Dortmund would be quite happy to keep Sancho. If they don't sell him they will not be able to do much (more) on the market this summer, but they would also keep their best player of the last years in the squad, which would be absolutely worth it.
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Of course they will be happy to keep him. He is price won't decrease much really and he was the reason they made top 4 this year
I don’t think Sancho will be happy to stay for another year. He gave his word that he had that gentleman’s agreement so maybe he would be upset with United if they don’t pay the asking price but equally he’s not going to have his head in the best place for another year.
There’s also the financial aspect. You’re not going to convince me that Dortmund want to go two summers without any significant sales.
On the one hand yes, on the other hand Dortmund are a selling club whether they want to admit it or not and their business revolves around getting young players who can be sold for many times what they paid. This model works well because they have good scouts but if they get a dud then it could cause them problems. They barely made top 4 and not being the Champions League would have a major impact on them.
Maybe they'll be satisfied when Bayern pick up Sancho on the cheap.
Absolutely, the big question would be how Sancho deals with the situation. But after a shaky start to the season he seems to have improved his professionalism a bit, so I think Dortmund might be quite confident in him to be able to perform if this fails (again). Considering how he got rid of his disciplinary issues over the last year they might be even more confident in him in this regard than they were last summer.
Financially I do believe that they would have liked to make significant sales that are good value in regard to their squad building. Dortmund have the expectation to be the second best squad in Germany and to be able to challenge for titles if all goes well (while Bayern do challenge for titles no matter how bad their season might be). Selling your best players therefore must happen at a price that they are confident that they can at least keep their overall squad quality by signing new players from that money. Losing Sancho for €70m probably would just not be enough money to make this possible, selling him for €95m might enable them to do this.
So I hope I can convince you that their priority is: Sell Sancho for a lot of money > Keep Sancho > Sell Sancho for "cheap"
this is too cuteIn addition to building quite a reputation in the market to set precedents for Haaland and Bellingtan
Ed Woodward -"HI Jadon. it's Ed.. It's time to put plan B into action"
Jadon Sancho - "Oh hi Ed..Plan B" ?
Ed Woodward - "Yeah Plan B.. the one where you have to put in a transfer request.. Maybe i forgot to tell you about it.. Err sorry Jadon"
Jadon Sancho - "Uhh..err"
Ed Woodward - "Jadon... Jadon... Jadon... JADON..are you there" ?
Jadon Sancho - "Oh hi Ed..Plan B" ?
Ed Woodward - "Yeah Plan B.. the one where you have to put in a transfer request.. Maybe i forgot to tell you about it.. Err sorry Jadon"
Jadon Sancho - "Uhh..err"
Ed Woodward - "Jadon... Jadon... Jadon... JADON..are you there" ?
Off course, this thread is a grave of muppets
I'll believe only when he signs on the dotted line.
Just remember, Dortmund managed to get €135m for the childish brat Dembele. Anyone who is surprised at how Dortmund are (not) negotiating the Sancho deal should have a look at how they fleeced Barca.
It's not really a matter of admitting they're a selling a club, because that's obviously not the end goal but a means to an end. Buying young players and potentially selling for them for large profits once they've somewhat outgrown the club is their way of climbing the football ladder. For the moment they still to have to accept the reality that some players will want to move on to richer clubs but ideally they want to hold on those players one day.
Under normal circumstances they probably would have already lost Sancho. But if these circumstances allow them to hold on to their best player a little longer then that is a positive thing. Holding on to players like that for longer than planned kind of puts them ahead of schedule if you like, and I think it gives them more legitimacy as a club aiming to improve and challenge. Obviously missing out on Champions League would be a big set back, but that's even more reason to view keeping Sancho as a positive. If need be they can move on underperforming players, and either way they can count on a guaranteed sum for Haaland the next year.
Dortmund is in no rush to sell.
Next year, this year, last year contract they'll bound to get at least 60M. They have faith in Sancho commanding that value. They have a gem at their hands, if it's not United there will be buyers next year.
So it's not in their advantage to hurry selling to us. Unless we made an offer they can't refuse.
Why sell now? when they can enjoy him for another season and command roughly the same fee next year
"Subject to Rule T.7, a contract player, either by himself or by any person on his behalf, shall not either directly or indirectly make any such approach as is referred to in Rule T.5 without having obtained the prior written consent of his club."
How do you know United didn't get this consent?
You wouldn't talk about contract if the price isn't even met.
They're real football club, not United. You think they'd be dumb or silly enough to let us talk and agree on "wages and bonuses" while nothing is even agreed on price?
sure. if that makes us feel better sleeping.
Bloody hell, what a strange hill to die on. Someone doesn’t deserve to enjoy Sancho when he joins.They won't get roughly the same fee, they will have to hope that a bidding war will drive the price up but then clubs will go so far if they know in 6 months they can just agree a pre-contract.
Because on Football Manager you have to agree the transfer fee with the club before they give you the consent to speak to the player about his personal terms.
Are bidding wars still a thing?
omg I thought you moved away from this disaster of a tangent.
So he's 99.99 % ours?
Good news. I do expect it to happen but for me we mustn’t expect Dortmund to budge on their demands. So we decide if we are happy and if not move on.
What are you on about.
when did I say anything of the sort? Have you quantum leaped here from 2002?For the last time, agreeing terms with a player IS NOT predicated in agreeing a transfer fee.
Do you understand this? You can legally agree terms without agreeing a fee, as long as the club has given the green light, where Dortmund obviously will have given it (and no this won’t be or need to have been communicated with the public).
If there was no Buyout clause next year he would be worth 130-150M both this and next year.
But he has a buyout next year, which lowers his price this year.
His contract is until at least 2024 though (and maybe option for another year?)
Jadon is until 2023.
Fleecing Barca seems to be an easy business
Don't throw stones in glass houses
Still not quite a bad as those loons: Dembele, Coutinho, practically bankrupting the club to pay Messi insane money.
Anyone else thinking that Woodward could bow out with a spectacular f*ck up here..?
United take 2 years on this deal and Chelsea swoop in and get the deal done in a week...
United take 2 years on this deal and Chelsea swoop in and get the deal done in a week...
They are on 'a place in the sun'
No problem here for Dortmund. They said upfront what they wanted, so from their point of view it is "agreed" and anyone might talk to Sancho about personal terms
Seriously? Nothing new today?
While Dortmund may be happy to eventually get to keep one of their best players even for another year, if there was a gentleman's agreement of whatever kind and after last year's drawn out saga, then Sancho not only misses out on being back home for another year but, that is also another year of a significant wage package he misses out on. Even though they get insane amount of money already, that's a significant chunk to miss out on considering they have a limited window to make that kind of money.
As for United, it makes sense to negotiate in today's financial climate but, sincerely hope we don't let this go on for more than a couple more weeks. While am sure we aren't completely tied to this deal on what else we do , am sure getting Sancho and the amount we pay would affect other decisions. Example we don't get Sancho and we might be less inclined to say sell James even if a bid came in or say Martial/Lingard. We need attacking options or we end up with playing the same players into the ground. The amount we pay for transfer fee also then has an effect on how much we have left to offer on other transfers deals as well as improved contract offers for the likes of Pogba.
That and history has shown, doing the last minute deals really kills getting a good start to the season. Having at least the core of the squad ready for start of season and better yet can only be beneficial to truly challenge for the title.
As for United, it makes sense to negotiate in today's financial climate but, sincerely hope we don't let this go on for more than a couple more weeks. While am sure we aren't completely tied to this deal on what else we do , am sure getting Sancho and the amount we pay would affect other decisions. Example we don't get Sancho and we might be less inclined to say sell James even if a bid came in or say Martial/Lingard. We need attacking options or we end up with playing the same players into the ground. The amount we pay for transfer fee also then has an effect on how much we have left to offer on other transfers deals as well as improved contract offers for the likes of Pogba.
That and history has shown, doing the last minute deals really kills getting a good start to the season. Having at least the core of the squad ready for start of season and better yet can only be beneficial to truly challenge for the title.
I mean!
I feel like he’s talking to us.What are you on about.
For the last time, agreeing terms with a player IS NOT predicated in agreeing a transfer fee.
Do you understand this? You can legally agree terms without agreeing a fee, as long as the club has given the green light, where Dortmund obviously will have given it (and no this won’t be or need to have been communicated with the public).
In addition, clubs routinely informally agree broad terms with player's agents even if the other club doesn't give a green light. This rule is one of the key reasons for proliferation of agents IMO. Since players can't legally talk to other clubs without their current club's knowledge, they had to start hiring intermediaries. Talk about unintended consequences etc.
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