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Jack Grealish | Man City
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Quelle surprise, caf being pedantic.
£100m Vs £70m - aka a big money signing.
They're both better on the LW.
The point was simply that as a comparison of the two we could've signed, neither have done particularly well. Nothing more.
Sancho is 21, and Grealish is 26. And one was 30m cheaper. There is an obvious difference.
He's just a foul winning merchant.
It’s not pedantic. We literally refused to pay 100m for Sancho a year ago and waited a year to get the price down. Pretending it’s similar doesn’t make sense.
What's the reference to Ronaldinho though? Did you draw that comparison or put him on that level?
Kinda sad that this bothered you enough to @ random people after months. I dont even know who you are.
Never used any hyperbole like that, nor believe in bs like "he's a crap player". I still think he is a very good player, but obviously is not playing in the same role at City, and players usually take time to adjust there. Hopefully he doesnt, because City look like winning the league anyway.
He will get much better. All of Peps signings usually do. His system is hard to master especially coming from Aston Villa.
There have been plenty of times where Mahrez, Bernardo, Rodri, Sterling all looked like foreign objects in this City system and eventually they adapted and fit in will. Next season he will be monster there.
It's not that he doesn't look as good, it's that he doesn't look better than the others
Great comparison.
He can be overrated and still be more accomplished, productive player than Grealish. Both can be right.
The thread is about £100 pound signings though.
So really you're in the wrong thread unfortunately. I'll let it go though as it's Christmas.
Yeah, winning fouls.
Edit it's not that thread so you're forgiven.
A good player who doesn't suit Pep ball at all. I'm not sure why City signed him.
Maybe Pep can coach him to be a more efficient machine like Bernardo Silva but we'll see.
Maybe Pep can coach him to be a more efficient machine like Bernardo Silva but we'll see.
Griezmann shits on Grealish in terms of productivity, consistency and what he’s achieved as a player.
No idea
I think a lot of people said this before he moved. He just isn't suited to City's game and you can see he irritates Pep by dwelling on the ball.
Grealish has played for Villa all his career. They've not exactly been playing CL football have they?
Some of you guys are hating on him because he went to City instead of us through no fault of his own. They paid the money, he had no choice.
He might be ill-suited to their style, but he is a better player than he has shown there.
He might be ill-suited to their style, but he is a better player than he has shown there.
I don’t see the comparison to any of those players personally. Silva, Rodri and Cancelo were team-oriented players when they were bought, they always worked hard and worked for others. Understanding how to apply those skills to Pep’s system is clearly difficult so while the initial criticism was fair to some extent, it was accelerated by a giddiness to laugh at the opposition. That giddiness undoubtedly applies here too but I don’t see the same base qualities that are fundamental to Pep’s midfielders.
For me he’s much more comparable to Mahrez. Selfish, indulgent, often one dimensional and always a questionable fit for that team. If he has a similar trajectory to Mahrez he’d be an absolute failure in my view. Mahrez has maybe been a modest success and he eventually integrated to a passable degree after the usual struggles, but with the investment into Grealish he’d have to deliver a lot more.
You say he’s playing left wing because mistakes get punished less there, but that’s been the case throughout his career. He’s got a huge ego and gets more joy from beating too many players than playing the right pass. I don’t see him holding onto the ball until the right moment very often myself. Pep can teach some things but he’s never been able to teach Mahrez how to do anything else. That’s not just a question about skill but the player’s identity, about willing to put the team before the individual. Bernardo Silva was always way better at that then either of them, IMO.
He’ll undoubtedly get better under Pep after the usual adjustment period and maybe they’ll play a completely different style after he leaves. But my bets are on him being a stupid purchase.
It’s interesting this high / low usage player idea is so familiar in basketball because it’s almost never discussed in footy even under a different name, as far as I can tell. But I do think it applies a lot to folks like Grealish, Ben Arfa etc
How can someone hate on someone who they didn’t want here in the first place and he’s actually playing shit at the moment.
He’s an OK player nothing more. Don’t let the low socks fool you. 26 year old generational talent.l, he will be 35 and you will still be making excuses for him.
It’s too early to pass judgment on Grealish at City (or Sancho at United for that matter). I did find the hype around Grealish to be overwrought though. People were actually having discussions about whether he was better than Neymar FFS.
City play one touch football, which is the antithesis of Grealish’s instincts. He likes to take a man on, 4 or 5 touches, before making the pass or taking the shot. Whether that instinct can be drained from his DNA remains to be seen. Brilliant player though, no doubt about it.
Didnt watch the match.
Considering how much of a "flop talk" he has gotten -
How did he do yesterday?
Considering how much of a "flop talk" he has gotten -
How did he do yesterday?
He was brilliant throughout but let's just say Leeds played into City's hands the entire game so the challenge also wasn't the biggest.
Its such a shame that he has become a very technically gifted radar in a very well-drilled team in stead of being the main man and creative brain at Villa. It was so much more fun to watch at Villa..
He was fantastic last night. More of that more often please.
He was good but still relatively quiet considering it was 7-0. KDB, Mahrez and Foden were all more instrumental. As @BrilliantOrange says, it seems a waste for him to play a tactical game. He's always pinned to the left flank.
His best quality is ball carrying in transition. City don't do a lot of transition since most teams don't really attack them. He's still a good enough passer and dribbler to still contribute, but they just don't use him to the best of his abilities. And he just doesn't stand out in that context from the sterlings, bernardo, de bruyne, etc...
Also Foden is making the leap which is kind of obscuring Graelish. They paid £100M in transfer fee alone for a worse player than their own homegrown young starlet
Also Foden is making the leap which is kind of obscuring Graelish. They paid £100M in transfer fee alone for a worse player than their own homegrown young starlet
His best quality is ball carrying in transition. City don't do a lot of transition since most teams don't really attack them. He's still a good enough passer and dribbler to still contribute, but they just don't use him to the best of his abilities. And he just doesn't stand out in that context from the sterlings, bernardo, de bruyne, etc...
Also Foden is making the leap which is kind of obscuring Graelish. They paid £100M in transfer fee alone for a worse player than their own homegrown young starlet
This is the word what I've been trying to put in the right words for a long time and hadn't so I'm really glad you've said it.
It's the thing I see that had left his game at City most because its more now being in the right place at the right time and then making the right pass rather than dribbling with the ball up and down the pitch.
Can you give me 30% of your salary next week?
As there is no difference between 70% and 100%, if you say no you are just being pedantic.
The caf being pedantic?
£100m v £70m is not remotely the same. Delusion settings that.
We have also seen it in the past, players from other leagues take a while to settle in. Sancho is 21 compare to Grealish who is 26.
There are many differentials. Grealish mainly plays LW and Sancho can play anywhere in the front line.
I love how City fans seem forced to oversell his performances as if they had to justify his fee ^^
If he was superb, what do you call Mahrez, Foden and KdB's performances? In a 7-0 win, i'm not sure this performance is that significant.
He was the best player on the pitch for the opening 20 minutes but faded thereafter a lot becoming more bit part. Feels like he's playing under the weight of his price tag at times and he still needs to be quicker on the ball. Lets the game pass him by a little.
This is the case for most players who go for £100m. Apart from Mbappe and Neymar who are doing it in the French League, no other £100m signing has been a success like that.
The fee plays a big part in it.
I don't think it's the fee itself that plays such a huge part, it's more likely that these fees were not justified in the first place. The 2017 version of Neymar is FAR better than what Grealish will ever be.
Most analysts said that what City paid for Grealish was way too high even before he started to play for City. 80M player maybe, 100M was absurd.
Yes, but that is reflected in the fee, Neymar went for £200m not £100m. Its the English tax on top which is the reason City had to pay £100m.
I feel the fee pays a big part, Griezman, Felix, Dembele, Coutinhi, Hazard have all failed to live up to the price tag.