Jack Rodwell | Sold to City

cesc's_mullet said:
Is there a single player you've not watched, or one you don't actually know about?
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That should be obvious to you if you were not just a plain hypocrite. There are many I don't know and haven't seen. I next to never assess the merits and demerits of such players. For it's the dumbest of things to do.

cesc's_mullet said:
I mean really you cannot justify paying 30 million for a teenager who's played all of a dozen first team games in his life, no matter what you think. Look at Richards for crying out loud.
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All young players don't end up the same way. Besides, I never said any where he is worth 30 million. But I did say he is worth a high figure like 20M. Just look at how much we paid for an 18 year old Anderson. Who came to OT with out British player tax.

Rooney in contrast came with British player tax and cost us 30 million.

cesc's_mullet said:
And on a side note - shoving your high and mighty attitude may make people take the piss out of you less. Just a tip like.
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High and migthy my arse.:rolleyes:

Brwned got the answer he deserved. I've told him time and again that I don't belive it sensible to discuss merits or demerits of players I've never seen on a decent basis and I've grown fecking tired of repeating myself to him.

Furthermore, I haven't seen you jump on Brnwed's back and claim he is acting like he knows "footballers every where" for the wide knowledge of global football he has. Which just goes to show your looking to stir up some stupid trouble to mess up this thread.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
That should be obvious to you if you were not just a plain hypocrite. There are many I don't know and haven't seen. I next to never assess the merits and demerits of such players. For it's the dumbest of things to do.

All young players don't end up the same way. Besides, I never said any where he is worth 30 million. But I did say he is worth a high figure like 20M. Just look at how much we paid for an 18 year old Anderson. Who came to OT with out British player tax.

Rooney in contrast came with British player tax and cost us 30 million.

High and migthy my arse.:rolleyes:

Brwned got the answer he deserved. I've told him time and again that I don't belive it sensible to discuss merits or demerits of players I've never seen on a decent basis and I've grown fecking tired of repeating myself to him.

Furthermore, I haven't seen you jump on Brnwed's back and claim he is acting like he knows "footballers every where" for the wide knowledge of global football he has. Which just goes to show your looking to stir up some stupid trouble to mess up this thread.
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A hypocrite, what the feck are you on about? I was asking a simple question. And I'm not looking to stir up any trouble too you plonker. I asked a question, one that's crossed the minds of anyone who's ever read some of your posts.

You can't not see that it looks a bit strange at times when whenever anyone talks about some outlandish player, or some young guy noone else has seen, you seem to know all about them.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
That should be obvious to you if you were not just a plain hypocrite. There are many I don't know and haven't seen. I next to never assess the merits and demerits of such players. For it's the dumbest of things to do.

All young players don't end up the same way. Besides, I never said any where he is worth 30 million. But I did say he is worth a high figure like 20M. Just look at how much we paid for an 18 year old Anderson. Who came to OT with out British player tax.

Rooney in contrast came with British player tax and cost us 30 million.

High and migthy my arse.:rolleyes:

Brwned got the answer he deserved. I've told him time and again that I don't belive it sensible to discuss merits or demerits of players I've never seen on a decent basis and I've grown fecking tired of repeating myself to him.

Furthermore, I haven't seen you jump on Brnwed's back and claim he is acting like he knows "footballers every where" for the wide knowledge of global football he has. Which just goes to show your looking to stir up some stupid trouble to mess up this thread.
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Lieeessss.

At most this is the second time we've talked about it.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
A hypocrite, what the feck are you on about? I was asking a simple question. And I'm not looking to stir up any trouble too you plonker. I asked a question, one that's crossed the minds of anyone who's ever read some of your posts.
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You are fooling no one. All you are doing is looking to stir up trouble. Period. There was nothing genuine or innocent about your question and you know it. It was just a direct attempt to provoke some sort of reaction from me which you could jump on and blow of proportion. The manner of your reply shows it beyond doubt and Frankly I'm not interested in playing out the role you trying to audition me for. If you have nothing of value to actually add to this thread, namely the real topic it's about, you can leave it. I wont permit you to turn this into a thread about me or what I do or don't do. The ball is in your court.

cesc's_mullet said:
You can't not see that it looks a bit strange at times when whenever anyone talks about some outlandish player, or some young guy noone else has seen, you seem to know all about them.
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There is nothing remotely outlandish about players like Jack Rodwell.

Furthermore as I said earlier, I've seen several of these players I've talked about brought up by fellas like Brwned, to name just one other poster, on the regular. Even players I've never talked about nor seen, yet I don't see folk like you bringing up such things like "it's a bit strange you seem to know them and no ones else does" with him or them. A thing you conveniently refused to address when I put it to you. Yet you are here pretending not to get why I'm calling you a hypocrite as a result. Further proof of your motives....
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
You are fooling no one. All you are doing is looking to stir up trouble. Period. There was nothing genuine or innocent about your question and you know it. It was just a direct attempt to provoke some sort of reaction from me which you could jump on and blow of proportion. The manner of your reply shows it beyond doubt and Frankly I'm not interested in playing out the role you trying to audition me for. If you have nothing of value to actually add to this thread, namely the real topic it's about, you can leave it. I wont permit you to turn this into a thread about me or what I do or don't do. The ball is in your court.

There is nothing remotely outlandish about players like Jack Rodwell.

Furthermore as I said earlier, I've seen several of these players I've talked about brought up by fellas like Brwned, to name just one other poster, on the regular. Even players I've never talked about nor seen, yet I don't see folk like you bringing up such things like "it's a bit strange you seem to know them and no ones else does" with him or them. A thing you conveniently refused to address when I put it to you. Yet you are here pretending not to get why I'm calling you a hypocrite as a result. Further proof of your motives....
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:lol:

What the feck are you on about?

Don't be fecking stupid. If I was doing it to 'stir up trouble' then I'd have carried on and called you out for the retard everyone else seems to think you are. But I didn't, did I? And why the feck would I lie? I actually find what you have to say interesting for various reasons, most of the time.

And not earlier today I said I was surprised someone like Brwned 'knew' so much, and was futher surprised to learn he's only 18. I specifically said I thought he must've been some old fart to have been able to comment on so much. and I didn't bother addressing your question because it's idiotic and immature. Just like that speal there, you're going paranoid.

Not that I have to justify myself to you for such a silly think like that. And like I said earlier, drop the high and mighty attitude, it's tiresome.
 
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cesc's_mullet said:
:lol:

What the feck are you on about?

Don't be fecking stupid. If I was doing it to 'stir up trouble' then I'd have carried on and called you out for the retard everyone else seems to think you are. But I didn't, did I? And why the feck would I lie? I actually find what you have to say interesting for various reasons, most of the time.

And not earlier today I said I was surprised someone like Brwned 'knew' so much, and was futher surprised to learn he's only 18. I specifically said I thought he must've been some old fart to have been able to comment on so much. and I didn't bother addressing your question because it's idiotic and immature. Just like that speal there, you're going paranoid.

Not that I have to justify myself to you for such a silly think like that. And like I said earlier, drop the high and mighty attitude, it's tiresome.
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I don't know so much, there are hundreds of people on here that know more than I do, just for some reason they'd rather read what people have to say instead of cotributing to the discussion.

I don't think I'm overly argumentative either, not in normal circumstances.
 
GlastonSpur said:
That doesn't change my view that "anything up to 30m" for Rodwell would be utterly ridiculous.

When United signed Rooney he had already made more than 3 times as many appearances for Everton than Rodwell has. Plus he had already played for the England senior team, aged 17, whilst Rodwell only gained his first U-21 cap a few weeks ago.

30m would be not far from equalling the total combined fee that Spurs paid for Modric (last summer) and Arsenal paid for Arshavin (in January).

I repeat, the 80m paid for Ronaldo seems to have destroyed all sense of proportion or transfer sense in some posters.
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Although it would be less than Spurs payed for both Pavlyuchenko and Darren Bent. So its fair to say that previous transfers, and in particular comparing to two successful ones dont have any bearing or indication on how this would turn out.

The Ronaldo money, or more likely the money Madrid, City and possibly Chelsea are flashing about has or will have distorted the entire market. It isnt just posters on forums making rash statements....

Zlatan - 76.6million
Hulk - 35million
Glen Johnson - 18million

etc etc...

Any transfer brings about personal differences, especially if you have only seen him in a handful of games. Im going on what I've seen from watching Rodwell at the age of 15, to the way he has eased himself into the first-team now and the obvious ability he has. To me in the current climate when players of half the potential ability and at almost a decade his senior are moving for 20million, it would be money well spent.
 
Well then don't do silly things like compare Rodwell to Rooney before he's even started 15 games for the first team.
 
I would pay up to 70M on this unproven U-21 who hardly plays for his team, especially since he can play as an emergency CB. The other 10M I would pay out in wages and incentives.
 
cesc's_mullet said:
:lol:

What the feck are you on about?

Don't be fecking stupid.
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^^^This is what I'm on about. You are just trying to provoke some sort of a reaction from me. But it isn't working.

cesc's_mullet said:
If I was doing it to 'stir up trouble' then I'd have carried on and called you out for the retard everyone else seems to think you are. But I didn't, did I?
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You have already. Right in this very post above. Same as in the previous two in which you veiled it nicely. Questioning my knowledge of players like I'm some sort of retard who has no right to know such things (i.e"Is there a single player you've not watched, or one you don't actually know about?") It still hasn't worked. But it wont stop you trying harder. :lol:


cesc's_mullet said:
And why the feck would I lie? I actually find what you have to say interesting for various reasons, most of the time.
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Because you're trying your best to disguise your real motives. So just drop the act. It isn't working.

cesc's_mullet said:
And not earlier today I said I was surprised someone like Brwned 'knew' so much, and was futher surprised to learn he's only 18. I specifically said I thought he must've been some old fart to have been able to comment on so much. and I didn't bother addressing your question because it's idiotic and immature. Just like that speal there, you're going paranoid.
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Spewing more venom :lol: Go on burst a vein:lol:

It's you who challenged my knowledge of a player other posters brought up first. There is no valid reason for you to question my knowledge of him and not do the same for others, at the same time in this thread. Unless of course you have other motives. Which makes you a hypocrite and a trouble maker.

cesc's_mullet said:
Not that I have to justify myself to you for such a silly think like that. And like I said earlier, drop the high and mighty attitude, it's tiresome.
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Rather you drop it. I'm not the one who came in here questioning the knowledge of other posters and trying to make them justify any such knowledge to me. You did. No one appointed you the knowledge police on here. So quit acting like you are it.
 
Brwned said:
Well then don't do silly things like compare Rodwell to Rooney before he's even started 15 games for the first team.
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He has played in about 21 games for Everton in all competitions. For me that is enough time to access his ability. I'd agree with your notion if he was a striker. But it's next to unheard of for a teenage midfielder to have such a key role in team trying to compete like Everton are.
 
im just not sure that rodwell would get enough games if he came to us what with carrick, fletcher, anderson, scholes, and possibly even a fit hargreaves (it might happen)....

good player but i cant see him developing in the reserves as much as if he is playing in the premiership...

maybee try to secure an option for next season... or even look at buying him but letting him have another season at everton?
 
GlastonSpur said:
That doesn't change my view that "anything up to 30m" for Rodwell would be utterly ridiculous.

When United signed Rooney he had already made more than 3 times as many appearances for Everton than Rodwell has. Plus he had already played for the England senior team, aged 17, whilst Rodwell only gained his first U-21 cap a few weeks ago.

30m would be not far from equalling the total combined fee that Spurs paid for Modric (last summer) and Arsenal paid for Arshavin (in January).

I repeat, the 80m paid for Ronaldo seems to have destroyed all sense of proportion or transfer sense in some posters.
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I agree. Anything up to 30 million for a Rodwell would be madness. Especially with the amount of games he has played for the first team in the league proper. But " British tax" for prime British talent would ensure he wouldn't cost less than 11 million and could even reach 20 million unfortunately.
 
With this summer being a crazy transfer window, due to Real Madrid and all the money they pump into the system, the prize will rise.. Everton know, that United have plenty of cash, so it would not surprise me if a player like Rodwell would cost United 16-18 million..
 
That run he made a bit ago was pretty nice. Probably should have played it to the right instead of taking a shot but still decent play from the kid.
 
He is playing well tonight, one of their best players, would love it if united stole him from everton he has a great future
 
playing brilliant tonight think we should be looking to snap this kid up, would probably be less of a gamble than paying millions for another young brazilian.
 
People rave about Jack Wilshere - to me Jack Rodwell is a better player. Maybe not in terms of pure skill - but he looks so darn mature when he plays.

I would claim it was a steal if we could have signed Rodwell for less than £20 million. I am pretty certain it would pay off in the long run!
 
lysglimt said:
People rave about Jack Wilshere - to me Jack Rodwell is a better player. Maybe not in terms of pure skill - but he looks so darn mature when he plays.

I would claim it was a steal if we could have signed Rodwell for less than £20 million. I am pretty certain it would pay off in the long run!
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Glad someone agrees.

There is not a chance Everton would let him go for less than 20-25 million, albeit mostly add on related. Dont see him leaving for a good few years yet mind you, he is at the right place.
 
lysglimt said:
People rave about Jack Wilshere - to me Jack Rodwell is a better player. Maybe not in terms of pure skill - but he looks so darn mature when he plays.

I would claim it was a steal if we could have signed Rodwell for less than £20 million. I am pretty certain it would pay off in the long run!
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Wilshere is special. Its not often an English player is supremely technically gifted.
 
Brwned said:
He's started 12 games.

9 were in the league.

Not enough to judge him on, seeing as I highly doubt you watched more than 5 of them.
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You are a prick brwned you really are mate

surely know one could have seen more of a player than you have!!
 
Nistelrooy10 said:
I would pay up to 70M on this unproven U-21 who hardly plays for his team, especially since he can play as an emergency CB. The other 10M I would pay out in wages and incentives.
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:wenger: I bet Winston Bogarde wishes you were the scout who found him.
 
Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber said:
TBF this Rodwell boy is in the Rooney bracket. He'd make it anywhere unless injury stopped him.
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No he isn't. Rooney was a once in a generation talent. Rodwell is not...but he may well become a world beater....That said, at this moment in time 20-30mil is way to high a price to pay without any kind of proven track record.

Addis said:
We need youtube compilations with Remember the name as the background music and flashing images.

If you don't have evidence like that, then we won't listen to you.

Youtube I say!
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Best post in this thread by far..In fact I think you should post it in every thread in the transfer forum
 
Brwned said:
I'm sure Starkie's seen a lot more of him than I have.
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My friends uncles cousins sisters nan is Jack's bit on the side.......takes after our Wayne in that respect.

Im not saying we should go splash 20-30million on him, IMO he should stay where he is for a good few years and develop at a very good club under Moyes. But if we WERE to go in for him, that the sort of fee Everton would ask. Especially if the takeover rumours are true.
 
Starkie_1 said:
Glad someone agrees.

There is not a chance Everton would let him go for less than 20-25 million, albeit mostly add on related. Dont see him leaving for a good few years yet mind you, he is at the right place.
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There is not a chance Everton would let him go unless he asked for a transfer - Everton cant afford another Rooney-story
 
lysglimt said:
There is not a chance Everton would let him go unless he asked for a transfer - Everton cant afford another Rooney-story
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Everton or Kenwright?

Moyes wouldnt have a say in the matter. Money talks unfortunately and unless Kenwright sticks to his word and finds a suitable buyer then there is every chance Rodwell would be sold.
 
GlastonSpur said:
Eh? Earlier on you said "I'd pay anything up to £30million for Rodwell ..."
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Which means anything upto 30million? And I stand by it. I would pay that for him.

EDIT: Sorry just re-read. I meant I wouldnt expect us to go spend 30 million on him this summer, but if we did it wouldnt suprise me as I think this is the fee his talent and Everton would command.
 
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