What do you mean by that? Selling one supremely talented youngster in order to strengthen the team in two or three positions? Why can't they afford that? (Presuming they get the same amount as they got for Rooney)
Jack Rodwell | Sold to City
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Indeed, we did the same with Ronaldo.
Good player is Rodwell. Someone SAF will likely be keeping tabs on given Ferdinand's back problems. Don't be surprised if we're in for this boy in a couple of years for £20 odd million.
Yeah, but it's even more important to do so in Everton's case as they don't have a chance of holding on to all their really talented youngsters as they aren't good enough, so in order to close in on the top 4 (and eventually being able to hold on to and acquire world class talents) they have to get a good team as a whole instead of developing one super talent every six or seven years..
Doubt all you want. Frankly I could care less less. I have nada to prove to you. He has appeared 21 times for Everton's first team in all competitions to date. He has also played reserve and youth games too. If you haven't had opportunity to watch him more than 5 times, that's your own problem alone. Not mine.That's probably as much as can be said as far as a transfer fee, Everton rate him very, very highly.
Everyone can see that English players of high quality like Rooney, Ferdinand, Gerrard, Lampard and Terry become the backbone of their teams, and their most valuable players.
If Rodwell is identified as that quality of player, and he looks like he could be, then he will go for very big money.
Why do people get after others lives if they claim to have seen enough of a player so as to judge his potential? It's as if makes them insecure about their own football knowledge. 'I watch more football than you, i'm better than you'. It's all quite amusing.
As for Rodwell, seen very little of him and whenever i am he comes across as an extremely composed and confident footballer, not that i can draw much of a judgement on the basis of that at all.
As for Rodwell, seen very little of him and whenever i am he comes across as an extremely composed and confident footballer, not that i can draw much of a judgement on the basis of that at all.
And you've watched him in them?
You have an odd sense of humour.
While you have a penchant for odd questions
sign him up and loan him out!
Well I struggle to see why you'd mention reserve matches and youth team games if you'd not seen them, and I struggle to see why you'd watch Everton reserve or youth league games.
I've not seen much of him, what kind of player is he?
Just to play Devil's advocate...
what if I was a genius at spotting a future world class player with only a couple of viewings whereas some other internet gimp was a shit judge of player but had watched the same player 50 times.
which one of us would be best at determining the suitabilty of that player to be signed by a bigger club?
My point being that the number of times you see a player may not actually be the best measure of whether they are going to make it.
How many times did our scouts watch Ole play I wonder?
what if I was a genius at spotting a future world class player with only a couple of viewings whereas some other internet gimp was a shit judge of player but had watched the same player 50 times.
which one of us would be best at determining the suitabilty of that player to be signed by a bigger club?
My point being that the number of times you see a player may not actually be the best measure of whether they are going to make it.
How many times did our scouts watch Ole play I wonder?
The second one, seeing as he's bound to have seen the player go through a dip in form, whereas that other one won't.
And I dunno about Ole, but there was someone at Arsenal who said when they scout players they watch them at least 30(?) times before deciding.
I doubt they even watched him play... youtube wasn't around back then...
Yes but on the other hand anyone could claim to be an expert 'scout' and attempt to claim the credit for 'spotting' lots of talent, without anything more than Football Manager at their fingertips. It's a well-researched game.
And a lot of people basically do this. They might have watched a game or two, maybe read some other stuff, watched a couple of YouTube clips - this then translates into 'sign him up'. The player could be great of course, but it's annoying as you can't see the wood for the trees. There are posters who really have seen players properly more than others have had the opportunity to, but a lot of the time it's hard to work out who has and who's either outright bullshitting or at least exaggerating their knowledge.
I'm sure there are posters who have seen Rodwell in about 5 games or so. Any more than that and I would suspect BS since he's only played more than 60 minutes for the senior team about 10 times, and I doubt there's anyone who has watched all of those. 5 games is enough to get some idea, of course. Youth and reserve games don't give much of a guide at all, and of course it's unlikely anyone will have sat through more than 1 or 2 at most.
Can anyone really claim to have watched the likes of Douglas Costa enough to give a proper assessment though? I'm strongly suspecting 'no', especially since youth football isn't a very useful barometer of a player's potential when you're talking about the very top players.
And a lot of people basically do this. They might have watched a game or two, maybe read some other stuff, watched a couple of YouTube clips - this then translates into 'sign him up'. The player could be great of course, but it's annoying as you can't see the wood for the trees. There are posters who really have seen players properly more than others have had the opportunity to, but a lot of the time it's hard to work out who has and who's either outright bullshitting or at least exaggerating their knowledge.
I'm sure there are posters who have seen Rodwell in about 5 games or so. Any more than that and I would suspect BS since he's only played more than 60 minutes for the senior team about 10 times, and I doubt there's anyone who has watched all of those. 5 games is enough to get some idea, of course. Youth and reserve games don't give much of a guide at all, and of course it's unlikely anyone will have sat through more than 1 or 2 at most.
Can anyone really claim to have watched the likes of Douglas Costa enough to give a proper assessment though? I'm strongly suspecting 'no', especially since youth football isn't a very useful barometer of a player's potential when you're talking about the very top players.
So by your argument United may as well employ us internet geeks to do their scouting for them.
I'm up for it as long as they pay all my expenses of course
seriously though, seeing as scouts probably only get to see a player a handful of times, I'd rather have a top class talent spotter doing the job.
A top class spotter would be able to identify potential weaknesses based on less appearances than your average internet cnut.
I could also argue that a shit internet geek may not notice a real dip in form when it happens anyway.
So by your argument United may as well employ us internet geeks to do their scouting for them.
I'm up for it as long as they pay all my expenses of course
seriously though, seeing as scouts probably only get to see a player a handful of times, I'd rather have a top class talent spotter doing the job.
A top class spotter would be able to identify potential weaknesses based on less appearances than your average internet cnut.
I could also argue that a shit internet geek may not notice a real dip in form when it happens anyway.
Heh, fair enough.
But the thing is, none of us here are actually world class talent spotters, so while you make a point it's not all that relevant right now.
Basically I can't see why anyone, besides Starkie(and anyone else who's well up on the goings on in Everton's youth), is talking about Rodwell in terms of how much he's worth or if he's at the same level as Rooney, because you'd need to know a lot to make that judgement.
I've seen him a few times, and yeah he looks talented, he looked instantly impressive the first time I watched him play against Liverpool in the FA Cup match iirc. Wasn't fazed at all.
But that's a bit different from deciding he's worth £20m.
so where is the official Caf scouting report?
By the looks of it, somewhere between Liam Miller and Franz Beckenbauer.
?
We can always dream.
It true though, also scouting is an inexact science, even very experienced scouts and managers don't know for sure if a player will work out.
^^^This is what I'm on about. You are just trying to provoke some sort of a reaction from me. But it isn't working.
You have already. Right in this very post above. Same as in the previous two in which you veiled it nicely. Questioning my knowledge of players like I'm some sort of retard who has no right to know such things (i.e"Is there a single player you've not watched, or one you don't actually know about?") It still hasn't worked. But it wont stop you trying harder.
Because you're trying your best to disguise your real motives. So just drop the act. It isn't working.
Spewing more venom
It's you who challenged my knowledge of a player other posters brought up first. There is no valid reason for you to question my knowledge of him and not do the same for others, at the same time in this thread. Unless of course you have other motives. Which makes you a hypocrite and a trouble maker.
Rather you drop it. I'm not the one who came in here questioning the knowledge of other posters and trying to make them justify any such knowledge to me. You did. No one appointed you the knowledge police on here. So quit acting like you are it.
Bahaha. Look, you're a fecking idiot. There was no conspiracy theory to wind you up here. Are you so used to everyone taking the piss out of you you can't even handle simple question without thinking there's some conspiracy behind it?
Though really I suppose everyone does laugh at you, and noone believes you know half the shit the say you do. Drop the high and mighty attitude because it's not doing you any favours.
i thought the 6+5 thing was illegal within the european union?...I seem to remember a little court case some years back about some belgian bloke
Well hes no Matty James
I never said I haven't watched them at that level from time to time. I'm blessed to I live in a place where English youth football is relayed on the regular. It is there for not very had to come across an Everton playing some interesting games at that level.
Why not?
It's football. When they get to play one or some of the big 4 teams for example, or FA Youth cup games I have no qualms watching them. I simply love football.James looks a good prospect.
The "fecking idiot" is you pal! All you've done is to come on here to launch needless venom filled attack after attack, act like you're are some sort of knowledge police on here and then get preachy. Worse still you still like a pitiful ostrich, trying to make it seem like others are "paranoid and looking for conspiracies", when your silly game has been found out.The joke is falling on you alone and you are too blind to see it. If you want to go one looking like a loser, be my guest. I'm not going to bother getting into a slagging match with some one like you. A person displaying the worst kind of "high and mighty attitude" in here, yet having the audacity to be preachy.
You are just laughable
Burst a vein for all I care. A joke and childish creature like you calling me a "fecking idiot" just goes to show I'm not one. Which is more than fine enough for me.
So do your worst. You will just make me laugh all the harder.
True that.
I never said I haven't watched them at that level from time to time. I'm blessed to I live in a place where English youth football is relayed on the regular. It is there for not very had to come across an Everton playing some interesting games at that level.
Why not?
Right, so you have watched Everton youth games?
You're just an oddball then, Cheifo.
Yes I am. I'm a football addict, first class.
Anyone else look good in the Everton youth teams?
Baxter and Gosling. Two boys who I feel, have a chance of being very good. But like all youth, you never know. I remember how good Vaughn looked a number of years back, yet look at him now. Some players just freeze in their progress for some reason.
I always shake my head in shame and disbelief when I think of how good I thought Reyes and Mvuemba were going to be
But people like Ronaldo, Rooney and even Fletch cheer me up
The fact RICTR can barely grasp the English language somehow makes him seem even more insulting.
Sorry chief i don't mean to doubt you, any other youngster catch your eye? At the moment some people might think you're just mentioning names that anyone who's watched match of the day would have heard of.
And Vaughan got a series of quite nasty injuries if i recall that hampered his progress. Knee ligaments or something.
Collison of West Ham is going to be a hell of a player, if we're on the subject of promising young English players.
He has a good frame, that will fill out some more. He has a languid elegance ala Carrick, but he also likes to get forward not too dissimilar to Lampard.
I think the future of English football is bright if these boys carry on on their current developmental trajectories.
I really like the look of Collison and Rodwell.
He has a good frame, that will fill out some more. He has a languid elegance ala Carrick, but he also likes to get forward not too dissimilar to Lampard.
I think the future of English football is bright if these boys carry on on their current developmental trajectories.
I really like the look of Collison and Rodwell.
I don't watch a lot of other clubs youth so i can't really say about them. I've watched the majority of United reserve matches this season so feel i can form an opinion on them, and watched a lot of premier league games and could comment on the youngsters for some premier league clubs.
In my opinon Rodwell looks like a decent defensive mid. I've heard that they think his future is at centre back but i can only comment on where i've seen him play. He reads the game pretty well and has a decent range of passing, a little like a very young Rio Ferdinand when he played DM but not as elegant yet. Good travelling with the ball and not a bad shot, i do think he will become a very tidy player. Not sure about him at centre back yet, but that's only because i haven't seen him play there.
In my opinon Rodwell looks like a decent defensive mid. I've heard that they think his future is at centre back but i can only comment on where i've seen him play. He reads the game pretty well and has a decent range of passing, a little like a very young Rio Ferdinand when he played DM but not as elegant yet. Good travelling with the ball and not a bad shot, i do think he will become a very tidy player. Not sure about him at centre back yet, but that's only because i haven't seen him play there.