho’s composure and eye for a pass is also extremely useful in transitions as his decision-making is generally spotless. For example, you can see how he dominated against Chelsea at home last season.

Either way, I would not have objected to Ten Hag putting him up for sale in the summer. It would have been the best move for both parties. He would go to a team more suited to his strengths, whereas we could replace him with a faster and more direct winger suited to the transitions that Ten Hag wants. But this ultimately never happened.

Ten Hag gave Sancho a go in the false 9 in pre-season but not when the season started. This raised my eyebrow. I thought Sancho in the false 9 could work well. It suits his strengths more. He can drop deep, combine with players, make more use of his close control, it wouldn’t expose him to a 1-on-1 situations outwide where he can get outpaced by fullbacks and he would also put his eye for pass to great use if we get play through balls in behind to Rashford. Yet when the season started, Sancho was given sub-appearances off the bench on left-wing.

But this alone wasn’t enough to make me turn on Ten Hag. It was the sheer fact that he called him out in the press conference and questioned his professionalism. That was a low blow and totally unnecessary. It was a cowardly move. He did it to a squad player in a crisis of confidence, kicking him when he is already down. He disrespected the club by tumbling the value of a club asset that we may, in the future, need to recoup. Who the hell would drop even £30m on a player who’s manager has called him out for being a bad professional? The incident was also bad for the prestige of the club. We’re supposed to be, literally, united. Us vs. the world. And here you have a manager publicly criticising his player, which is something that similiarly annoyed me about Jose and LvG.

The incident also made me realise that Ten Hag is too small for this club. This innocuous throwaway comment created a scandal. He should have foreseen that backing Sancho into a corner like this would have ramifications.

Moreover, when the playing staff, a crucial stakeholder for our success, see one of their own get criticised in public, it makes them lose respect for the manager as they wonder if they will be next in line for this sort of public humiliation.

On top of all of this, Ten Hag or the club showed their really nasty side with briefings attacking his character. This is a player with a history of mental health issues lest we forget. And then banishing Sancho to the extent that he can’t even go to the canteen? This was when I realise that Ten Hag simply does not have the character or personality for a club of this magnitude. You cannot simply come to United and throw your weight around like it is your personal little dictatorship, especially not when you have done so little in the game.

The whole situation was totally avoidable. Even if it was the case that Sancho wasn’t training right, there was no need to throw him under the bus. The negatives consequences of that - financially, squad morale and ethically - far outweighed the postives. The only positive for Ten Hag here is the total humiliation of Sancho, which has not earned him respect from the players, but rather disdain.

It was horrible judgement from Ten Hag, who behaved as though he is bigger than the club. The decision to call out Sancho and subsequently banish him has backfired in every way. Whether Sancho is still here or not, I’m not really bothered. But the whole incident proves why Ten Hag does not have the personality to manage this club and his ego will continue to hold us back unless he is removed.

Journalist: Sancho and McTominay weren’t here are they both injured as well?

Ten Hag: Scott was ill and Jadon, on his performance in training we didn’t select him

What’s cowardly about this statement? Where is he questioning his professionalism? He’s not even referencing effort, but performance.

He’s just stating the absolute obvious and that which applies to every single team line up decision in every game around the country.

Pep has said far worse about his players, is he too small for City?

The whole thing is incredibly innocuous, anyone trying to spin it as otherwise just comes across as having an agenda.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

1. Unnamed sources claim he's training like a beast. Sources that question his work ethic and professionalism are named and are his managers and coworkers. Surely you can see the difference here? I never claimed that other players weren't late and fail to see what that has to do with anything. Please explain.

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him turning up late regularly to training at City didn’t stop him getting a move to Germany, just as him turning up late in Germany led to multiple England Caps & a big money move.

You’re fixating on the result not the action. Sancho has turned up late throughout his career (not ideal but it is what it is) & has been relatively successful up until joining United.

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2. If you're not implying that, I ask again: what relevance does the latter part of what you originally said (not apologising to his boss) have to the former (Sancho being a hard worker)?

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I don’t know how hard he’s working, nor do you.

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3. Everything is relative. You saying it's ridiculous doesn't change that. Again, I refer you to previous coaches that questioned his work ethic before he joined United. Yes, he obviously wasn't as lazy then as he has been at united but it still doesn't make him a hard worker.

Since when has a player playing multiple times for his country & getting a big money move to Manchester United been relative. You simply do not get those accolades doing nothing, there is an element of hard work. To dismiss it as relative is ridiculous.

You’d have to define what a ‘hard worker’ is for someone that can’t play games for further comment.

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4. Yes, you posed a reason based not on what the poster was arguing but, ironically enough given what you're accusing me of, what you wanted them to be arguing. And to make matters worse you were patronising while doing it!

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I'm going to go through this quickly as you're correct, watching you squirm to fit your arguments into a rational framework is boring.

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If you return to the post I was responding to, I’m not the only poster to notice how preoccupied some posters are with what he earns.

What is bizarre is not asking for clarification on things I post that you clearly do not understand, instead making negative leaps. I can only write so much, just because I don’t feel obligated to shout about Sancho’s work rate or professionalism does not mean I don’t question them.

You have to allow space for people to discuss things other than your preoccupations here. I can go to any Sancho thread & read posts from people with very little information commenting on thinks such as his work rate, I’m broadening the conversation.

Again. This is boring.

 

[Chairman Steve]

He shouldn’t play for us again based on his conduct, and nor should he based on his performances. I can’t name one performance where he was anything above decent. A majority of his performances are akin to a teenager from the academy in the first team a lot of the time.

 

[Pickle85]

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This really isn't the whip smart 'gotcha' that you seem to think it is. You're just quoting yourself without addressing the points directly, which is a rather unsubtle evasion technique. We're going round in circles, so I'll hop off this particular argument carousel at this stage.

 

[soapythecat]

This wave of a Sancho fan club are a weird bunch.
He's a little wank sock of a character that couldn't bring himself to swallow some pride, admit to the manager he was in the wrong (doesn't even have to be an apology) and that he is willing to turn himself inside out to get back into the team. Then actually turn up and produce the goods for which he is paid a kings ransom for. It's not much to ask but he's chosen to sulk and alienate himself from the team, fans, management etc because he is so rich it doesn't even matter to him.
He's a huge part of the off field problems for this club and the sooner he is out of here the better.

 

[pascell]

I hope he's "training like a beast" as he has a move lined up.

 

[saik]

This wave of a Sancho fan club are a weird bunch.
He's a little wank sock of a character that couldn't bring himself to swallow some pride, admit to the manager he was in the wrong (doesn't even have to be an apology) and that he is willing to turn himself inside out to get back into the team. Then actually turn up and produce the goods for which he is paid a kings ransom for. It's not much to ask but he's chosen to sulk and alienate himself from the team, fans, management etc because he is so rich it doesn't even matter to him.
He's a huge part of the off field problems for this club and the sooner he is out of here the better.

Probably his PR people with the huge walls of text they are writing. I personally wouldn't bother. We have seen Sancho's performances for us under 3 different managers under various systems and he failed to impress all along. What ETH said has been taken so out of context it's hilarious. Shows his mentality that he'd rather waste 6 months than apologize and get back into the team.

 

[the_cliff]

The love in on here for Sancho is a weird one. There's way more hate for Di Maria for example and he actually performed better than Sancho and no one cared when he left.

Despite his comments to the media about United and the city of Manchester he actually bothered to turn up to training on time as well.

 

[Van Piorsing]

Is he alive ? Perhaps Jadon Sancho does not exist, and he's just a neural network.

He could at least stream his Fifa / Pes matches. Boring git.

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Nice to see he’s “maintained his fitness” that way he’ll still be unable to complete a full 90 minutes.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

This really isn't the whip smart 'gotcha' that you seem to think it is. You're just quoting yourself without addressing the points directly, which is a rather unsubtle evasion technique. We're going round in circles, so I'll hop off this particular argument carousel at this stage.

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boring.

 

[ElDiabloRojo]

EA Sports FC 24 doesn't have the same ring to it as FIFA.

Maybe he is actually training some days now.

ETH should go take a look, anything is better than Rashford.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

This wave of a Sancho fan club are a weird bunch.
He's a little wank sock of a character that couldn't bring himself to swallow some pride, admit to the manager he was in the wrong (doesn't even have to be an apology) and that he is willing to turn himself inside out to get back into the team. Then actually turn up and produce the goods for which he is paid a kings ransom for. It's not much to ask but he's chosen to sulk and alienate himself from the team, fans, management etc because he is so rich it doesn't even matter to him.
He's a huge part of the off field problems for this club and the sooner he is out of here the better.

If your manager called you out in a meeting for something you didn’t believe you’d done wrong, then told you not to come to the office would you return your wages for the term of your ‘suspension’ &/or apologise in front of your peers for what you think would be no reason? I certainly wouldn’t.

You say ‘he's chosen to sulk and alienate himself from the team, fans, management’. I say, he’s been told by management not to train with his teammates & this teams relationship with the fans was fecked already. Are we really that far apart?

Labelling those who don’t refer to Sancho in such terms as a wank sock his fan club doesn’t particularly start any discussion off on a positive note. It’s one of the biggest issues here, people want to yell into an echo chamber not actually have discussions.

Personally I can see why with this becoming public in the way it has EtH doesn’t want to back down but I can also see that Sancho doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong so won’t apologise, again if I felt I hadn’t then I wouldn’t. That aside, if what has transpired was so grievous he’d be in breach of contract & wouldn’t be getting paid.

What was needed here was leadership above them both to mediate this situation. It becoming public in the way it did created yet another reason for this fanbase to dislike one of our players, when his performances are enough alone to raise questions.

 

[Offsideagain]

This thread is an Oxymoron. Sancho and performances? Can't think of any of note that have had me off my seat.

 

[antohan]

Funnily enough him turning up late regularly to training at City didn’t stop him getting a move to Germany, just as him turning up late in Germany led to multiple England Caps & a big money move.

You’re fixating on the result not the action. Sancho has turned up late throughout his career (not ideal but it is what it is) & has been relatively successful up until joining United. You’d have to be rather naive to assume other footballers are not late.

They all got shot of him, that's what his relatively succesful career amounts to.

At the height of his Dortmund fame, with caftards drooling over spunking 150m on him, Southgate didn't use him at all at the Euros bar on the 120th minute of the final so he could go and miss a penalty.

Always felt that was pretty harsh but maybe he was trying to convey some sort of message? In fact, Southgate keeps looking surprisingly clued up about players that need to be binned/frozen out. Greenwood not being called up was a scandal... and then it wasn't really.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

They all got shot of him, that's what his relatively succesful career amounts to.

At the height of his Dortmund fame, with caftards drooling over spunking 150m on him, Southgate didn't use him at all at the Euros bar on the 120th minute of the final so he could go and miss a penalty.

Always felt that was pretty harsh but maybe he was trying to convey some sort of message? In fact, Southgate keeps looking surprisingly clued up about players that need to be binned/frozen out. Greenwood not being called up was a scandal... and then it wasn't really.

The crux of that point is that there was an element of hard work to achieving what he has achieved thus far. I could delve deeper but it would just become some needless back & forth.

I don’t disagree with the England or Southgate comments.

 

[soapythecat]

If your manager called you out in a meeting for something you didn’t believe you’d done wrong, then told you not to come to the office would you return your wages for the term of your ‘suspension’ &/or apologise in front of your peers for what you think would be no reason? I certainly wouldn’t.

You say ‘he's chosen to sulk and alienate himself from the team, fans, management’. I say, he’s been told by management not to train with his teammates & this teams relationship with the fans was fecked already. Are we really that far apart?

Labelling those who don’t refer to Sancho in such terms as a wank sock his fan club doesn’t particularly start any discussion off on a positive note. It’s one of the biggest issues here, people want to yell into an echo chamber not actually have discussions.

Personally I can see why with this becoming public in the way it has EtH doesn’t want to back down but I can also see that Sancho doesn’t think he’s done anything wrong so won’t apologise, again if I felt I hadn’t then I wouldn’t. That aside, if what has transpired was so grievous he’d be in breach of contract & wouldn’t be getting paid.

What was needed here was leadership above them both to mediate this situation. It becoming public in the way it did created yet another reason for this fanbase to dislike one of our players, when his performances are enough alone to raise questions.

Leadership was displayed by the club supporting a manager who told it how it is. If he’s been told my his management to continue down the path they have chosen for him, then maybe he should have decided that the same management got it spectacularly wrong with the Twitter statement and maybe should be ignored.

As I said, he doesn’t need to apologise, just tell the manager he will trainhard to get back in the side. Pretty sure that would suffice….but your precious Sancho can’t do that. If you think that’s worth £350k a week then well done. I’m with the crowd that thinks he’s a prick for the way he’s acted and should feck right off.

 

[stefan92]

Leadership was displayed by the club supporting a manager who told it how it is. If he’s been told my his management to continue down the path they have chosen for him, then maybe he should have decided that the same management got it spectacularly wrong with the Twitter statement and maybe should be ignored.

As I said, he doesn’t need to apologise, just tell the manager he will trainhard to get back in the side. Pretty sure that would suffice….but your precious Sancho can’t do that. If you think that’s worth £350k a week then well done. I’m with the crowd that thinks he’s a prick for the way he’s acted and should feck right off.

But there have been reports that an actual apology is required for him to be allowed back, that contradicts your post.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

but your precious Sancho can’t do that.

Good to see the point of the post went well over your head. Carry on.

 

[Tyrion]

All ten Hag had to do was just keep his mouth shut. That performance from Rashford yesterday amongst others was disgraceful. If he starts against Chelsea, I will seriously give up. But ten Hag won't say a word. If I'm seeing Rashford and others getting away with it week in, week out, no way would I be apologising either.

No-one really knows what is going on behind the scenes and I'm sure it will come out eventually but I wouldn't be surprised if other players have clocked what's going on and are losing respect for ten Hag as well.

Yeah Sancho probably should have apologized but I certainly don't blame him. And I wouldn't be surprised if he is at United longer than ten Hag.

Someone else being crap doesn't mean you get to contradict the manager publicly.

 

[soapythecat]

But there have been reports that an actual apology is required for him to be allowed back, that contradicts your post.

Because them reports are obviously true, eh?
What we do know is he reacted badly after been told ti work harder and is still out of the team and not training with the first team. A grown up conversation to say you would do what you have to, to get back in the team would maybe do the trick. Doesn’t have to be an apology and where has ETH stated he wants one?

 

[Tyrion]

This thread is an Oxymoron. Sancho and performances? Can't think of any of note that have had me off my seat.

I said jokingly when this thing with him first started that his daft tweet was his biggest impact since signing for us. I was right but didn't realise how much.

That's partly why I think the "but what about Rashford" defence is stupid. At least Rashford has done something positive in the last 2 seasons. Sancho was signed and has done nothing but "earn" money since.

 

[Yagami]

Can we just agree that Sancho has been found terribly lacking as a footballer and professional, for us? Who actually gives a flying feck how much hard work he put in as a 9/10/15 year old to reach where he has?

Oh, definitely. I can't think of one game of his where I thought "oh, so that's that talent we paid for". That goes for us and England. Even against weak teams he looked average, and that's being generous.

Think of all our big flops this past decade. I think everyone of them had at least one game where you saw why we bought them, and why they were rated as highly as they were. Even the likes of Di María and Alexis Sanchez had one class game. Sancho has had none. His best showing was probably that little cameo he had off the bench against Leicester.

 

[Pickle85]

Good to see the point of the post went well over your head. Carry on.

...

misguidedly trying to patronise someone

 

[antohan]

The crux of that point is that there was an element of hard work to achieving what he has achieved thus far. I could delve deeper but it would just become some needless back & forth.

I don’t disagree with the England or Southgate comments.

Some degree, sure, but nowhere near as much as is required to succeed at the very top tier, which is his undoing.

Young talents can impress with their raw talent or exceptional physicality beyond their years, but if you don't have the discipline and work ethic to keep that trajectory sooner or later they hit a brickwall.

 

[Sandikan]

Probably suits the lad down to the ground caining vast sums of money in and barely having any pressure of performing on the pitch to justify it.

 

[RedUnited86]

Probably suits the lad down to the ground caining vast sums of money in and barely having any pressure of performing on the pitch to justify it.

This could be the Sancho, Rashford or Martial thread with that comment.

 

[Sandikan]

This could be the Sancho, Rashford or Martial thread with that comment.

The difference is that Rashford has scored a tonne of goals for us. He shouldn't be in the same boat as the others.
He's also never gone on what is in effect strike or needed months off mid season to get himself right.

 

[Reapersoul20]

I honestly can't believe people are deluded enough to be supporting Sancho here. That's absolutely bonkers. ETH barely commented about him and he threw his toys out of the pram. He has been told to apologize and is so pig headed he hasn't done so in three months. If he was anything other than a complete and total wankstain he would have apologised by now. He should do it for his career, for the fans, for the team, for a multitude of reasons, but he continues to let himself down.

Get the prick out of the club even if ETH is gone.

 

[HTG]

The second you let him back without a sincere apology of his, you will have lost a whole locker room.

 

[McGrathsipan]

He's not prime fecking Zidane.

Out in January you unprofessional twat

 

[lex talionis]

Set them both, Sancho and Martial, free.

 

[lsd]

The second you let him back without a sincere apology of his, you will have lost a whole locker room.

You don't apologise to your manager for publicly criticising you particularly if you feel he was wrong.

Sancho has been left in an impossible position with nowhere to go and it's just very poor management.

All Ten Hag had to do was say nothing disparaging about him to the media but apparently that's too difficult for him.

Even to say it's tactical would have been better and that's poor too.

I think Ten Hag felt he had to say something as Antony was playing so badly and the media were starting to ask questions about favouritism and he had gambled so much on Antony.

Therefore he threw Sancho under the bus to try and protect his investment.

A manager is supposed to do what's best for the team not himself.

Now Sancho is finished at United and needs to get away as soon as possible and United are going nowhere either.

It's all a total disaster

 

[HTG]

You don't apologise to your manager for publicly criticising you particularly if you feel he was wrong.

Sancho has been left in an impossible position with nowhere to go and it's just very poor management.

All Ten Hag had to do was say nothing disparaging about him to the media but apparently that's too difficult for him.

Even to say it's tactical would have been better and that's poor too.

I think Ten Hag felt he had to say something as Antony was playing so badly and the media were starting to ask questions about favouritism and he had gambled so much on Antony.

Therefore he threw Sancho under the bus to try and protect his investment.

A manager is supposed to do what's best for the team not himself.

Now Sancho is finished at United and needs to get away as soon as possible and United are going nowhere either.

It's all a total disaster

Thoroughly disagree. Any player with character would react to public criticism by showing up on the field. Sancho decided to whine about it. His situation isn’t impossible at all. It is very easy. Apologise for his reaction and work hard on the field. That’s all he has to do. That’s all he’s getting paid for. His failure to do just that is more than enough reason to ice him out of the team.

Ten Hag is taking a stand and it’s been about time one of your managers did. Your locker room is a complete disaster. Your players are a bunch of divas without the slightest shred of character or ambition. The sooner someone establishes a professional atmosphere there, the better.
Letting Sancho back means that players at your club can do as they please. Playing hardball means that players are being held accountable for their actions and their lack of performance and character. You should root for accountability. That’s been missing at United for years.

Doesn’t surprise me even the slightest bit that some players want him back. They are probably afraid that they might have to put in actual work in the future if Sancho loses this.

If this was my club there’d be no more remedy for Sancho. That some fans actually defend someone making such a mockery of their club is baffling to me. SAF would have probably thrown shoes at Sancho till he passed out.