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I reckon we get full confirmation from the club on Wednesday.
85 million euro's? Think that's a very fair deal. It is very hard to not get excited as a Mancunian with the squad that we're looking to have at the start of the season. No matter your stance on Ole,
If Sancho's the left winger you keep saying he is this shouldn't be an issueDo you think we’d have signed Amad too if we got the Sancho deal done last summer?
Can never say for sure, but I doubt we’d have committed to the Amad deal if we got Sancho. When signing two players in the same position who are 18 months apart for money that matters - I don’t think where they are at that present day matters much. The idea is, surely, that you want one to fill a position long term. And common sense says that they can’t both fill it. Sancho being further ahead doesn’t really matter right now. People keep talking about ‘sorted for 10 years’ - and from that perspective, where both players are in their first year or 18 months isn’t that important to me. If ‘right now’ was so important, then I’d go and get a 28 year old.
About tree fiddy.What’s that in pounds?
yes PennaAbout tree fiddy.
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Well done, good job.Be it today, tomorrow or Wednesday
I'd love to see Sancho in a red shirt soon so we can move on to the next target
Greedy feckers Woodward/Glazers will probably want the new kit announced though before announcing Sancho, keeping us all waiting
Didn't like it when we held off on announcing Pogba for maximum social media exposure
Alexis's unveiling was bollocks too
You'd ideally like to see some sort of confirmation from the club so fans can breathe out
Thinking Murtough/Fletcher will want this done quickly to show their ability to pull off a deal
Once Sancho's done I'd like to see us go all out for Varane
Did all the Pau Torres links die down?
Are we really in for Camavinga?
Young players in all positions to build for the future?
I think it was mentioned the breakthrough was we were willing to give more up front but less in total at some point in this negotiation. Sure someone reliable said that back when I was beardless when it was first reported to be close.85 million Euros as the total fee is insane given what Dortmund wanted at the start of this summer (100 million Euros + bonuses). What about the reports of offers for more money? Maybe the structure of the 85-million-Euro deal favoured Dortmund more than our bigger offers.
Yup, our signings and squad health have gotten a lot better the past few years. I'm still Ole-in for now but managers can be changed fairly easily while moving players on is extremely hard. Chelsea have done this well forever (without a formal DoF I might add) and we seem to have found a decent formula as well.
Some question marks around our backup #10 (VdB) and backup LB but that's a far cry from Lingard / Pereira at #10 and Ashley Young / Valencia as our starting fullbacks. Let's not even talk about Mkhi, Fellaini etc. Just thinking about the squad under Jose gives me the shudders:
------------------------- DDG --------------------------------
-- Valencia -- Smalling -- Blind -- Darmian --
----------------- Herrera --- Fellaini --------------------
-------- Mata -------- Pogba ------- Rashford ------
----------------------------- Ibra ------------------------------
vs
------------------------ DDG ---------------------------------
--- AwB --- Varane (?) -- Maguire -- Shaw ---
---------------- Pogba --- Fred --------------------------
---- Rashford --- Bruno ------- Sancho ----------
-------------------- Cavani ---------------------------------
As you were
It's hardly a fantastic fee!
People continually point to the saving on last summer, but this is natural depreciation over the course of a contract for the player and perhaps some element of covid kicking in meaning all clubs have felt the strain. Nothing to do with skilled negotiation or a bargain being had, more a converging of factors - some of which are a function of circumstances.
It just looks like a common sense fee, probably somewhat meeting in the middle of what we wanted to pay this summer and what Dortmund wanted last year. It's okay given the players quality, age and potential but let's not exaggerate how good that price is. He still has to come and perform and then the fee takes on a whole new dimension depending on the outcome.
What? At the start of the summer it was reported they wanted us to pay what we offered last year. If the fee is true, we have negotiated them down massively. I'm also not sure what rate you think a players price should depreciate at, but seems like a frightening rate. I'd like to buy a car off you.It's hardly a fantastic fee if true!
People continually point to the saving on last summer, but this is natural depreciation over the course of a contract for the player and perhaps some element of covid kicking in meaning all clubs have felt the strain. Nothing to do with skilled negotiation or a bargain being had, more a converging of factors - some of which are a function of circumstances.
It just looks like a common sense fee, probably somewhat meeting in the middle of what we wanted to pay this summer and what Dortmund wanted last year. It's okay given the players quality, age and potential but let's not exaggerate how good that price is. He still has to come and perform and then the fee takes on a whole new dimension depending on the outcome.
Talk about finding an alternative reality. If you read this thread to last summer and through the year this was the summer Liverpool, City and maybe Real Madrid was gonna bid for him. We should have payed the 120 million last summer as the price and competition would be a lot more intense this summer.
The club made a great call last summer and are reaping the benefits now. Credit where credit is due.
HehIs €85m the same as “€95m and not a penny less”?
The natural progression from Dortmund was 120 million Euros + bonuses to 100 million + bonuses. For Dortmund, the latter figure was the "meeting in the middle". We negotiated that down to 85 million Euros in total (bonuses included, so we don't even know what the guaranteed fee is), which is very good negotiations against a club that's in the CL.It's hardly a fantastic fee if true!
People continually point to the saving on last summer, but this is natural depreciation over the course of a contract for the player and perhaps some element of covid kicking in meaning all clubs have felt the strain. Nothing to do with skilled negotiation or a bargain being had, more a converging of factors - some of which are a function of circumstances.
It just looks like a common sense fee, probably somewhat meeting in the middle of what we wanted to pay this summer and what Dortmund wanted last year. It's okay given the players quality, age and potential but let's not exaggerate how good that price is. He still has to come and perform and then the fee takes on a whole new dimension depending on the outcome.
Yeah, that's exactly it. I don't remember who mentioned that, either. I'll have to look that up later.I think it was mentioned the breakthrough was we were willing to give more up front but less in total at some point in this negotiation. Sure someone reliable said that back when I was beardless when it was first reported to be close.
"but he only recycles news"
That bought Arsenal a Pepe£73m
85 million Euros as the total fee is insane given what Dortmund wanted at the start of this summer (100 million Euros + bonuses). What about the reports of offers for more money? Maybe the structure of the 85-million-Euro deal favoured Dortmund more than our bigger offers.
Considering that Sancho was the difference in them making CL football or not with the end of season run in, id say that's an easy yes for them.Dortmund needs to ask -- was he worth the €35m for keeping him an extra year?
If Sancho's the left winger you keep saying he is this shouldn't be an issue
85 million Euros as the total fee is insane given what Dortmund wanted at the start of this summer (100 million Euros + bonuses). What about the reports of offers for more money? Maybe the structure of the 85-million-Euro deal favoured Dortmund more than our bigger offers.
Dortmund needs to ask -- was he worth the €35m for keeping him an extra year?
35+, to be fair, but yeah, given that he was key to them qualifying for the CL again, I'd say that they'd be happy about keeping him last season.Dortmund needs to ask -- was he worth the €35m for keeping him an extra year?
It's not about believing in this regard. It's pointing out that people claiming he recycles news are just lazy generalisations.You’re literally just choosing to believe him over a different outlet? It doesn’t mean he’s right and they’re wrong
He does recycle news. He never mentioned camavinga until somebody else did, then he ‘confirms’ their news
Booooooo.....It's hardly a fantastic fee if true!
People continually point to the saving on last summer, but this is natural depreciation over the course of a contract for the player and perhaps some element of covid kicking in meaning all clubs have felt the strain. Nothing to do with skilled negotiation or a bargain being had, more a converging of factors - some of which are a function of circumstances.
It just looks like a common sense fee, probably somewhat meeting in the middle of what we wanted to pay this summer and what Dortmund wanted last year. It's okay given the players quality, age and potential but let's not exaggerate how good that price is. He still has to come and perform and then the fee takes on a whole new dimension depending on the outcome.