[NewGlory]

Wait what Is this in regards to yesterdays game? If so we barely had a shot on target never mind creating clear cut chances and Sancho didn't create anything either way. feels like I watch a completely different game when it comes to Sancho apparently he's a pressing animal who's footballing IQ is so superior he doesn't have to actually complete a pass because he so clear to are other players they're not worthy of receiving such a intelligent pass and that's why he fecks up so many 3 yard passes.

That wasn't the point at all. You stated that poor Cavani and Ronaldo had no serve. That is patently untrue. They got a lot of assists from both Shaw and AWB and others. Lots of real opportunities that they completely wasted, where strikers of their experience and skill should have scored 100%. At least one each, which would have been 3 points us, everything else the same.

Sancho didn't attack well yesterday. He should absolutely have done way better but he was still head and shoulders better than Rashford and at least Sancho really helped in defense, which Rashford didnt even do that.

So the point is, you are cutting slack to Ronaldo and Cavani both of whom were dreadful and singling out Sancho who at least was better than the guy he was replaced with.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

He’s been very poor. We would expect him to be a player who can make good decision when on the ball whether to pass or to shoot but he made too many incorrect decision for someone who is supposed to be a creative player. An example was when Greenwood made a switch play to him and he had a chance to either pass it to Ronaldo or even better option Cavani but he chose to shoot from outside the box which to me was the wrong decision.

 

[MUFC OK]

This was a poor decision more than anything, he cut inside when he should have gone straight for goal. Again, if we were dominating he'd be a lot better as he's very good in tight spaces.

How good would bernado silva be on the counterattack btw?

 

[RooneyLegend]

He has an excellent agent getting 350 a week on his first deal here. I’m convinced that the money weighs heavily on the players too and creates a vicious circle mentality. I’m sure Sancho fully knows he’s currently not worth anywhere neat 350 in this league. I’m sure he can see plenty of his team mates aren’t worth their money either. After a while all you can do is shrug your shoulders and take the money and trot out lines about needing to improve. I’d say he’s embarrassed by what he and his team mates are serving up. 350 a week for a young player. What’s he going to charge us in his prime?

35k a week in his prime at this rate.

 

[Relevated]

He has an excellent agent getting 350 a week on his first deal here. I’m convinced that the money weighs heavily on the players too and creates a vicious circle mentality. I’m sure Sancho fully knows he’s currently not worth anywhere neat 350 in this league. I’m sure he can see plenty of his team mates aren’t worth their money either. After a while all you can do is shrug your shoulders and take the money and trot out lines about needing to improve. I’d say he’s embarrassed by what he and his team mates are serving up. 350 a week for a young player. What’s he going to charge us in his prime?

In previous years the only good thing about coming to Utd has been the money... thats the issue.

 

[Zehner]

He has an excellent agent getting 350 a week on his first deal here. I’m convinced that the money weighs heavily on the players too and creates a vicious circle mentality. I’m sure Sancho fully knows he’s currently not worth anywhere neat 350 in this league. I’m sure he can see plenty of his team mates aren’t worth their money either. After a while all you can do is shrug your shoulders and take the money and trot out lines about needing to improve. I’d say he’s embarrassed by what he and his team mates are serving up. 350 a week for a young player. What’s he going to charge us in his prime?

How is that overpaid? The only Bundesliga player who was clearly better than him was Lewandowski. He's outshone proven world class attackers like Gnabry, Coman, Reus and so forth and was at least toe to toe with Müller and Haaland. It was the wrong career choice to join United at this stage quite obviously but overpaid? Nah. I'm sure the club is as much of a let down to him as he is to you.

It's actually mind blowing that player, club and fans are so disappointed because all of this was so foreseeable. Stylewise Sancho was always going to be a terrible fit for this squad.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

May be we should have just spend the money on Grealish. Feels like Grealish style is more suitable for us than Sancho. Ironically, I think Sancho style is more suitable for Pep than Grealish’s

 

[Hansi Fick]

May be we should have just spend the money on Grealish. Feels like Grealish style is more suitable for us than Sancho. Ironically, I think Sancho style is more suitable for Pep than Grealish’s

How would you know which style will be suitable for you when you don't know who will manage you?

 

[mu4c_20le]

How is that overpaid? The only Bundesliga player who was clearly better than him was Lewandowski. He's outshone proven world class attackers like Gnabry, Coman, Reus and so forth and was at least toe to toe with Müller and Haaland. It was the wrong career choice to join United at this stage quite obviously but overpaid? Nah. I'm sure the club is as much of a let down to him as he is to you.

It's actually mind blowing that player, club and fans are so disappointed because all of this was so foreseeable. Stylewise Sancho was always going to be a terrible fit for this squad.

You mean the Arsenal and Serie A rejects, and the has been?

 

[Frank White]

That wasn't the point at all. You stated that poor Cavani and Ronaldo had no serve. That is patently untrue. They got a lot of assists from both Shaw and AWB and others. Lots of real opportunities that they completely wasted, where strikers of their experience and skill should have scored 100%. At least one each, which would have been 3 points us, everything else the same.

Sancho didn't attack well yesterday. He should absolutely have done way better but he was still head and shoulders better than Rashford and at least Sancho really helped in defense, which Rashford didnt even do that.

So the point is, you are cutting slack to Ronaldo and Cavani both of whom were dreadful and singling out Sancho who at least was better than the guy he was replaced with.

Wrong person didn't say anything about Ronaldo or Cavani...

As for Sancho being head and shoulders above Rashford atm that means very little and even then that's debatable. What did he do in the defence that was so good? very little successful presses and 1 tackle and that was in wolves final 3rd, for 75 minutes that is pretty shit.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

How would you know which style will be suitable for you when you don't know who will manage you?

Our manager was Ole. Grealish's style will suit Ole more than Pep.

 

[TheLord]

There are only three positives so far:
1. We probably saved around 20 million as Dortmund were apparently adamant on not selling up for anything less than 100-ish million in the previous transfer window.
2. A proper manager may yet transform him into the “sensational talent” we all hoped he would be.
3. Very young, so will gradually improve as he adjusts his life in England even if all the managers continue to be crappy

 

[Zehner]

You mean the Arsenal and Serie A rejects, and the has been?

No, I mean the players that regularly make EPL top 6 teams look like the HSV.

 

[Martial'sEmergingSmile]

Thanks. Appreciate you taking the time.

Looking at it again, I'm doubting what I first saw. I can't quite decide whether it was a little bit overhit by Greenwood or if a player with top level pace would have ended up with an easy 1v1...going back and forth.

Impressive run by Ronaldo though. I know his pressing stats are bad, but I do think he plays with a lot more intensity and desire than he's given credit for. A run like this one won't show up on any statsheet but I think his work-rate - off-ball runs, tracking back, dropping back into the half spaces to get involved - has been good recently.

 

[thegregster]

No, I mean the players that regularly make EPL top 6 teams look like the HSV.

Bayern will get stuffed when they come up against Liverpool,City or Chelsea this season. That covid CL win really papered over a lot of the cracks in their team.

Dortmund couldn't even get past Ajax.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Thanks. Appreciate you taking the time.

Looking at it again, I'm doubting what I first saw. I can't quite decide whether it was a little bit overhit by Greenwood or if a player with top level pace would have ended up with an easy 1v1...going back and forth.

Impressive run by Ronaldo though. I know his pressing stats are bad, but I do think he plays with a lot more intensity and desire than he's given credit for. A run like this one won't show up on any statsheet but I think his work-rate - off-ball runs, tracking back, dropping back into the half spaces to get involved - has been good recently.

The pass was fine.

The simple answer is he realised he didn't have the top end speed to take on the defender, so he slowed him down to look for options.

Greenwood appears so he tries to get it to him, but the angle is ruined. He then turns to try and play in Ronaldo, but his turn is a little slow and the defender reads it and cuts it out.

While it may look bad I don't really think there's a lot he could have done differently. Perhaps if his fitness was peak he could have carried it all the way for a shot, or go back at the defender 1v1 when he stopped him.

 

[Zehner]

Bayern will get stuffed when they come up against Liverpool,City or Chelsea this season. That covid CL win really papered over a lot of the cracks in their team.

Dortmund couldn't even get past Ajax.

I don't think you knw what you're talking about. Trust me, there's nobody on this forum who'd be happier if Bayern were shit but unfortunately they're the exact opposite.

What people actually don't get is that a player performance depends highly on how well he fits into the team he joins and how well that team works as a unit. Literally no player is above that, not even Cristiano and Messi in their respective primes. That's the reason why players that are proven world class suddenly completely underperform at new clubs, like e. g. Coutinho - who was Liverpool's best player when he joined Barca and couldn't even get into Bayern squad's shortly after that. Or why somebody like Son who Bayern wouldn't even have considered signing based on his Bundesliga performances became on of the best players in the EPL.

Things aren't always black and white.

 

[GifLord]

May be we should have just spend the money on Grealish. Feels like Grealish style is more suitable for us than Sancho. Ironically, I think Sancho style is more suitable for Pep than Grealish’s

Haaland and went for a decent CM instead of re-signing Ronaldo

 

[Anustart89]

I don’t know if I’m blind or if I’m looking through rose-tinted glasses or something, but in that video that giflord posted, it’s pretty obvious that he’s not too slow to play counter-attacking football. He starts five yards behind the defender and ends up two or three yards in front of him before he has to go wide since the pass is slightly overhit. If that is because of his pace or the speed with which he notices that the counter is in doesn’t really matter, but he makes up about 8-10 yards on the defender in a footrace over 60-70 yards, which isn’t bad. I’m not saying it was a shit pass because it’s a hard one to make as a left footer from that position, but if it had been made by a right footer with the swerve taking it towards the middle of the pitch it’s pretty obvious that he would’ve got there before the defender and had a 1v1 against the goalkeeper.

 

[Big Poppa]

Bayern will get stuffed when they come up against Liverpool,City or Chelsea this season. That covid CL win really papered over a lot of the cracks in their team.

Dortmund couldn't even get past Ajax.

Jeez Loueeze

 

[Siezard]

Did everyone forget how Sancho destroyed Villarreal?

And how he scored against Chelsea and demolished Burnley?

 

[Name Changed]

Sancho is a class player when playing in a certain style and system. He would be fantastic for certain managers, Klopp for example. He has proven it. Scapegoating him for not being able to play in a Solskjaer team with zero tactics or a 4-2-2-2 formation that on paper looks like the worst possible way to get the best out of him, is crazy, in my opinion.

 

[VanDeBank]

That wasn't the point at all. You stated that poor Cavani and Ronaldo had no serve. That is patently untrue. They got a lot of assists from both Shaw and AWB and others. Lots of real opportunities that they completely wasted, where strikers of their experience and skill should have scored 100%. At least one each, which would have been 3 points us, everything else the same.

Sancho didn't attack well yesterday. He should absolutely have done way better but he was still head and shoulders better than Rashford and at least Sancho really helped in defense, which Rashford didnt even do that.

So the point is, you are cutting slack to Ronaldo and Cavani both of whom were dreadful and singling out Sancho who at least was better than the guy he was replaced with.

The bloke that hasn't put in a single good cross this entire season?

 

[Anustart89]

The bloke that hasn't put in a single good cross this entire season?

Someone kept blaming Ronaldo in the match day thread for not jumping high enough and being lazy

 

[RUCK4444]

The bloke that hasn't put in a single good cross this entire season?

He put two half decent crosses in last game, two more than Dalot has in his games previous.

 

[Stacks]

For some he may be one of their biggest disappointments. For me I always thought he was 50/50 as I hadn't actually been convinced by this performances to warrant genuine excitement. admittedly I don't study the Bundesliga so it was mainly England and CL but I never came away thinking "this is the new CR7 or we have out wings sorted" as I knew he could easily struggle. Many here are convinced he will become his Dortmund self but I still think it could go either way and is far from assured of being anything big for us. Once Mason started playing well I agreed with @Rozay assessment that the RWF position became less important, and we should prioritise a CF or midfielder but Jadon became the latest edition of the muppet tunnel vision and we convinced ourselves that we HAD to sign him. Truth be told I doubt even the United transfer team had any clear idea on how best to use him.

 

[Stacks]

How is that overpaid? The only Bundesliga player who was clearly better than him was Lewandowski. He's outshone proven world class attackers like Gnabry, Coman, Reus and so forth and was at least toe to toe with Müller and Haaland. It was the wrong career choice to join United at this stage quite obviously but overpaid? Nah. I'm sure the club is as much of a let down to him as he is to you.

It's actually mind blowing that player, club and fans are so disappointed because all of this was so foreseeable. Stylewise Sancho was always going to be a terrible fit for this squad.

none of those players are world class. Please don't forget Miki, Kagawa and Pulisic as the latest Dortmund flops to try their hand in the superior premier league. We now have Havertzs and Werner is new reference points and to me none are looking like "great" players in the league, and we could find better domestically.

 

[VanDeBank]

He put two half decent crosses in last game, two more than Dalot has in his games previous.

He's started more games than Dalot this season. So where's the assist on one of Ronnie's goals?

Shaw has one. Dalot has one. Where's AWB's?

 

[KingCavani]

How is that overpaid? The only Bundesliga player who was clearly better than him was Lewandowski. He's outshone proven world class attackers like Gnabry, Coman, Reus and so forth and was at least toe to toe with Müller and Haaland. It was the wrong career choice to join United at this stage quite obviously but overpaid? Nah. I'm sure the club is as much of a let down to him as he is to you.

It's actually mind blowing that player, club and fans are so disappointed because all of this was so foreseeable. Stylewise Sancho was always going to be a terrible fit for this squad.

Players so heavily dependent on a system to perform aren't worth 350k a week.

He's not the first Dortmund player to look lost outside of their club, not even the first United have signed. Mkhitaryan was literally the best player in the league the season before we signed him. They've played a very attacker friendly style since the days of Klopp and manage to create space and overload defences in ways most PL teams simply can't. There's a lot of other clubs and leagues that have similar issues of players adapting outside the system.

Sancho's England form was much closer to his at United than it was at Dortmund. There's a lot of red flags.

 

[Anustart89]

Players so heavily dependent on a system to perform aren't worth 350k a week.

He's not the first Dortmund player to look lost outside of their club, not even the first United have signed. Mkhitaryan was literally the best player in the league the season before we signed him. They've played a very attacker friendly style since the days of Klopp and manage to create space and overload defences in ways most PL teams simply can't. There's a lot of other clubs and leagues that have similar issues of players adapting outside the system.

Sancho's England form was much closer to his at United than it was at Dortmund. There's a lot of red flags.

I agree with what you’ve said, because if you would’ve looked at any footage of Sancho you’d see that he’s relying on interchanging with either a player making an overlapping run on the outside or a run coming on the inside from midfield. Now, what people should’ve been doing is asked themselves “do our players move off the ball?”, and when the answer turned out to be no then the answer should’ve obviously been to make them move their lazy arses rather than saying “oh, we can’t sign any players then whose play style relies on using their teammates”. However, what’s become obvious now that Rangnick’s come in and demanded stuff from the squad and then not liking it at all is that the previous regime seemed more preoccupied with being friends with the entire squad rather than making them a better football team.

We’ve already seen glimpses this season of how he’s got the timing and ability to play his teammates into promising positions if the runs are made so that he a) finds someone and b) has defenders drawn away so he can’t get doubled up on. He’s played Fred in twice inside the box when he’s made forward runs, once which led to an assist and once that led to him winning a penalty, but you’re not going to see any of those passes in his stats.

 

[RUCK4444]

He's started more games than Dalot this season. So where's the assist on one of Ronnie's goals?

Shaw has one. Dalot has one. Where's AWB's?

Ah I see, the single Ronaldo assist is the barometer. Sell him.

 

[RedRonaldo]

He has been easily the biggest flop in Europe this season. Given that he is still young and learning, and obviously talented under certain setup, do you think he has any chance to turn it around, here in Man Utd?

 

[roonster09]

He has been easily the biggest flop in Europe this season. Given that he is still young and learning, and obviously talented under certain setup, do you think he has any chance to turn it around, here in Man Utd?

Would be very surprising if he doesn't turn it around.

 

[troylocker]

none of those players are world class. Please don't forget Miki, Kagawa and Pulisic as the latest Dortmund flops to try their hand in the superior premier league. We now have Havertzs and Werner is new reference points and to me none are looking like "great" players in the league, and we could find better domestically.

This is so lazy! We can agree that the mentioned players has been either underwhelming, didn't get time to gel in or still has time to become good in the PL.
All the mentioned players were older and/or less impressive in Germany.....and of course there is sunshine stories as well (like KDB, Auba)

Sanco came her at 21 with a record from Germany of 50 goals and 64 assists in 135 games (9881 minutes) A goal or assist every 87 minutes since he was 17 years old.

Miki came to the PL at 27 with a record from Germany of 41 goals and 49 assists in 140 games (11124 minutes). A goal or assist every 124 minutes.
Kagawa came to the PL at 23 with a record from Germany of 29 goals and 16 assists in 71 games (5353 minutes). A goal or assist every 119 minutes.
Pulisic came to the PL at 21 with a record from Germany of 19 goals and 26 assists in 127 games (7495 minutes). A goal or assist every 167 minutes and has improved those numbers for Chelsea (20 goals and 16 assists in 5730 minutes - A goal or assist every 159 minutes for Chelsea.)
Havertz came to the PL at 21 with a record from Germany of 46 goals and 31 assists in 150 games (11304 minutes). A goal or assist every 147 minutes and has similar numbers for Chelsea (14 goals and 12 assists in 3951 minutes - A goal or assist every 159 minutes for Chelsea.)
Werner came to the PL at 24 with a record from Germany of 109 goals and 51 assists in 262 games (18288 minutes). A goal or assist every 114 minutes. (he had 1 realy good season for Leipzig and a couple of decent ones in his 7 seasons in Germany) And has been an underwhelming finisher most of all for Chelsea, with a goal or assist every 139 minutes we were all expecting more. The Chelsea examples all have a CL title which they all chipped in for, so it's hard to argue they have been total flops.

Grealish has a record of 32 goals and 46 assists in 213 games (15333 minutes) for Villa. A goal or assist every 197 minutes and went to City at 26 for north of 100M £ and has scored 3 and assisted 3 for them in 1496 minutes (A goal or assist every 249 minutes). Just saying....

It's way to early to write off young Mr. Sancho. His potential is enormous.

 

[SteveTheRed]

Very disappointing. He doesn't seem to have any physicality to his play - not strong, not fast, not tenacious. I've barely seen him make a sprint. He's not making great passes to make up for it, or great shots/assists.

 

[Red the Bear]

Ironically I feel he would have fit city much better , and grealish the reverse .(not that I want him here)

 

[Ixion]

We had to wait a few seasons to see the best in Rooney, Ronaldo, and I imagine it will be similar with Sancho (obviously he won't hit their levels though). He needs time to adjust to the PL and his workshy teammates.

 

[VinzentFTW]

He has been easily the biggest flop in Europe this season. Given that he is still young and learning, and obviously talented under certain setup, do you think he has any chance to turn it around, here in Man Utd?

All our big money signing has been flops. Big money signings in general tend to be flops though.

 

[Righteous Steps]

We had to wait a few seasons to see the best in Rooney, Ronaldo, and I imagine it will be similar with Sancho (obviously he won't hit their levels though). He needs time to adjust to the PL and his workshy teammates.

Yes he needs a progressive manager, the he will be good.

 

[Zehner]

Sancho doesn't look lost, he's actually doing quite a decent job considering how disjointed your whole team looks. Thing is that most of the people criticizing him here have nonclue what to look at if an attacker isn't lightning fast, powerful or takes lots of long shots.

Every player is dependent on the system by the way.

Reading EPL fans talk about their league you could think the balls in England have a different shape or something like that. The EPL is the best league in the world but not even close to being as special as you guys seem to think. Sancho looked better in the Bundesliga than 90% of the star players of a team that's every bit as strong as City and Liverpool. Why is he suddenly anonymous playing for United? Why is every player suddenly much worse playing for United?

It was simply an awful, awful career choice. If I was Sancho I'd sack my agent immediately.