Heh. My transfer muppet is never very well hidden!
I just think this lad will have it all. The complete package. Exactly what we need.
Jack Rodwell | Sold to City
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Heh. My transfer muppet is never very well hidden!
I just think this lad will have it all. The complete package. Exactly what we need.
Where do you see him actually playing, weren't people saying that he'll eventually develop best at center back? He doesn't look too creative.
Moyes hasn't proven himself to the extent that he could be trusted to take over here, IMHO. Not to mention that I'd have some doubts about the style of football he plays at times. Whether that's forced on him by circumstances remains to be seen.
I won't mind Moyes following SAF, in fact, I can't see anyone I'd rather have, but SAF's going to stay a few more seasons. Luckily.
Right before I saw this thread updates was on Skysports and reading an article about Arteta and then on the side was a list of other articles and it was Neville saying Rodwell is really going to shine this season.
First thought that came to me was - wonder if we are lining up a large bid for him next season. Dunno just popped into my head that we'll be going for him big time next summer.
First thought that came to me was - wonder if we are lining up a large bid for him next season. Dunno just popped into my head that we'll be going for him big time next summer.
A really dominant, box to box midfielder IMO. Roy Keane/Paddy Viera stylee.
United have missed the driving force that Keane provided but can Rodwell really be expected to do the same job at 20 years of age? If he was signed, do you think that he'd walk straight into our first team like Rooney? Why do you think he hasn't been given a senior call up to the national team yet?
Probably for the same reason clueless chooses Barry over Carrick and started Milner on the left against the US.
I haven't seen much of Rodwell but it's hard to imagine a 20 yr old being able to run the middle especially against top class opposition.
I haven't seen much of Rodwell but it's hard to imagine a 20 yr old being able to run the middle especially against top class opposition.
Where did he say he was the finished article already? He's talking about potential.
Basically yeah.
I've convinced myself this will be his breakthrough season. Not ready right now but able to play an important part the next season and really start to dominate the season after.
Obviously, I'm being massively muppet here but I really think he's the mutts nuts.
Yeh he's going to be a top Internation player for a long time. I'm glad he's stayed at Everton this season though because, like you, I expect him to break into the first team early in the season then keep his place.
Next Summer he'll go for a large fee. I don't think it will be to us though.
Probably not. Everton will get 30m plus for him. Basically Chelsea and City will be the only clubs willing. Unless he chooses to leave England which I would highly doubt.
But scenario me this... United offer 25m... while the sugar daddy toy clubs offer 35-40m each. Rodwell demands the United move. What do Everton do? Who has the power?
But scenario me this... United offer 25m... while the sugar daddy toy clubs offer 35-40m each. Rodwell demands the United move. What do Everton do? Who has the power?
I don't think any club can sign a footballer who doesn't want to play for them. Which must mean almost all the power is with the player.
Rodwell would be entitled to serve out his contract with Everton, no more.
Moyes would be a risk.
Done well with Everton on a shoestring but never really had the pressure, expectation or potential banana skins he'd get at United.
Also gonna be a tough job to fill Sir Alex's shoes especially for a young scotsman who'll constantly be compared but will likely never match up.
I can see us going for someone with more of a distinct personality...
Why would he demand a move to United? City and Chelsea could be just as attractive in terms of future success - as well as settging him up financially.
Isn`t Pogba being Groomed for that role? Rodwell has a really great shot in him. Maybe a more attacking role would suit him if he came!
I think he is a cracking player, he is technically very good, can pass, tackle and shoot as well as having a decent engine. I hope he is kept in midfield instead of being turned into a centre half. Would be a bit of a waste in my opinion if he was changed into a centre half because his game is so suited to the middle. The club that manages to snap him up will be very lucky.
But by those criteria we should only sign a manager that has been at a big club. I don't agree with that.
I'd like the job to be given to a "safe pair of hands" for the first 2 years to steady the ship during the mourning of Fergie then give it to a young, promising manager.
can't comment on rodwell, but ramsey and wilshere are fecking cracking british players.
shame we don't have either. I was much more impressed with wilshere's performance at bolton vs. us last year than rodwell vs. us....and he's younger as well.
mind you, not the same position.
However, didn't fergie and moyes say they see him at Centerback in the future?
As for moyes, no thanks..someone who has won in the english game and in europe please.
shame we don't have either. I was much more impressed with wilshere's performance at bolton vs. us last year than rodwell vs. us....and he's younger as well.
mind you, not the same position.
However, didn't fergie and moyes say they see him at Centerback in the future?
As for moyes, no thanks..someone who has won in the english game and in europe please.
Yes, let's have Moyes and Rodwell, and then unsettle Rooney who's had a feud with Moyes. Brilliant idea.
(But I'd take Rodwell, he's going to become a monster of a player)
(But I'd take Rodwell, he's going to become a monster of a player)
Yes, let's have Moyes and Rodwell, and then unsettle Rooney who's had a feud with Moyes. Brilliant idea.
(But I'd take Rodwell, he's going to become a monster of a player)
moyes and rooney have squashed their beef.
They've settled in court, yes. I've a hard time thinking they'll be best pals if reunited.
That's not overrating that's faith, justified or otherwise. Just last year Ozil was playing in the u21s and he's soon to be 22, Rodwell's only just turned 19 and chances are will step into the national first team at an earlier age than Ozil did(and Hamsik, FWIW). That's not to say that he's better than Ozil, and I do understand the argument about proven quality, but it's a bit ott to call it 'ridiculous'. He's made 26 league starts whereas at the same age Ozil had made 19 starts in an easier league. Again, not saying he's more promising but there's two sides to every coin and he's played a very decent number of games now at a high level for people to get a good judgement on him - there's no need to criticise those opinions, even if you disagree.
On Moyes, he's the only British manager I'd be quite happy to have. He doesn't play the prettiest football but it's gradually improved as he's progressed along with the club, with more technical players being added every year (Bilyaletdinov, Donovan, Saha, Arteta, Pienaar all signed in consecutive seasons and all a while away from the likes of MON's signings, for example) to add to the strong spine of the club.
He's always been very willing to give youth a chance - although credit should be given to Everton's academy to allow him - and he's always been able to find players who have the right mentality to stay at the club long-term, be it through signings English players, PL-proven players, or just people from slightly more obscure places like Arteta/Fellaini/Yobo who've shown leadership qualities and passion for the club.
That mirrors a lot of what Sir Alex has done, with the only blot on his copy book being the fact that when he did sneak into the CL he couldn't push through to the groups at least, but that was partly down to a very tough draw to the CL finalists that year, and you can't criticise him for not making a mark at the top level because Everton have no right to be there, he'd have to do exceptionally well to get them in.
As for Rodwell, I think the thing that's most impressive about him is less to do with what assets he has that are exceptional, and more to do with what flaws he doesn't have that are almost a given for players of his age - he plays with no fear, an elegant composure and assuredness that is so rare at his age in any position, never mind a player of his physique playing in centre mid. Even further than that it's the fact that he'd played as a centre back for the vast majority of his youth career[1], and yet he's still brought that elegance and calm into what is - in my view - easily the most difficult position for a young player. It's not like he's just played as a deep-lying midfielder where he's not under as much pressure and he has plenty of space to just play the simple ball, he's played as a box-to-box midfielder and on a couple of occasions as an attacking midfielder right in the thick of things...and he's just never looked fazed. Add to that his rate of development(or rate of settling in) over the last couple of years which led to things like David Moyes saying he wasn't even aware Rodwell could shoot as well as he can until he seen it in the flesh in the first team as well as commenting on his willingness to learn and his all round mentality[2], and then you add in the fact he's a very clean tackler, a very capable passer of the ball long and short, very comfortable carrying the ball, aerially impressive, very two-footed, can shoot from range...and what can you say? All of this makes for the perfect package really.
Comparing him to Rooney is unfair on two points, I feel, with the first being that it's considerably easier to shine as an attacker as a young player because you can play almost entirely on instinct - flair, pace and natural skill are enough to allow you to play in an attacking position(especially on the wing) in the first team because you're looking for the player to make an impact, not for the player to make the team flow and organise it - whereas in midfield you can't take the same risk with young players, a simple concentration lapse from a young defensive midfielder in the kind of areas they play can be catastrophic and lead directly to a goal and you have to be sure you can rely on them, you have to be sure they can fit in a certain style of play right away rather than slowly let them adapt to it. That and Rooney's one of the most talented players in the history of England, and was ready for the top level at a shockingly young age - even compared to the majority of players that are deemed as some of the best players of their decades - and isn't really how you should be expecting any player to develop, even if they are destined to be exceptional players at some point.
I personally think he'll end up a defensive midfielder in the same vein as someone like Yaya Toure or Alex Song, who both started their careers as centre backs, and both have a lot more to their game than simply destroying attacks so if born a decade earlier could easily have played as box-to-box midfielders, but judging by the lack of players of this ilk we have and the increasing trend of 3-man midfields I don't think there's a lot of room for such a broad style of play - although he could easily play much like Essien in playing mainly as a holding midfielder with the opportunity to switch positions when needed. If the tactic of dropping your holding midfielder in between the two centre backs to stretch the play ever spreads further than simply Barcelona and Spain, he'd be ideal for doing so because of his composure and versatility of play.
[1] - "I've always played defence because I've always been the biggest at the younger ages, so it was only natural for me to play there," Rodwell continued.
[2] - “He is a very good player with really good composure, I just didn’t know he was such a good shooter,” said the Everton manager. “I knew he was a good striker of the ball but his shooting tonight came as a bit of a surprise to me. " and “[he is] a very good boy who wants to improve, has a lot of potential and is very conscientious”
Yeah I really overdid that one - if you're going to bother reading any of it just read the paragraph that starts with 'As for Rodwell...', the rest is pretty much entirely irrelevant.
I agree, I've always said that Moyes is Sir Alex's best potential successor.
Next in the line of great Scottish managers in my opinion.
Rodwell and Bale and I think our squad would not need signings for years to come!! We dont need them but they both have the talent to give us something else!!
regarding composure, i've seen the lad about 10 times and I do not see him as any more composed on the ball compared to ramsey for sure but even wilshere. I would say he's less comfortable than either of the latter two.
Now wilshere is more attacking, so yes, he can get away with playing more on instinct, but for rodwell to be rated 6 times the fee ramsey went for is utter tripe. maybe twice the fee due to ramsey movng from the championship and being welsh, but 30 million vs. 5 million is taking the piss.
I do not see anything from rodwell that says he'll be head over shoulders above ramsey and wilshere. Nor is he mobile enough IMO to be true box to box like essien or a young keane.
Read it all. Was a good read.
That's actually quite a fair point, maybe I used the wrong word. He's not just got the composure but he's got the reliability, he's someone that you not only look to when you need to pull something out of the bag, he's someone you can look to to set an example. He's very aware of his responsibilities, whereas Wilshire to me is a way away from that - more talented certainly, IMO, but still very naive in his play at times. Brilliant but naive. I've seemingly got the wrong impression of Ramsay so I'll not really comment on him, but I think you've a fair point there. He's very mature in his play for a young'un.
I don't really see the point of comparing transfer fees between a team who were in a poor financial situation, who don't really have the negotiating team nor stature to command a big fee, to a team who are historically very good negotiators and are quite stable financially(to the extent they could pay £15m for Fellaini, for example?). It just seems a bit pointless - why not compare him to Lescott? He's a bargain at £20m then. And further than that, we'd be comparing prices based on media 'sources' with Rodwell...which is a bit much really.
All we can say is they got Ramsay for a bargain, and shouldn't really be the cornerstone to which all other young British talent should be compared to...even ignoring how much transfer fees have risen in that space of time!
Ramsey was playing for Cardiff in the Championship and had something like a year on his contact. And was very young. With Rodwell you have a player that has a 5 year contract and is already one of Evertons most important players in the PL! And he is English that will add on an extra 10 mills and he will not go for less than 25 mills! If we sell half of our 8 strikers next summer than we should be able to afford him!
im not saying that it wont take that much to get him because i agree someone will have to pay out of the nose to get rodwell, but his pricetag is nowhere near the 'value for money' that ramsey was.
on an aside, since rodwell is british...i would've loved for us to spunk the 8 million last jan to get adam johnson. I usually bash england a lot, but I hope wilshere and johnson all the best for england, both of these lads excite me and along with bale and ramsey, i wish all four of these british lads were on our books.
I just don't get "it" with Johnson.
Good lad Brwned some good posts there, agree completely.
Hes a classy player already, his potential given his nature is frightning. Muppet here guilty as charged!!!!
Hes a classy player already, his potential given his nature is frightning. Muppet here guilty as charged!!!!
Rodwell needs to be in the England squad now, and out of the three big youngsters right now, he's the one that needs to starting ASAP. Barry is a monster liability, proven mostly against Germany, but he hasn't been good in a England jersey for a good year or so anyway.
He'll become a beastin box-to-boxer for me, more on the defensive side ala Keane rather than say the Ballack/Gerrard(when they were actually b2b obviously) type.
He'll become a beastin box-to-boxer for me, more on the defensive side ala Keane rather than say the Ballack/Gerrard(when they were actually b2b obviously) type.
Yeah, he'll be in the squad extremely soon. Not sure why he wasn't tried against Hungary to be honest, why Wilshere and Gibbs but not him? He's got that maturity in his play already, he's made for the big stage. He'll be there within the year anyway. I actually have a feeling that Welbeck might too, should he make the impact I expect him to on loan. Definitely a changing of the guard about to happening, and I think Rodwell will be at the forefront.
I'd agree with that as with the system that England played on wednesday Danny would be a much more valuable player than Walcott who couldn't pick out a player to save his life. Danny is far more creative and intelligent. Just needs a couple of good seasons under his belt.