Interesting, where did you find this mate?
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Jadon Sancho | £72.9M fee agreed
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People keep saying he's a journalist when he really isn't. He's just a former footballer who's a pundit on ESPN and has connections to German and Norwegian sources.
If the they are asking above £80m adds on or not. Just move on, sign a deep playmaker instead and play Pogba on the left and Greenwood on the right.
'Sancho is the next Juan Mata'
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Isn't he just straight up faster / stronger? I don't recall Mata ever being particularly quick.
I remember Mata actually being just as sprightly over the first few yards as Sancho is now. Old Mata and current one are almost completely different players.
Sancho is quicker and more mobile, that's for sure. But stylistically there's a similarity because both players cut in field when deployed in a wide forward role. So both players end up occupying the half space in central areas.
They literally devalidated their claim by using that comparison. Sancho doesn't look like he's pulling a sled in the Iditarod when he runs around the pitch.
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It’s not any surprises that Sancho is identical to Mata’s playing style. Sancho is not like Hazard or Nani type of winger, his main asset is actually his playmaking ability, in fact his passing is one of his strength. This is what makes Sancho suits to our playing style since we had a discussion before that we looked really good when we played Mata and Bruno together. Mata’s leg has gone to make him playing well on consistent basis.
We also gave Pogba the same role which a wide playmaker, and we know how good we were when we had that wide playmaker next to Bruno. This is probably why Ole wants Sancho or even Grealish last year and I can see how he will suit our current system.
We also gave Pogba the same role which a wide playmaker, and we know how good we were when we had that wide playmaker next to Bruno. This is probably why Ole wants Sancho or even Grealish last year and I can see how he will suit our current system.
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Mata's issue at United was his pace or lack of it. So no problem here.
I thought that was pretty clear from how he plays a Mata 0.2.
Early Mata was dynamic in fairness
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Can anyone see this getting done today or tomorrow? Last few days have been extremely quiet, we’ve already said we’re willing to pay 80 and Dortmund will accept around 80 so what’s the hold up? Are we waiting until they put his price tag up or something! Why are we not trying to get a cb or dm while still negotiating for sancho
Has anyone considered that the article saying he's 99.9% Mata is just a made up story?
No source was given with it.
No source was given with it.
What the feck are you on about? I've not said a word about "before or after the euros". I'm making a perfectly simple and straightforward point: Get it done in time for Sancho to take part in pre-season with United as early as he can.
I hope we get him but I'm not optimistic. I don't think we will agree to Dortmund's valuation, and if it's much over £80m it's probably best if we walk away, but we need to be working on other targets now if that's the case.
An exact copy of Mata eh? Honestly don´t see it but if true, that´s a cold shower.
Genuine question - what suggests he would do any better here than Mkhitaryan did? Perhaps people who have watched him more often can answer. Pretty much his entire professional career has been in Germany where countless players put up good numbers then struggle elsewhere. I know he is British and all but I am not convinced he will come here and thrive to be honest.
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You've just made the 99.9% bit up. At 99.8% I believed it.
He's a product of British football. He's been built with the PL in mind since he was a child. There's really no reason why he won't thrive here, if players like Rashford and Foden can, why couldn't Sancho? He's been highly rated since he was about 16, viewed as the next best thing by plenty, his rise is not a surprise, it was going to be a bigger surprise if he'd not made it. This place has a real paranoia about players coming from Dortmund.
To be honest its more like this place has a real paranoia about every player coming here
I dont think he would compare with Mikhi or even Kagawa, they were more CAM type players. Sancho is alot more British in his approach to the game. By that, I mean he is fast, skillfull and direct, similar to Sterling, Rashford, Grealish etc who all thrive in England.
Also, his entire career ? he is only 21 so he is still very young, he grew up watching English football, was taught in an English academy so I do not think the comparisons are valid.
Mkhi's talent was never in doubt, he was mentally fragile and had a destructive manager that ruined his confidence.
Imagine going from Klopp to Mourinho? anyway, they're different players. Would you be concerned about Haaland also?
I don't think its made up, however its yet another algo/stat thing that shouldn't be given too much importance to.
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Foden is too high. Nobody values him higher than HaalandI don't think its made up, however its yet another algo/stat thing that shouldn't be given too much importance to.
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Yup, exactly!
I don't think it's the wost comparison in the world. Young Mata used to be fairly nippy but didn't have a great top speed. Sancho is probably a little more explosive, but I can see the playing style being similar.
I think your perception is a bit coined by the players United signed from Bundesliga. Personally, I believe United is the English club with the biggest difference in how they approach the coaching part in comparison to most Bundesliga teams. It is difficult for players who are used to a much more organized team structure to shine in the same way when they're suddenly not playing in a very well organized team with clear patterns of play and automatisms anymore. Sancho will be no different. Qualitywise he's on a another level to probably every player bar maybe de Bruyne that moved from the Bundesliga to the EPL but it still will be an issue.
So you have been part of the coaching staff with Dortmund? Or with LVG and Jose?
I have actually seen that Jose and LVG were very organised with their team structure. What structure did Julian Favre have?
It took Mkhitaryan two years to hit his stride in Dortmund under a very nurturing coach in Klopp. Only in his third year was he able to consistently produce and had his standout season that prompted United to sign him. So the warning signs were there and it was by no means a surprise that he did not prosper right from the start and under Mourinho no less. You basically got one and a half of his mediocre years out of him without giving him the chance for the third one that he had in Dortmund.
This was also why people in Dortmund were pissed about him leaving. For one thing he seems to have broken agreements that were in place, for the other they had invested a lot of time into accommodating him and as soon as he started paying it back with performances he left. Personally I am just really sad that he threw away his best years like that because I think he was actually a phenomenal footballer, just needed the right circumstances to shine.
Now Sancho is a totally different player altogether, he has basically started producing in Dortmund from the start, in his first professional years at that. I don't see any indicators that he would be unable to replicate his performances. Of course like every player he will need some time to settle into a new team (just like players like Havertz and Werner have to, it is laughable that some already cite them as "failed Bundesliga players" after one full season) and he will have to be utilized to suit his strengths. So if you give him the time to adapt and don't for some reason play him out of position (that seems to be what broke Kagawa, combined with patchy playing times), I think it is very likely he will be phantastic for you.
I see you're a real expert on the topic. Anyway, if your best arguments are two coaches who are relics of the past this tells more about your point than about mine.
Difference is Foden is playing for his boyhood club who don't want to sell and where he wouldn't want to leave. On that basis I think him being top is fair. Everyone knows they have a chance of getting Haaland. No one would think they could get Foden.
Same applies to Greenwood.
Not to forget that most Bundesliga-teams looks very naive in how they defend. It must be much, much easier to be an attacker in the BL (and that is probably why quite a few players from the BL fail to produce the same number when leaving). With the amount of space attackers get in the BL, Lingard would look like a world beater.
I mean, it is not just the two signings Man Utd made (who did not look very good when they moved on either). It is Dembele, Havertz, Aubameyang, Keita, Pulisic, Werner, Jovic, Haller and even Draxler. Alot of great talents who did well elsewhere, but their numbers dropped compared to BL. Some of them significantly. Maybe its the coaching in the BL? (The lack of defensive coaching, I mean.)
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Your tone can get rather condescending. Claiming that United have a "difference in how they approach the coaching" compared to other clubs is pretty bold and I don't think that claim would really stand. You could maybe argue about Ole, but generalizing your point to a whole club is just asking for justified backlash.
It does of course not help if people don't know Lucien Favre's name
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