Which is why we are not, the guy most pissed off in this thread is Welsh.
Jack Grenglish
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Which is why we are not, the guy most pissed off in this thread is Welsh.
He could very well be serious, but that doesn't mean he's right.
Fair enough..but you can never tell on the net..and for the record, its definitely not right.
I know, I was being polite.
Agreed.
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I have no doubts English football has no moral high ground and is probably hypocritical to the core. It will do what is best for English football at the expense of everyone else, which is partially the reason why England should not complain about the Irish FA doing what is best for them. But it doesn't escape the fact it was English football who gave him his break and developed him, so he perhaps has an affiliation with English football. It is unfortunate that the Irish can't compete with this and your example is a sign of the inequality in football, but this has nothing to do with Grealish's choice.
There's a few words which come to mind hereOther people have already said stuff, but I highly disagree with your comparison of names. You would have had a point if you had mentioned that those players missed out on an international career because of their perception of belonging to English football.
If he picked Ireland would that have ruined his chances of becoming a big earning Man City English bench warmer like his mates Delph and Sinclair?
He would have counted as homegrown anyway. But being part of the England team does increase your earning potential and your demand.
Best wishes to him. The only annoying thing is he waited this long to make his obvious choice. Keeping us as a fallback.
I'm sure a few are. Besides I was just responding to the post I quoted.
Does it though? Why would he be in more demand? The managers at top clubs couldn't give a feck what international team he played for and would probably actually prefer he play for Ireland as he'd have most summers off to rest. Unless you are going to be the best player in the country does it really offer more earning potential? Does being an average player for England really offer more financial gains than being the face of Ireland? Again, I highly doubt it.
Steve Bruce is more known even now than Walters will ever be.
Sponsorship deals is where an English player will make more dosh than an Irish one.
Only if you make the England team, which there's no guarantee he will.
(Who am I kidding, with Hodgson as manager he's nailed on to be in the next team)
But does you average English player really get lucrative sponsorship deals? Are the likes Milner and Barry really raking in huge sponsorship deals that they wouldn't have got if they were Irish considering they'd have been the face of Irish football?
If you're a Wayne Rooney or Steven Gerrard, Robbie Keane probably earns more from being Ireland's biggest name than a player who is in and out of the England squad.
Whatever you say
I'd bet Barry and Milner are making more from sponsorships than most players in the Ireland squad, even your more famous players like Keane or O'Shea.
I don't but into the idea that this was a financial choice from Grealish though, that seems to be sour grapes.
He could sign for Liverpool and join Lalana rubbing that cream jizz on his face in the Nivea ads.
It's the worst advert on the telly. I'm surprised I haven't seen a thread about it on here.
I agree with this. Of course a lot depends on if Grealish makes the England squad but if he doesn't have the drive and determination to get to that level then I question his decision to choose England (not that Ireland want a player with a poor attitude).
Happy I guess. Not a big fan, but equally, I've not seen enough of him. To me, this made the most sense anyway. My grandparents were not born in England and I have pride in where they are from and it's a part of me. However, I was born and raised in England so regardless of their views I would opt to player for England 100%
I really doubt sponsorship money was in his thoughts when making this decision...
Anyway I'm happy with that. He's got great potential and I wouldn't be surprised to see him included in our squad sooner rather than later.
Anyway I'm happy with that. He's got great potential and I wouldn't be surprised to see him included in our squad sooner rather than later.
I very much doubt they made more from sponsors than either Keanes.
I never said it was, I've said for months that Jack loves and is proud to be both Irish and English and I'm happy to support him whoever he plays for. I just disagree with the idea that playing for England is some cash cow and will benefit your chances of playing for a top club.
I know you're getting it from all angles and not jumping on the bandwagon so please don't take it like that, but at under 16, 18 and to a degree 20 does international experience count when the country involved doesn't actually qualify for anything? He would have experienced travelling abroad for villa just as much as for Ireland id have thought
On a serious note though, the development of his international career was done by him taking up a spot in the Irish teams. The inevitable threats of violence are out of order but I wouldn't blame a level headed fan for being a little bit miffed at the situation.
If anything, youth tournaments for the villa would be more beneficial for him through the last 4 years of his development no?
Skertel rubbing moisturiser into the tattoes on his forearms is the gayest thing On TV.
What's that got to do with his post? For the record I thought it was an excellent post by @siw2007 that summarises the situation well. He didn't seem to be taking sides at all so I don't know why you've got your knickers in a twist.
What it comes down to, and what your post neglects to acknowledge, is that it's down to Grealish to choose. If he wants to play a (potentially) small part for England rather than a (potentially) big part for Ireland that's his choice, as it was the choice for Cahill and others to make.
The people getting angry and upset at Grealish (a minority of which have taken to abusing him) aren't doing it because they're genuinely concerned that Grealish won't have a fulfilling international career and a memorable legacy, are they? They're doing it because they're upset and angry for their own selfish reasons. Grealish doesn't owe them anything.
As usual people's morals tend to fit nicely with what is beneficial for themselves. Doesn't stop them from getting on their moral highground and scorning others though.
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English person in choosing English nationality shocker
This probably gets said all too often but there is a good team coming together with England.
But this hinges on Carrick starting at the Euros and Wilshire getting healthy.
Defensively and in goal England are still pretty weak but a front three of
Sterling Sturrige/Rooney Welbeck is very good. Graelish and Barkley can add some pace and trickery too.
But Hodgson will most likely feck it all up with Vardy, Townsend, Milner and Barry.
Overdue for the English manager to pick footballers over athletes and quick thinkers over raw pace.
But this hinges on Carrick starting at the Euros and Wilshire getting healthy.
Defensively and in goal England are still pretty weak but a front three of
Sterling Sturrige/Rooney Welbeck is very good. Graelish and Barkley can add some pace and trickery too.
But Hodgson will most likely feck it all up with Vardy, Townsend, Milner and Barry.
Overdue for the English manager to pick footballers over athletes and quick thinkers over raw pace.
Happy St Patricks day Jack?
Don't worry England will get the almighty bitch slap in a few years time when Angel Gomes sacks off England for Portugal.
Has anyone mentioned yet that he has an extremely punchable face?
He's got 100% Irish blood though so, I'm confused.
Meh. If I thought he was good, I'd be going mad right about now. Plus, he looks like a punk
Meh. If I thought he was good, I'd be going mad right about now. Plus, he looks like a punk
I think it says plenty that most Irish people are thinking "feck it. leave him off sure" and most English people are thinking "er... cheers. yeah... just leave it over there with the others thanks".
90% of his "fame" comes from dragging out a decision on which nation he is going to bless with his divine presence. In terms of football ability and potential, he is one of a large group of wide or central attacking midfielders. A group in which England regularly produce "next big things", the vast majority of whom turn out to be wholly underwhelming.
Wish the fella all the best but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's significant enough to warrant all this fuss.
90% of his "fame" comes from dragging out a decision on which nation he is going to bless with his divine presence. In terms of football ability and potential, he is one of a large group of wide or central attacking midfielders. A group in which England regularly produce "next big things", the vast majority of whom turn out to be wholly underwhelming.
Wish the fella all the best but I haven't seen anything to suggest he's significant enough to warrant all this fuss.
This truely makes a lot of sense.
More chance of playing in a tournament with England.
And that also.