[AFC NimbleThumb]

Ok this will be fun. . .

Most people probably work hard and behave professionally at work, therefore apply the same standards to footballers and find it abhorrent that certain players lack those standards

He’s a (former, probably) England International who earnt a move to the biggest club in the world (we are) having relocated to a foreign country in his teens from perhaps the best run youth academy in football. Most people would recognise that as hard work but he won’t apologise to his boss over a disagreement his boss started so let’s ignore those facts.

I’m as disappointed as anyone in Sancho but ‘Most people probably work hard and behave professionally. . .’. Relax, we’re grown men/women on an internet forum. Sancho won’t be taking life advice from either of us.

Presuming it's jealously is a sad view of a group of people you don't know

Yet you felt the need to mention that he is. . .

earning vastly more money.

When is it you met Sancho again?

Looks a lot like you presuming something creating a sad view of a person you’ve never met. Maybe you should hold yourself to a standard in such cases.

Ironically Sancho, on performances alone probably shouldn’t play for the club again. No need to create further angst as you’ll only upset yourself further cause I’ll let you in on something. He’s going to continue earning vastly more money than you or I.

 

[SirMonteyne]

Sancho's situation is a complete mess. He was one of the first to arrive at the summer camp and was our best player during pre-season. However, he hasn't started any matches, even though he has proven himself to be good enough when coming off the bench in his few league games. Then that arsenal game, and the whole "unprofessional" thing.

I can understand if Sancho thinks he was not unprofessional and was trying his best. It is ETH's job to understand his player's feelings and reasoning.

 

[chocolate cloud]

Get rid of the useless idiot in January. Time for open heart surgery on the squad

 

[RedPed]

I'm sorry but what? Sancho has been one of the biggest culprits of putting in lazy, half assed performances since he joined us.

Rashford is doing it off the back of a 30+ goal season, what has Sancho ever done to warrant not apologising?

We've had about 7 good months in over 3 years from Rashford. People were all for him moving on before that mini resurgence. Apart from that he's been no better than Sancho apart from being followed by a different narrative. You're only as good as your last game. Rashford should be benched...end of. And I'll repeat it, if he starts against Chelsea ten Hag loses all credibility and makes a joke of the Sancho situation. I don't care what anybody says.

 

[pascell]

We've had about 7 good months in over 3 years from Rashford. People were all for him moving on before that mini resurgence. Apart from that he's been no better than Sancho apart from being followed by a different narrative. You're only as good as your last game. Rashford should be benched...end of. And I'll repeat it, if he starts against Chelsea ten Hag loses all credibility and makes a joke of the Sancho situation. I don't care what anybody says.

But Sancho was lazy and failed to track his runner plenty of times, let's not pretend he was great when he played.

 

[lex talionis]

Sancho is a player we probably can't offload, so it will be up to the new manager, whoever he may be, in January to resolve the situation.

 

[RedPed]

But Sancho was lazy and failed to track his runner plenty of times, let's not pretend he was great when he played.

I'm not disputing that. All I'm saying is that Rashford is no better but not getting the same venom. If it is true that this inconsistency is what is jarring the team, then that's on ten Hag. It's being reported that players are wanting Sancho to be re-integrated back into the team. They know more than you and I.

 

[hobbers]

Oh ya!! Unleash the beast!!

He's finally done all the virtual pro skill games on Fifa.

 

[jem]

Sancho's situation is a complete mess. He was one of the first to arrive at the summer camp and was our best player during pre-season. However, he hasn't started any matches, even though he has proven himself to be good enough when coming off the bench in his few league games. Then that arsenal game, and the whole "unprofessional" thing.

I can understand if Sancho thinks he was not unprofessional and was trying his best. It is ETH's job to understand his player's feelings and reasoning.

Or maybe ETH, unlike us, actually gets a chance to see him in training. Furthermore, Sancho hasn't really gone out of his way to prove him wrong since then.

 

[Loon]

Apparently now possibly waiting to see what “happens internally at United.”

Figures.

 

[Irwin99]

Apparently now possibly waiting to see what “happens internally at United.”

Figures.

Just the way it is with players now. I remember Shaw saying he knew he’d outlast Jose and pogba’s alleged “he fecked with the wrong baller” comment.

to his credit, Maguire has shown there are some players that fight to turn it around and prove the manager wrong.

 

[THE ZOL]

Sancho's situation is a complete mess. He was one of the first to arrive at the summer camp and was our best player during pre-season. However, he hasn't started any matches, even though he has proven himself to be good enough when coming off the bench in his few league games. Then that arsenal game, and the whole "unprofessional" thing.

I can understand if Sancho thinks he was not unprofessional and was trying his best. It is ETH's job to understand his player's feelings and reasoning.

Lest we forget Sancho was one of our best performers as a false 9. He was fit and pressing intensely. For some reason Ten Hag brought him off the bench at left-wing. Against Wolves we started to control the game better, against Spurs the game (and Sancho’s head) were probably already gone.

Or maybe ETH, unlike us, actually gets a chance to see him in training. Furthermore, Sancho hasn't really gone out of his way to prove him wrong since then.

You still trust Ten Hag’s judgement after our horrible form since the 7-0 at Anfield? You still trust his judgment as he persists with this 3-1-6 system that has seen us concede the same type of goal and show the same flaws over and over again? He can’t even assess and correct the same repeated problems we are seeing on the pitch!

 

[united for life]

All ten Hag had to do was just keep his mouth shut. That performance from Rashford yesterday amongst others was disgraceful. If he starts against Chelsea, I will seriously give up. But ten Hag won't say a word. If I'm seeing Rashford and others getting away with it week in, week out, no way would I be apologising either.

No-one really knows what is going on behind the scenes and I'm sure it will come out eventually but I wouldn't be surprised if other players have clocked what's going on and are losing respect for ten Hag as well.

Yeah Sancho probably should have apologized but I certainly don't blame him. And I wouldn't be surprised if he is at United longer than ten Hag.

Like you said, no one really know what’s happening behind closed doors. But Matic gave a hint yesterday. Players are late to training. He mentioned Pogba and Sancho. What’s worse than not performing well on match day is not showing up for training.

there is always something happening united’s dressing room; it’s the toxic set up of the club that’s hurting us, not the manager. We need to solve the issue first

 

[Pickle85]

Ok this will be fun. . .

He’s a (former, probably) England International who earnt a move to the biggest club in the world (we are) having relocated to a foreign country in his teens from perhaps the best run youth academy in football. Most people would recognise that as hard work but he won’t apologise to his boss over a disagreement his boss started so let’s ignore those facts.

I’m as disappointed as anyone in Sancho but ‘Most people probably work hard and behave professionally. . .’. Relax, we’re grown men/women on an internet forum. Sancho won’t be taking life advice from either of us.

Yet you felt the need to mention that he is. . .

When is it you met Sancho again?

Looks a lot like you presuming something creating a sad view of a person you’ve never met. Maybe you should hold yourself to a standard in such cases.

Ironically Sancho, on performances alone probably shouldn’t play for the club again. No need to create further angst as you’ll only upset yourself further cause I’ll let you in on something. He’s going to continue earning vastly more money than you or I.

The bolded is in the past. Nothing about his current behaviour/attitude, from what we are able to see of it, gives the impression that he's working hard now. And even in the past coaches raised question marks over his work ethic and professionalism. Just because someone is naturally gifted doesn't also make them a hard worker. But talent can only sustain you for so long and it looks like that's playing out here.

As for the second bolded bit, what about the poster's post implied they were directly giving Sancho life advice or presuming that he'd be reading this forum to receive it? Or were you misguidedly trying to patronise someone to argue against a point that the poster never made?

Your whole post is a mess of weird wilful blindness to Sancho's lack of professionalism and work ethic which you try to cover with 'he shouldn't play for us again because he's performed poorly', which totally ignores the fact that his attitude and work ethic are both contributing factors to the way he's performed. The two are inseparable.

 

[TheGame]

 

[Insanity]

Where is the management team in all this?

ETH said something, Sancho didn't like it, and now Sancho is banished and gets paid for doing nothing.

Where does the genius John Murtough feature in all this? What has he done or doing about the situation?

Or is everyone resigned to the fact that he'll leave in January to play for someone else while we keep footing his extortionate salary bill?

 

[SilentWitness]

I'd genuinely be tempted to try and take him on loan. Dyche is really good at man management and dealing with 'tricky' situations.

 

[golden_blunder]

I'm not disputing that. All I'm saying is that Rashford is no better but not getting the same venom. If it is true that this inconsistency is what is jarring the team, then that's on ten Hag. It's being reported that players are wanting Sancho to be re-integrated back into the team. They know more than you and I.

Rashford isn’t turning up late for training

 

[stefan92]

Rashford isn’t turning up late for training

And when he was, he was dropped and EtH said so.

Sancho wasn't dropped for being late but for his performances. EtH said nothing about Sancho being late (although that has been a problem with Sancho in the past).

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Training like a beast

 

[justsomebloke]

Sancho's situation is a complete mess. He was one of the first to arrive at the summer camp and was our best player during pre-season. However, he hasn't started any matches, even though he has proven himself to be good enough when coming off the bench in his few league games. Then that arsenal game, and the whole "unprofessional" thing.

I can understand if Sancho thinks he was not unprofessional and was trying his best. It is ETH's job to understand his player's feelings and reasoning.

Really? Sancho was our best player during pre-season?

 

[Pexbo]

Where is the management team in all this?

ETH said something, Sancho didn't like it, and now Sancho is banished and gets paid for doing nothing.

Where does the genius John Murtough feature in all this? What has he done or doing about the situation?

Or is everyone resigned to the fact that he'll leave in January to play for someone else while we keep footing his extortionate salary bill?

Yeah man bring back player power

 

[golden_blunder]

And when he was, he was dropped and EtH said so.

Sancho wasn't dropped for being late but for his performances. EtH said nothing about Sancho being late (although that has been a problem with Sancho in the past).

Well if his coach thinks his performances are dropping and he’s turning up late for training then I can absolutely see why ETH has taken a hardline with him. If you’re not putting the extra effort into training when your performances are questioned then you’re not a footballer of the highest level. The onus is on Sancho to hold his hand up and own it. But he hasn’t. It’s all on him.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

I knew you’d find me. . .

The bolded is in the past. Nothing about his current behaviour/attitude, from what we are able to see of it, gives the impression that he's working hard now. And even in the past coaches raised question marks over his work ethic and professionalism. Just because someone is naturally gifted doesn't also make them a hard worker. But talent can only sustain you for so long and it looks like that's playing out here.

‘from what we are able to see of it,’, so you mean nothing then.

You later mention wilful blindness, then talk about his achievements being ‘in the past’ as if you, determine the statute of limitations on the subject. Moving on.

As for the second bolded bit, what about the poster's post implied they were directly giving Sancho life advice or presuming that he'd be reading this forum to receive it? Or were you misguidedly trying to patronise someone to argue against a point that the poster never made?

So let’s look at your post. . .

Nothing about his current behaviour/attitude, from what we are able to see of it, gives the impression that he's working hard now.

What about my post implies. . . i think he is working hard now?

Just because someone is naturally gifted doesn't also make them a hard worker.

I said becoming an international footballer & earning yourself a move to Manchester United takes hard work. It does. Context matters.

What about my post implies. . . I believe he’s currently a hard worker?

But talent can only sustain you for so long and it looks like that's playing out here.

What about my post implies. . . talent alone will sustain him forever?

Your whole post is a mess of weird wilful blindness to Sancho's lack of professionalism and work ethic which you try to cover with 'he shouldn't play for us again because he's performed poorly',

No. My post is one where I called someone out who says it’s wrong to judge people they’ve never met for. . . judging someone they’ve never met.

which totally ignores the fact that his attitude and work ethic are both contributing factors to the way he's performed. The two are inseparable.

What about my post implies. . . I believe his attitude & work ethic haven’t contributed to this underwhelming time for the player?

I’m sure we’ve been here before. It’s becoming tiresome.

 

[stefan92]

Well if his coach thinks his performances are dropping and he’s turning up late for training then I can absolutely see why ETH has taken a hardline with him. If you’re not putting the extra effort into training when your performances are questioned then you’re not a footballer of the highest level. The onus is on Sancho to hold his hand up and own it. But he hasn’t. It’s all on him.

But was he turning up late for training under EtH's management? EtH said nothing about this, but wasn't shy to say so when other players were late. I don't disagree on the rest, I just see no proof that being late was a problem (this season!).

 

[golden_blunder]

But was he turning up late for training under EtH's management? EtH said nothing about this, but wasn't shy to say so when other players were late. I don't disagree on the rest, I just see no proof that being late was a problem (this season!).

I’m sure that I read somewhere that he was turning up late too

 

[flameinthesun]

Sancho is a player we probably can't offload, so it will be up to the new manager, whoever he may be, in January to resolve the situation.

Highly unlikely there will be a new manager in January and Sancho can be offloaded, maybe not to recoup the money we spent but I would say its more likely that Sancho gets sold in January than Ten Hag getting sacked.

 

[caid]

I dont care if we swap manager, he shouldn't be back in the squad in any circumstances. You follow the managers instructions or get lost, you dont get to pick and choose who you will and wont play for.

 

[TheGame]

Yeah man bring back player power

Caf: Player power is a disgrace.

Also some on Caf: The players want Sancho back so he should be brought back.

 

[crossy1686]

Get rid of the useless idiot in January. Time for open heart surgery on the squad

Comments like this will never stop being funny

 

[Robbie Boy]

Training like a beast

That tickled me too

 

[Kostov]

He probably feels that he will outlive the manager here, I think he will stay.

 

[Pickle85]

I knew you’d find me. . .

‘from what we are able to see of it,’, so you mean nothing then.

You later mention wilful blindness, then talk about his achievements being ‘in the past’ as if you, determine the statute of limitations on the subject. Moving on.

So let’s look at your post. . .

What about my post implies. . . i think he is working hard now?

I said becoming an international footballer & earning yourself a move to Manchester United takes hard work. It does. Context matters.

What about my post implies. . . I believe he’s currently a hard worker?

What about my post implies. . . talent alone will sustain him forever?

No. My post is one where I called someone out who says it’s wrong to judge people they’ve never met for. . . judging someone they’ve never met.

What about my post implies. . . I believe his attitude & work ethic haven’t contributed to this underwhelming time for the player?

I’m sure we’ve been here before. It’s becoming tiresome.

I don't disagree that it's becoming tiresome.

‘from what we are able to see of it,’, so you mean nothing then.

No, I mean exactly what I said, which is from what we are able to see of it - reports from multiple sources that have him as a poor trainer and someone that turns up late with regularity.

You later mention wilful blindness, then talk about his achievements being ‘in the past’ as if you, determine the statute of limitations on the subject. Moving on.

I'm not sure what you're on about re a statute of limitations but on current evidence he is anything but a hard worker. Do you disagree with that?

What about my post implies. . . i think he is working hard now?

You said: He’s a (former, probably) England International who earnt a move to the biggest club in the world (we are) having relocated to a foreign country in his teens from perhaps the best run youth academy in football. Most people would recognise that as hard work but he won’t apologise to his boss over a disagreement his boss started so let’s ignore those facts.

This implies that people erroneously no longer view him as a hard worker because he won't apologise to ETH. Or else what relevance does the latter part (not apologising to his boss) have to the former (Sancho being a hard worker)? You're implying that the argument with ETH has stopped him from being able to continue the hard work that got him to where he is. This obviously conveniently ignores the other people that have questioned his work ethic/professionalism in the past, including Southgate, Matic, Guardiola and Favre.

I said becoming an international footballer & earning yourself a move to Manchester United takes hard work. It does. Context matters.

It's all relative to the industry you're in and the people you're around. Some are so gifted that they can get away with putting in significantly less effort than others while still succeeding and I would place Sancho among these people. I would hazard that the majority of PL footballers have had to work harder than Sancho to get where they are because most are not as naturally gifted. This is obviously totally unquantifiable, of course, but just my opinion.

What about my post implies. . . I believe he’s currently a hard worker?

Already addressed.

What about my post implies. . . talent alone will sustain him forever?

Nothing, but my point was that it won't.

No. My post is one where I called someone out who says it’s wrong to judge people they’ve never met for. . . judging someone they’ve never met.

Your post was insinuating that people express the opinion that Sancho is a lazy, unprofessional waste of money because they're jealous. Which is bizarre.

 

[Insanity]

Yeah man bring back player power

feck Yeah Man!

Playerrrrr....Powerrrrrr!

That's exactly what my post meant.

 

[Slevs]

Training like a beast

This waste of space is waiting for Ten Hag to get sacked so he can snake himself back into the squad, playing the victim with the new manager.

Hopefully we get rid in January.

 

[Annihilate Now!]

He probably feels that he will outlive the manager here, I think he will stay.

Will be very interested to see the reception he gets at Old Trafford if that does happen.

I don't think it'll be a particularly positive one

 

[Red00012]

On the same day Sancho is training like a beast it gets reported that ETH has lost half the dressing room I smell a rat

 

[ShinjiNinja26]

Feck this clown. The sooner we get rid the better.

 

[GledTheRed]

He can't be any worse than Rashford...

 

[CassiusClaymore]

He probably feels that he will outlive the manager here, I think he will stay.

He almost certainly will but he still needs to go.