Jack Grealish / signs new 5 year contract

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sherrinford said:
McTominay, Fred, Greenwood, Ighalo, James?
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I don't even know if I have to say more to this... Greenwood / Ighalo / James replacing Pogba? he is a CM.

Bruno is a creator, only Greenwood can create anything from those names.
 
crossy1686 said:
It won't be VDB I'm certain of that. Not a single murmur about him since Van Der Sar used our name to scare Madrid into bidding, and that was over a month ago now.
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Ok then we will get Grealish whatever happens to Villa on Sunday
 
crossy1686 said:
It won't be VDB I'm certain of that. Not a single murmur about him since Van Der Sar used our name to scare Madrid into bidding, and that was over a month ago now.
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Could be because of the good relationship between the clubs they are speaking directly and not through agents, thereby reducing the leaks. VdS is more or less in touch with Judge/Woodward.

I personally think this deal could be done at any moment, we’re just waiting for Ole to decide between him and Graelish. Or possibly waiting to see if we get CL.
 
He will definitely get the question about his future again on Sunday whatever the final outcome
 
romufc said:
What happens when Pogba or Bruno get injured or need a rest?
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That's why I think make an ighalo type signing where we bring in a guy who is a decent rotational option while not breaking the bank. Not spend a big fee on someone because of depth.

While we're worrying about what if's, what happens when Matic gets needs rest? Or we play a fast team that will expose his fading athleticism?

What happens when we persist with the unimpressive Maguire/Lindelof duo?

I think Grealish is a decent player and would raise the average quality of the squad but if we are looking at only signing 2-3 players we shouldn't be spending a good chunk of our budget on him. I dont see how Grealish or VdB or any other #8/#10 helps us close the gap on Liverpool and City more than fixing the holes in our 11.
 
zenith said:
Even keeping that aside, while he's a very good player but I don't see where he fits into the game we play, which is based on quick passing and inter play and moving the ball forward quickly. Grealish game is based on holding on to the ball, picking a pass and drawing fouls. In that sense, he's more of a city type player.
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That is a very good point, but it can be that he plays this way because of how Villa tend to operate as well.
 
theklr said:
Could be because of the good relationship between the clubs they are speaking directly and not through agents, thereby reducing the leaks. VdS is more or less in touch with Judge/Woodward.

I personally think this deal could be done at any moment, we’re just waiting for Ole to decide between him and Graelish. Or possibly waiting to see if we get CL.
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That's how transfers are done anyway. Clubs contact agents to see if a player is interested in playing for the club as they're not allowed to speak directly to the player as that's tapping up. Clubs don't contact agents and say "Run over to Woodward and let him know that I told you we want to make a bid for your player, don't forget to give me a call later tonight to let me know what he said".

The lad is going to Madrid. Madrid will pay the money as soon as they move some players on, which they're currently struggling to do.
 
Leftback99 said:
Assuming him and Sancho are targets it's worst case scenario for us financially if Villa stay up and we don't make CL.
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it’d be cool if it was like a video game and we could just give Villa 3 or 4 of our dead wood in return, it’d be that simple.

hell I’d trade lingard, Jones, Andreas for Grealish.
 
Hawks2008 said:
That's why I think make an ighalo type signing where we bring in a guy who is a decent rotational option while not breaking the bank. Not spend a big fee on someone because of depth.

While we're worrying about what if's, what happens when Matic gets needs rest? Or we play a fast team that will expose his fading athleticism?

What happens when we persist with the unimpressive Maguire/Lindelof duo?

I think Grealish is a decent player and would raise the average quality of the squad but if we are looking at only signing 2-3 players we shouldn't be spending a good chunk of our budget on him. I dont see how Grealish or VdB or any other #8/#10 helps us close the gap on Liverpool and City more than fixing the holes in our 11.
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Bringing a Ighalo type is not a long term solution though.

Let me address your what if's.

Mattic needs a rest / play a fast team, we need to get the ball moving quicker, Fred can play that role to cover. I do feel a CDM is required.

We persist with Maguire / Lindelof - we have the 2nd best defence in the PL. I won't be upset if my unimpressive Cb pairing concedes that many.

If we bring an attacked, teams will be scared of us, go and outscore the opponent.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
Do we need Grealish as a Bruno or Rashford backup?

What's wrong with this:
DM Fred
Sancho - Pogba - Rashford
Martial

And this:

DM Pogba
Greenwood - Sancho - Rashford
Martial

Or this:

DM Pogba
Greenwood - Bruno - Sancho
Martial​

I have no issue with signing him but probably not at this stage where we need to improve other position.
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Now if someone told me that Sancho was a guarantee and we could get him at a reasonable price I would be all for it. He's clearly our top choice and we all know why we want him, but if he doesn't come, Grealish should be next in line. There are no other pure right wingers that we can currently get that are consistent enough to be United players. Signing a multifunctional player like Grealish that is a proven entity in this league is a far better signing that a Federico Chiesa who's game clearly has a lot of flaws even in Italy.
 
Mr Smith said:
Personally I think he is delusional if he reckons he's better than Rashford. You might be right that he'll think he can fight for his place and I agree that's a good thing. I'm less worried about him chucking a strop if he doesn't play enough, and more wondering out loud whether he might reconsider us as a destination on the basis that there isn't an obvious place in the team he slots straight into. Also I personally just don't think he's as good as others here do, and I think he might get a shock at how much he would need to up his game to start regularly for us.

I'll wait and see on that. His quality on the ball says otherwise for me. Greenwood is the only winger we have had since Nani that can beat players on the turn, thereby maintaining possession for the team. It's a really important skill to keep possession. In the Premier League, Grealish might actually be the best player at it. I see him as a potential Hazard light if put in the right circumstance. He has created the second most chances in the league this season at a club as creatively inept as Aston Villa. Rashford has always had the benefit of playing for United, a team always expected and that usually play on the front foot. He has only become the star that he was hyped up to be THIS season. Prior to that, he was very inconsistent. Many said the same for Bruno when he was at Sporting, stating that he would not be better than players like Martial or Rashford. Fans need to realise that not every player benefits from the types of advantages both in support and in training that those two have had. Let's be real. If Grealish had been with us since 2016, he would have clearly been in our starting xi by now.
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Raees said:
Exactly. Need their heads tested. There is no way Grealish agrees to be a sub unless guarantee that Pogba is leaving.
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That's the thing. I'm sure if he comes here, he will be joining with the belief that he can win a starting spot. He has an elite mentality, and is talented enough to do so.
Inigo Montoya said:
Don't see what the hype has been about. Apart from scoring a worldie against us, I can't think of a single moment where I've thought, " He'd be a useful addition." Don't see how he'd improve us over promoting Garner as an example.
For the price Villa would want, I'd look elsewhere for a cheaper and more athletic option.
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He's created the 2nd most chances in the league. Only behind De Bryune.

Not only is Garner extremely overrated in the sense that some think he can play for us right now, he's a completely different type of player to Grealish.
bosnian_red said:
Hes a spurs type player and that level IMO. I'd take him as a squad player but I doubt he would accept that. He's not as good as Bruno is and that would be the direct competition. Unless we replace Pogba with Grealish (not happening this summer) and push Bruno deeper.
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He's definitely better than Spurs, and there's not much in it between him and Bruno.

Hypothetically, if we had Grealish and started him with Fernandes, Grealish would be the deeper one.
 
Yesterday he delivered a monster performance. Absolute masterclass. In the second half he scared the shit out Arteta and none of Arsenals defenders could do anything to stop him. MotM by far.

Say what you will but if he can have such a game with only 31% possession then imagine him in dominant team with a possession of 60%+. He’s press resistant and strong in duels, great first touch and knows when to deliver the ball.

From my perspective he‘s one of the most creative midfielders in the league, a team player who don’t hide away from responsibilities. I see him as a creative version of Jordan Henderson. Under rated and under valued but whenever he’s not playing you notice is absence
 
Yagami said:
That's the thing. I'm sure if he comes here, he will be joining with the belief that he can win a starting spot. He has an elite mentality, and is talented enough to do so.

He's created the 2nd most chances in the league. Only behind De Bryune.

Not only is Garner extremely overrated in the sense that some think he can play for us right now, he's a completely different type of player to Grealish.

He's definitely better than Spurs, and there's not much in it between him and Bruno.

Hypothetically, if we had Grealish and started him with Fernandes, Grealish would be the deeper one.
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Well you're obviously a fan and I'm not...end of. Like I said whenever I watched him, he's been pretty useless bar one great goal at Utd. If you are saying he's Bruno standard then we've both been watching 2 very different players.

I hope the powers that be at Utd do not splash anything on him. Villa will demand in excess of £50m and that's a conservative estimate
 
7even said:
Yesterday he delivered a monster performance. Absolute masterclass. In the second half he scared the shit out Arteta and none of Arsenals defenders could do anything to stop him. MotM by far.

Say what you will but if he can have such a game with only 31% possession then imagine him in dominant team with a possession of 60%+. He’s press resistant and strong in duels, great first touch and knows when to deliver the ball.

From my perspective he‘s one of the most creative midfielders in the league, a team player who don’t hide away from responsibilities. I see him as a creative version of Jordan Henderson. Under rated and under valued but whenever he’s not playing you notice is absence
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Even if he doesnt create many chances, what makes him so good is his ability to beat the press. He doesnt have 5 star skills or anything, he is just brilliant at positioning himself slowing down and then accelerating.

The number of fouls he wins as well, he would be brilliant for us.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Well you're obviously a fan and I'm not...end of. Like I said whenever I watched him, he's been pretty useless bar one great goal at Utd. If you are saying he's Bruno standard then we've both been watching 2 very different players.

I hope the powers that be at Utd do not splash anything on him. Villa will demand in excess of £50m and that's a conservative estimate
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Yep, to each their own. When he eventually moves to a top team I think he'll end up becoming a lot better than Fernandes.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Well you're obviously a fan and I'm not...end of. Like I said whenever I watched him, he's been pretty useless bar one great goal at Utd. If you are saying he's Bruno standard then we've both been watching 2 very different players.

I hope the powers that be at Utd do not splash anything on him. Villa will demand in excess of £50m and that's a conservative estimate
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Any more than £45m plus addons and we should walk away,however anything around that and we should sign him
 
Yagami said:
That's the thing. I'm sure if he comes here, he will be joining with the belief that he can win a starting spot. He has an elite mentality, and is talented enough to do so.

He's created the 2nd most chances in the league. Only behind De Bryune.

Not only is Garner extremely overrated in the sense that some think he can play for us right now, he's a completely different type of player to Grealish.

He's definitely better than Spurs, and there's not much in it between him and Bruno.

Hypothetically, if we had Grealish and started him with Fernandes, Grealish would be the deeper one.
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Going to have to completely disagree with that one. He's not close to Bruno IMO. He's not productive enough or decisive enough. He's a very good dribbler but the bulk of his work comes in the middle 3rd of the pitch, and he's great at drawing fouls and has decent set piece delivery but he's not on the same level creatively, or from a scoring perspective. Grealish also pretty much has a completely free role at Villa. He wouldn't have that at United or any other big club. And a 2 of both Grealish and Bruno, I don't see how Grealish would play deep. Defensively he's pretty useless and he's not that hard of a worker off the ball, as well as his role on the pitch again being one with little discipline, as he's by far the most talented Villa player so they just let him roam.
 
We shouldn’t pay anymore than 40 million in my opinion, if they stay in the PL there is no chance he leaves.
 
bosnian_red said:
Going to have to completely disagree with that one. He's not close to Bruno IMO. He's not productive enough or decisive enough. He's a very good dribbler but the bulk of his work comes in the middle 3rd of the pitch, and he's great at drawing fouls and has decent set piece delivery but he's not on the same level creatively, or from a scoring perspective. Grealish also pretty much has a completely free role at Villa. He wouldn't have that at United or any other big club. And a 2 of both Grealish and Bruno, I don't see how Grealish would play deep. Defensively he's pretty useless and he's not that hard of a worker off the ball, as well as his role on the pitch again being one with little discipline, as he's by far the most talented Villa player so they just let him roam.
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Fair enough, mate, but I do think you're underrating his creativity. The fact that he's second only to De Bryune in chances created playing for a poor Villa side is a testament to his ability to create.

Prior to him being moved forwards around the beginning of the season - which was only because Villa's forwards weren't producing more than there being an issue with Jack himself - he played pretty much the entirety of last season and the beginning of this as a CM.

As a CM, he'd actually sit with the more defensive minded one (Whelan last year, Nakamba/Luiz/Hourihane at the beginning of this) in possession whilst McGinn would actually become pretty much a striker in possession. In the defensive phase it was a 3 man midfield. He was excellent in this role, and I believe he's said himself he sees the #8 role as his proper position.
 
bosnian_red said:
Going to have to completely disagree with that one. He's not close to Bruno IMO. He's not productive enough or decisive enough. He's a very good dribbler but the bulk of his work comes in the middle 3rd of the pitch, and he's great at drawing fouls and has decent set piece delivery but he's not on the same level creatively, or from a scoring perspective. Grealish also pretty much has a completely free role at Villa. He wouldn't have that at United or any other big club. And a 2 of both Grealish and Bruno, I don't see how Grealish would play deep. Defensively he's pretty useless and he's not that hard of a worker off the ball, as well as his role on the pitch again being one with little discipline, as he's by far the most talented Villa player so they just let him roam.
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I'm sure before Bruno came the same was said about him. Grealish is different, he's doing this in the toughest league in the world. When you see a player with that level of technical ability capable of consistently using it for a team that is worse than 80 percent of the division while creating that many chances, you have to open your eyes. People swoon over players like Pepe looking good in France for decent teams, having 1 or 2 good performances in the champions league. This guy does it in a league that we watch every week. VDB for example is in the week dutch league at the top team ( ajax), where it is easy for him to shine, given the weak level of competition and the teammates he has to support him. Even with all of that, he doesn't stand out in that team, Ziyech was the one that caught my eye from that team. Yet for some reason, there are people on here who would rather have a player who was possibly the fourth best player on that Ajax team with limited involvement than a guy who demonstrates chance creation and dribbling ability in the toughest league in the world week in week out. It's the reason we didnt see Mane, Van Dijk, even Mahrez. Sometimes fans in England need to open their eyes to what they have in front of them. The league has far more talent than it did 5 years ago. There are more gems here than in Spain.
 
Jack Grealish seems like a reasonable lad when it comes to his expectations on the football field. Whenever I've seen him play, he's always looked like a class act. Never moans. Does not chastise his team mates who are clearly less gifted than he is. They play some really poor passes to him at times, but he takes it in stride. He's a team player. Good buy for 50 million or so. Should command the same price as Fred, at the very least, who's not as good.
 
@bosnian_red , I think his defensive work isn't that bad either. He made 4 interceptions and 2 clearances last night.

In the championship last year as a CM, he worked his balls off, too. We all know how hard working the championship is.

He has looked lazy at times this year but I think that's down to the fact that Smith knows he's their most important player and only real game changer, so he doesn't want him wearing himself out in the defensive phase.
 
Harry190 said:
Jack Grealish seems like a reasonable lad when it comes to his expectations on the football field. Whenever I've seen him play, he's always looked like a class act. Never moans. Does not chastise his team mates who are clearly less gifted than he is. They play some really poor passes to him at times, but he takes it in stride. He's a team player. Good buy for 50 million or so. Should command the same price as Fred, at the very least, who's not as good.
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Yeah that should be the cut off price
 
Harry190 said:
Jack Grealish seems like a reasonable lad when it comes to his expectations on the football field. Whenever I've seen him play, he's always looked like a class act. Never moans. Does not chastise his team mates who are clearly less gifted than he is. They play some really poor passes to him at times, but he takes it in stride. He's a team player. Good buy for 50 million or so. Should command the same price as Fred, at the very least, who's not as good.
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A very good post mate. He's a good player that knows the league and not as expensive if you think about it.
 
tjb said:
I'm sure before Bruno came the same was said about him. Grealish is different, he's doing this in the toughest league in the world. When you see a player with that level of technical ability capable of consistently using it for a team that is worse than 80 percent of the division while creating that many chances, you have to open your eyes. People swoon over players like Pepe looking good in France for decent teams, having 1 or 2 good performances in the champions league. This guy does it in a league that we watch every week. VDB for example is in the week dutch league at the top team ( ajax), where it is easy for him to shine, given the weak level of competition and the teammates he has to support him. Even with all of that, he doesn't stand out in that team, Ziyech was the one that caught my eye from that team. Yet for some reason, there are people on here who would rather have a player who was possibly the fourth best player on that Ajax team with limited involvement than a guy who demonstrates chance creation and dribbling ability in the toughest league in the world week in week out. It's the reason we didnt see Mane, Van Dijk, even Mahrez. Sometimes fans in England need to open their eyes to what they have in front of them. The league has far more talent than it did 5 years ago. There are more gems here than in Spain.
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He's talented, I just think he's limited in terms of how far he can go. Not dynamic enough, not physical (pace or strength) enough, not productive enough and too one footed to be a key player for one of the truly top sides. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't say no, I just think his ceiling would be a squad player at clubs like City, Liverpool, United or Chelsea, considering we have Bruno and Pogba. His potential isn't at their level IMO. We'll see though!
 
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