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The guys an utter waste of space and money. Its not like he'd even be a loss if he never plays again. Tbh I didn't even notice he was missing today.
 
Fergie never blamed these players for lack of trying.

Beckham, Keane and Rooney were always professional on the pitch.

"He was careless," said the United boss.

"Wayne has to play on the edge of a game, when it is really close and competitive.

"When the game gets to that casual bit, he is worse than the rest of them.

"He gets really casual about it. It is better when he is on the edge. Then he is a marvellous player."

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...critical-of-twogoal-wayne-rooney-7647256.html
 
Fergie never blamed these players for lack of trying.

Beckham, Keane and Rooney were always professional on the pitch.
Thats wrong. Fergie called out Rooney Im pretty sure.
Saying that, ETH didn’t say Sancho didn’t try
 
Regardless of the post match circus it says a lot that Hannibal, Pellistri and Gore are picked ahead of our 80 million winger as a bench option.
 
"He was careless," said the United boss.

"Wayne has to play on the edge of a game, when it is really close and competitive.

"When the game gets to that casual bit, he is worse than the rest of them.

"He gets really casual about it. It is better when he is on the edge. Then he is a marvellous player."

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...critical-of-twogoal-wayne-rooney-7647256.html

This was after Rooney scored a brace in a game United won 4-0.

If anything, this goes to show how high up Alex Ferguson’s standards were.

Let’s put this into the current climate. If Rashford scored 2 goals today while United won 4-0, Ten Hag would be hounded out of England if he made the same comments about Rashford.

This is not the flex you think it is.
 
To be fair to Sancho and I know, I'll get a bit of stick for this, on one hand Sancho has objectively been shite. On the other, ETH's team set up and the lack of midfielders/control and cohesion is not helping things. Obviously, that affects everyone in the team, not just Sancho but we really should be getting more out of our players.

@Fortitude deja vu for us :(
I think it’s truly curtains this time. He’s not a ten Hag player and the wolves were already baying for his blood before this canister of gasoline was thrown on the bonfire.
 
This was after Rooney scored a brace in a game United won 4-0.

If anything, this goes to show how high up Alex Ferguson’s standards were.

Let’s put this into the current climate. If Rashford scored 2 goals today while United won 4-0, Ten Hag would be hounded out of England if he made the same comments about Rashford.

This is not the flex you think it is.

I don't know what your last sentence means.
 
Came across this comment on Reddit



Hopefully thats the case. And if it is that case then Sancho should fire the person who wrote that abomination of a statement
I really hope so. The part of Sancho's statement that puts all that to bed though is the part where he mentions 'other reasons for this matter that I won't go into'. What is he trying to insinuate here ? That ETH dropped him unfairly ? that ETH has favourites ?

That is basically publicly questioning the manager in any profession that's a huge problem.
 
I feel sorry for Jadon. Things just aren't working for him here, and it doesn't seem like he can handle it or deliver.

I think the biggest issue is he isn't suited to RW in a 433/4231, or certainly not when we have full backs inverting and the wingers holding the width. In comparison to his RW/ wide 10 role at Dortmund with Hakimi holding the width. He's simply behind Rashford and now Garnacho at LW. He'd possibly be able to play as a 10 with two DMs behind him, but its not how we're playing currently and he'd have Mount and Bruno ahead of him there. He's maybe serviceable as a false 9 but Hojlund will be the main striker before long. Maybe Sancho should be ahead of Martial, but Martial has strength and experience playing that position so you can see why Martial got the game today. I guess they fell out before which is why Gore was on the bench instead of Sancho. Worrying signs, but Sancho doesn't have enough clout to win a battle vs ETH.

Ultimately I hope Diallo can replace Sancho, and provide some genuine competition for Antony, and some similarity to Sancho in terms of skill set.
 
Wouldn’t worry, it’s standard reaction for idiots who love a player who dances around like a prat, bit like Pogba and Lingard. Everyone can see Sancho is not performing and was given so much rope to last season to try to stem the decline but he’s not united material and ETH knows this
It's reassuring to hear this. I need to get off that app.
 
So you’re happy for the club to take the so called dirty money for a player? Interesting hypocritical positions by all you anti Qatar brigade.
I do not want any of their money full stop.
I just apologised for thinking the poster wanting them to take ownership.
 
Should have been sold in the summer but thanks Ed for giving him 350k and meaning he will probably be here for another three years as he sees out the contract and leaves on a free.

Anyway part of me was thinking Sancho comments could actually be aimed at "fans" online rather than stuff who are calling him out / saying he's lazy etc. But even if that's the case his statement is so vague in terms of that. A lot to unpack.

If it's a shot at the management (Eth) just say it, don't be a coward, go all in.
He brings up 'other reasons' , but then he cant go into it. So what's the point?

Then the whole fight for the badge, well, won't go into that.

The tweet below from Ornstein is from 2019.



Maybe this is his way of forcing a move much like how Suarez would bite somebody to get his way
 
He could play for Juventus. I think that would be a good next step for him, without losing too much face.

Without losing too much face? The way you guys talk about other clubs comes off super arrogant. United hasn't been creme de la creme for years.
 
Is that you Sancho? Did you forget all the support EtH gave you last season, even though you're not a "favourite"


It's the truth unless you are a manager who holds every player to the same standard and years them all equally you cannot publically criticise a player.

We know Ten Hag has his favourites and therefore he's out of line to then go and throw another player under the bus.

If Ten Hag had spent 90 million on Sancho he would be starting every single hand and that's the bottom line here.

It's another drama we don't need and just typical of United since Fergie left.
 
How about a big money loan to Saudi Arabia for this season, then see where we are with things next summer., give Pellistri a proper chance this season.
 
Did the manager indicate the issues in those articles are at the root of this issue now? If not, it's super weird for you guys to scour the internet for negative articles about him
 
It's the truth unless you are a manager who holds every player to the same standard and years them all equally you cannot publically criticise a player.

We know Ten Hag has his favourites and therefore he's out of line to then go and throw another player under the bus.

If Ten Hag had spent 90 million on Sancho he would be starting every single hand and that's the bottom line here.

It's another drama we don't need and just typical of United since Fergie left.
Load of rubbish. Sancho started alot under ETH start of last season. There was even a spell where he dropped Antony for a run of games and Sancho started.

Guess what happened? Not only was Sancho rubbish, but he didnt track back, didn’t contest duels and didn’t press.

He later disappeared off the face of the earth for months. At a crucial part of the season for us. Manager backed him
 
I really hope so. The part of Sancho's statement that puts all that to bed though is the part where he mentions 'other reasons for this matter that I won't go into'. What is he trying to insinuate here ? That ETH dropped him unfairly ? that ETH has favourites ?

That is basically publicly questioning the manager in any profession that's a huge problem.


No the problem with that is it's true and everyone can see that.

That's the issue managers should not be playing favouritism so obviously and Ten Hag is doing that.

It just creates these issues and it's a distraction we could do without.

The best thing for Ten Hag to do in this instance was say nothing but he didn't do that and now Sancho reacted
 
No the problem with that is it's true and everyone can see that.

That's the issue managers should not be playing favouritism so obviously and Ten Hag is doing that.

It just creates these issues and it's a distraction we could do without.

The best thing for Ten Hag to do in this instance was say nothing but he didn't do that and now Sancho reacted
What favourites ? What are you talking about ?

Who does Sancho deserve to start ahead of ? :lol:
 
Load of rubbish. Sancho started alot under ETH start of last season. There was even a spell where he dropped Antony for a run of games and Sancho started.

Guess what happened? Not only was Sancho rubbish, but he didnt track back, didn’t contest duels and didn’t press.

He later disappeared off the face of the earth for months. At a crucial part of the season for us. Manager backed him

You mean when Antony got injured? Sancho looked great better on the right wing during that period but for some reason come the FA Cup final ten hag changed it
 
You mean when Antony got injured? Sancho looked great better on the right wing during that period but for some reason come the FA Cup final ten hag changed it
No he was benched not when he was injured. This was before the new year

Sancho never looked great at RW towards the end of last season
 
It's hard to wrap my head around how poor he must be to get dropped on the basis of training when Antony and Martial continue to get picked on the basis of their on-field play.
 
I feel sorry for Jadon. Things just aren't working for him here, and it doesn't seem like he can handle it or deliver.

I think the biggest issue is he isn't suited to RW in a 433/4231, or certainly not when we have full backs inverting and the wingers holding the width. In comparison to his RW/ wide 10 role at Dortmund with Hakimi holding the width. He's simply behind Rashford and now Garnacho at LW. He'd possibly be able to play as a 10 with two DMs behind him, but its not how we're playing currently and he'd have Mount and Bruno ahead of him there. He's maybe serviceable as a false 9 but Hojlund will be the main striker before long. Maybe Sancho should be ahead of Martial, but Martial has strength and experience playing that position so you can see why Martial got the game today. I guess they fell out before which is why Gore was on the bench instead of Sancho. Worrying signs, but Sancho doesn't have enough clout to win a battle vs ETH.

Ultimately I hope Diallo can replace Sancho, and provide some genuine competition for Antony, and some similarity to Sancho in terms of skill set.
Nothing to feel sorry for Sancho. He had ample opportunity to play under 3 different managers under 3 different systems and he failed to shine under any of them. He has been completely anonymous for most of his time here. He only has himself to blame. He just doesn't have the mentality to play for a big club.
 
It's hard to wrap my head around how poor he must be to get dropped on the basis of training when Antony and Martial continue to get picked on the basis of their on-field play.
Antony atleast gives it his all on the pitch. You can see that in todays match as well. We can safely assume his training performances are better than Sancho. Martial is only starting because we had no other fit striker to start and Rashford made it obvious that he doesn't want to play as a striker.

ETH's comment was a nothing comment anyways. He was basically saying others trained better and he had other options to choose from for those positions. Not the same as Martial as he didn't have other options. I'm pretty sure that once Hojlund is fully fit, you'll find Martial on the bench.
 
I think it’s truly curtains this time. He’s not a ten Hag player and the wolves were already baying for his blood before this canister of gasoline was thrown on the bonfire.

Just read Sanchos' statement and saw ETH's quote on video. On the former, like someone has said already, I just think it's been poorly worded and ill-advised. His intention was likely to address and preempt the 'Sancho is lazy, a poor performer' comments from fans/pundits (?) and not really aimed at ETH.

Now looking at ETH's comments, you would hope someone would come out of this in a 'positive' way. Confrontation can be good and in Sancho's case may be used as a catalyst but the worse thing is, that I don't expect anything to change. He's probably 'content' to accept the criticism but won't react passionately in either direction to make ETH change his mind on him. So he may just continue to be on the peripheral just like his last two years here.
 
Fergie never blamed these players for lack of trying.

Beckham, Keane and Rooney were always professional on the pitch.

yes but I mean no one said the club was going down the drain as a result of a falling out. These things happen and most people seem to be siding with the manger because they haven’t seen any evidence that Sancho is willing to turn things around
 
Without losing too much face? The way you guys talk about other clubs comes off super arrogant. United hasn't been creme de la creme for years.
As if Juve would even want him on 350k/week. He will remain here until the day his contract ends, unfortunately.
 
Came across this comment on Reddit



Hopefully thats the case. And if it is that case then Sancho should fire the person who wrote that abomination of a statement
He clearly wrote it himself
 
It's the truth unless you are a manager who holds every player to the same standard and years them all equally you cannot publically criticise a player.

We know Ten Hag has his favourites and therefore he's out of line to then go and throw another player under the bus.

If Ten Hag had spent 90 million on Sancho he would be starting every single hand and that's the bottom line here.

It's another drama we don't need and just typical of United since Fergie left.
Are you suggesting Sancho has deserved more games at RW ahead of Antony? You can’t be, seriously? His positional understanding is worse, his press is worse, his tracking back is worse, his stamina is worse, his tactical understanding is worse, his fight is worse, his speed in transition is worse, his attacking end product is worse, his attitude is worse, his mental strength is worse.

Or his he a misunderstood genius on his fifth straight manager who doesn’t know how to utilise him properly?

Sancho is not a victim of favoritism, nor is he a scapegoat.
 
It's nonsense though it's another manager that has his favourite and tests them better than the rest.
I am not sure I agree. Sancho was playing from the start when Ten Hag first came in, he played off the left from the Liverpool game onwards. Didn't perform. Middle of the season he gives him 3 months off... comes back and most games Rashford played up top it was with Sancho on the left. Didn't perform. Tried him in a new position as right sided #10. Didn't perform.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Ten Hag has been perfect. But he has been given a run of games, he's been given time off, he's been given a new position to play. How many more chances do we need to give him? As much as I don't rate Antony at least you know that 80% of the games he plays Antony is going to work his ass off, know when to come in/when to hold width and keep the ball higher up the pitch for us. Sancho only does the last for us.
 
Feel free to leave. You have phoned it in since you got here. Arrived unfit in your first year and that should have been the first alarm bell . When you have put a string of performances together maybe then we can listen to your bitching
 
It's hard to wrap my head around how poor he must be to get dropped on the basis of training when Antony and Martial continue to get picked on the basis of their on-field play.
Rashford doesn't defend nearly as much as other players on the team. The only reason Rashford can get space like he did for his goal is because Antony is working his ass off in defense to balance out the lack of bodies at the back . That's how the team is set up. If Rashford would track back more we wouldn't get these deadly counters.

Sancho hasn't shown he can fit either role. We'd be worse in attack with him on either flank, he's not replacing Bruno and he's not a striker.

There's just not much to like about him really. So many players in the PL that play similarly to him but are better.
 
Being honest, he's obviously not going to make it here, is he? I can't remember any player who was so underwhelming and lacking fight that turned it around and came good after this long. He doesn't work here, we need to sell him ASAP.
 
Bye, bye, Jadon. Another spoilt brat… toxic for dressing room. Is there some contractual obligation to give a sh*t and make an effort in the workplace? Can the club fine him? Would be useful to get a few clawback pounds for this clown …. Would help for FPP.
 
It's hard to wrap my head around how poor he must be to get dropped on the basis of training when Antony and Martial continue to get picked on the basis of their on-field play.
Probably get picked off of training too. Sanchos on field display is worse than Antonys especially in terms of his application

All 3 players are not good enough for United
 


Ten Hag: “Based on, uh, performance in the training, we didn’t select him. No (it wasn’t a form of discipline), you have to reach a level every day at Man United and we can make choices (aka have options) in the front line, so for this game he wasn’t selected.”

Media: “Sancho dropped from the squad due to his poor performances in training not meeting the standards of Manchester United”

Twitter: “How bad do you have to be to get dropped from the squad completely?! Always knew he was - unprofessional/a wrong-un/lazy/always late/rubbish/overpaid/probably addicted to pills”

Sancho: “Please don't believe everything you read! I will not allow people saying things that is completely untrue, I have conducted myself in training very well this week. I believe there are other reasons for this matter that I won't go into, l've been a scapegoat for a long time which isn't fair!
All I want to do is play football with a smile on my face and contribute to my team. I respect all decisions that are made by the coaching staff, I play with fantastic players and grateful to do so which I know every week is a challenge. I will continue to fight for this badge no matter what!”

Based on my (good faith) interpretation of what ten Hag ACTUALLY said in the press conference and the fact we currently have 7 attackers competing for 3 starting spots it doesnt seem wild to me that Sancho was just left out this week as the coaching staff felt the other players trained better. Being 7th best out of 7 attackers is not a glowing reference for Sancho’s application but its not necessarily the damning indictment people are suggesting it is either.

Sanchos statement actually makes more sense under that interpretation as he says he “respects all decisions made by the coaching staff” and that although “every week is a challenge” he plans to “continue to fight” for the badge and presumably his place.

  • The lines about ‘not believing everything you read’ and ‘people saying things that are untrue’ could easily refer to the press and fans on twitter.
  • The ‘reasons’ that he ‘wont go into’ like many other footballers before him that have felt unfairly maligned by the lazy/unprofessional tag could be perceived racial bias from the press.
  • The feeling of being a ‘scapegoat for a long time’ would therefore more likely to refer to the constant criticism in the press/fanbase rather than referring to the man who gave him 3 months off, organised personalised training for him in his own country, is part of the coaching staff that he “respects” and who hasn’t once betrayed his trust publicly by revealing the reasons he went away last year.

Maybe I’m giving Sancho too much credit and it was just a tantrum lashing out at ten Hag but what he wrote seems so contradictory and implausible - I prefer to believe its just a very poorly worded statement by a footballer trying to clear his name on twitter rather than the career suicide of calling his manager a liar.
 
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