Jaap Stam

[Drifter]

Milan to sign star defender
by Steve Murphy
Former Manchester United defender Jaap Stam is reportedly on the brink sealing a deal to join Milan from Lazio in the summer.

"The difference between demand and offer is so small, I expect the clubs will come to an agreement," Stam's agent told VI.nl.

"For me it is certain that the transfer will go through."

The Dutch international has 18 month left on his current contract and said late last year that he would see out his deal before returning to The Netherlands.

However, Lazio's financial troubles mean a major offer could well see them letting the 31-year-old move to the San Siro.

Have we ever been paid for his sale to lazio?

 

[Lil Cee]

Lazio have put Dutch defender Jaap Stam up for sale after he rejected talks over a new deal at the Stadio Olimpico.
The Biancocelesti were keen to keep the influential defender at the club and were hoping to tie him down to a new long-term deal.

Stam, who has just over 18 months to run on his current deal, has rejected the chance to extend his contract and expressed his desire to leave.

Lazio are now ready to listen to offers for the ex-Manchester United centre half as the cash-strapped Rome-based club do not want to lose the player for nothing when his contract expires.

Milan and local rivals Internazionale are believed to be leading the chase for the former PSV stopper and he is widely expected to quit Lazio in the summer.

Lazio general manager Giuseppe Matteo Masoni revealed they will now try to cash in on him rather than risk seeing him leave when his contract expires.

"The agreement with the Dutch defender will end on June 30, 2005 and therefore we won't be taken by surprise," Masoni told the club's official website.

"In the face of such a sure decision from Stam we have to evaluate the offers that Lazio are receiving for the player.

"In such a critical moment we would not do well for the club and its shareholders if we keep Stam till the end of his contract, when we would end up without the player and money that his eventual sale would bring to Lazio."

 

[MrMarcello]

Should never have sold him but the PLC had to offset some of the combined 49.5 million spent on Ruud, Veron, and Carroll that summer to satisfy major shareholders who only care about dividends.

 

[Gio]

Awesome defender.

 

[Raoul]

Should never have sold him but the PLC had to offset some of the combined 49.5 million spent on Ruud, Veron, and Carroll that summer to satisfy major shareholders who only care about dividends.

The Ruud fee came from the previous summer's budget.

 

[MrMarcello]

We know the sale was purely to satisfy large shareholders. Unless you think SAF really was that pissed about the book that he would sell United's best defender, a leader in the back four.

Still, Veron cost United 28.1 million and that was a large chunk of the profit, if not nearly all of the transfer kitty.

 

[EZee]

Awesome defender.

especially when you consider the fact that he has supposedly "lost his pace"...

wish he was still here... I dont think juninho would have had a free header 1 yard out with stam bossing the back line...

 

[lchk]

especially when you consider the fact that he has supposedly "lost his pace"...

Anyone who says that clearly hasn't watched him since he left OT

wish he was still here... I dont think juninho would have had a free header 1 yard out with stam bossing the back line...

Great physical presence and solid in the air - two traits missing from our current defence.

 

[Gazza]

Ferdinand-Silvestre is a brilliant, long-term partnership. Stam is thriving in Italy where the physical demands are not as high. Things worked out fine for both parties.

 

[Mr. Wood]

We know the sale was purely to satisfy large shareholders. Unless you think SAF really was that pissed about the book that he would sell United's best defender, a leader in the back four.

Still, Veron cost United 28.1 million and that was a large chunk of the profit, if not nearly all of the transfer kitty.

At the time, it was a relatively small price for a defender of Stam's quality. I don't think it was financial.

He said a few things in that book that I'm sure set Fergie off his rocker.

 

[devilish]

Millions spent in the defense, several players brought to solve this problem and yet we has yet to find someone who can add the steel and the solidity that Stam used to give to us. Watching our defense struggle whenever SAF decides to play with 2 forwards up front really fills me with sadness especially when knowing that with Stam our defense would have never had to deal with such problems

It was obvious from day 1 that neither Blanc (too old) nor Wes were or will ever be at Stam’s levels. Stam is a world class article, one of the best defenders that we ever had. The irony is that while we are struggling to find any solidity at the back, Stam describe by many here as “finished” is playing the best football of his life and is considered as one of the best 3 defenders in the Serie A.

 

[devilish]

Ferdinand-Silvestre is a brilliant, long-term partnership. Stam is thriving in Italy where the physical demands are not as high. Things worked out fine for both parties.

Ahh because Rio and Ferdinand are physically superior than Jaap Stam right?

 

[Murt]

Stam describe by many here as “finished” is playing the best football of his life and is considered as one of the best 3 defenders in the Serie A.

Says it all really, our reject being one of the top payers over there.
Stam was a camel in his final months with us and the Rio & Silvestre partnership is as good or better as anything he was involved in.

 

[devilish]

Says it all really, our reject being one of the top payers over there.
Stam was a camel in his final months with us and the Rio & Silvestre partnership is as good or better as anything he was involved in.

Stam was out of form due to the fact that he had just came out from an injury. He didn’t played well even with Lazio for the first 2 months, but that doesn’t mean that he was finished. God if we hang players for being out of form prone to an injury that we would have OT filled with corpses by now, Wes, head of that list.

No I don’t think that Silvestre and Rio are as good as Stam. Their record is impressive yes but its also due to the fact that we had switched to a more defensive system. I mean its easier to keep clean sheets when you have a Keano and a Philip nev winning the ball in front of the defense isn’t it?

The fact that we are still searching for a strong defender who would add the steel needed to our defender show that we have yet to find Stam’s successor. In my opinion SAF had done very few mistakes in his career but selling Jaap was one of them

And dont come out with the idiocy that the EPL is better than the Serie A because our "Reject" did well there. There had been many Serie A rejects coming to the EPL (Ravanelli, Henry,Di Canio, Carbone, Zola, Blomqvist) who did very well here. Cant say the same about EPL "legends" like Rush and Gazza though

 

[Wibble]

Ferdinand-Silvestre is a brilliant, long-term partnership. Stam is thriving in Italy where the physical demands are not as high. Things worked out fine for both parties.

Sorry mate but that is too rational.

I am convinced that Lazio's right back wouldn't be able to cope with the pace of the PL, just as he couldn't just before he was sold.

 

[Murt]

Stam was out of form due to the fact that he had just came out from an injury. He didn’t played well even with Lazio for the first 2 months, but that doesn’t mean that he was finished. God if we hang players for being out of form prone to an injury that we would have OT filled with corpses by now, Wes, head of that list.

No I don’t think that Silvestre and Rio are as good as Stam. Their record is impressive yes but its also due to the fact that we had switched to a more defensive system. I mean its easier to keep clean sheets when you have a Keano and a Philip nev winning the ball in front of the defense isn’t it?

The fact that we are still searching for a strong defender who would add the steel needed to our defender show that we have yet to find Stam’s successor. In my opinion SAF had done very few mistakes in his career but selling Jaap was one of them

And dont come out with the idiocy that the EPL is better than the Serie A because our "Reject" did well there. There had been many Serie A rejects coming to the EPL (Ravanelli, Henry,Di Canio, Carbone, Zola, Blomqvist) who did very well here. Cant say the same about EPL "legends" like Rush and Gazza though

Well your the one with the coaching badges so i guess your right.
Terrible mistake it was to sell Stam for 15 million, Lazio will be laughing at us now see as they'll probably get twice that seeing as hes so improved these days.

 

[devilish]

Well your the one with the coaching badges so i guess your right.
Terrible mistake it was to sell Stam for 15 million, Lazio will be laughing at us now see as they'll probably get twice that seeing as hes so improved these days.

You wont get 15m out of a 31 year old defender you nutter.

Stam permitted Lazio to sell Nesta (the transfer which saved Lazio’s arse) and Pancaro. Despite selling these two great defenders (+ a couple of other players), Lazio’s defense (thanks to Stam’s leadership) remained competitive enough to earn a CL place, when everyone was sure that Lazio would break into pieces.

The money that came from the CL and from a Serie A 4th place had permitted Lazio to earn the right money to keep several of their players and not end into another Leeds United. Even now Lazio, despite being orphaned by Dejan Stankovic seems to be competitive enough to earn at least a UEFA place, and many critics sees Lazio’s success due to its defense, a defense lead by Jaap Stam.

If Lazio sells Stam for 6m then its well worth considering the facts mentioned above.

 

[Murt]

You wont get 15m out of a 31 year old defender you nutter.
Stam permitted Lazio to sell Nesta (the transfer which saved Lazio’s arse) and Pancaro. Despite selling these two great defenders (+ a couple of other players), Lazio’s defense (thanks to Stam’s leadership) remained competitive enough to earn a CL place, when everyone was sure that Lazio would break into pieces.
The money that came from the CL and from a Serie A 4th place had permitted Lazio to earn the right money to keep several of their players and not end into another Leeds United. Even now Lazio, despite being orphaned by Dejan Stankovic seems to be competitive enough to earn at least a UEFA place, and many critics sees Lazio’s success due to its defense, a defense lead by Jaap Stam.
If Lazio sells Stam for 6m then its well worth considering the facts mentioned above.

So your telling me that spending 15 mill on Stam allowed them to sell Nesta (whos a far better player) for a similar sum.
Now i dont have coaching badges or latin blood but as far as i can see they would have been better off never buying Stam and keeping Nesta.

As for Utd we got 15 million for a player who will go for perhaps a 1/3 of that now. He was too slow for the premiership and was caught on a drug screening. I still dont have coaching badges but as far as i can see it was a great piece of business by Fergie.

 

[devilish]

So your telling me that spending 15 mill on Stam allowed them to sell Nesta (whos a far better player) for a similar sum.
Now i dont have coaching badges or latin blood but as far as i can see they would have been better off never buying Stam and keeping Nesta.

As for Utd we got 15 million for a player who will go for perhaps a 1/3 of that now. He was too slow for the premiership and was caught on a drug screening. I still dont have coaching badges but as far as i can see it was a great piece of business by Fergie.

a) Nesta didn’t want to remain with Lazio as simple as that. Stam took his role and did a perfect job in succeeded what I describe as the best defender in today’s football.

B) We sold Stam to bring in a defender that was slower than him (Blanc), a move that weakened our defense in such a way that made it impossible for us to win the league. Pace is important in the EPL, yet

a) Stam never relied on pace (same like Adams, Bruce, Southgate and Hopla)
b) Today’s Stam is as pacey as the same Stam who lead us to the treble glory

C) Stam’s drugs “scandal” started and ended at Italy. SAF himself said that he ordered several dope tests on Jaap and he was never fount positive to anything. Now ask something to you, is SAF a liar?

D) In the past we have signed many flops (Veron for example) for outrageous sums of money. In other topics you said that money should not be mentioned for clubs like Manchester United so I don’t know why you keep on mentioning the money when we are talking about one of the best defenders in our clubs history, a defender who despite the fact that we had spent millions to find his successor, we still have yet to find his successor.

BTW Murt would you sell a 29 year old Keane or a 29 year old RVN for 15m? I wont. Stam was as vital for our backline as much as Keane is to our midfield and RVN is to our attack and you wont sell important columns inside a successful team unless you are a selling team.

 

[Murt]

BTW Murt would you sell a 29 year old Keane or a 29 year old RVN for 15m? I wont. Stam was as vital for our backline as much as Keane is to our midfield and RVN is to our attack and you wont sell important columns inside a successful team unless you are a selling team.

No, because they're still very good players. With Keane we wouldnt get value for money so it would be stupid to sell him as hes still so important to us.
Ruud is also vital to us and looks like hell still be at top form for the foreseable future so why would we sell him.
Stam was different, crap for the 2nd half of his final full season, a shambles at the start of the next. We got 15 million for him and were all happy. The longer we would have kept him the less we would have got for him.
I still dont get your point about Stam saving Lazio by allowing the to sell Nesta, had they not wasted their money on stam in the first place he wouldnt have needed to be sold. He wanted to go as they were going nowhere, had the inested their money a little wiser that wouldnt have been a problem.

 

[devilish]

No, because they're still very good players. With Keane we wouldnt get value for money so it would be stupid to sell him as hes still so important to us.
Ruud is also vital to us and looks like hell still be at top form for the foreseable future so why would we sell him.
Stam was different, crap for the 2nd half of his final full season, a shambles at the start of the next. We got 15 million for him and were all happy. The longer we would have kept him the less we would have got for him.
I still dont get your point about Stam saving Lazio by allowing the to sell Nesta, had they not wasted their money on stam in the first place he wouldnt have needed to be sold. He wanted to go as they were going nowhere, had the inested their money a little wiser that wouldnt have been a problem.

A) First of all I said a 29 years old Keane and RVN and both (in my opinion) were or would (in RVN case) be rated 15m

B) Ive explained to you that Stam was crap because he was out of form prior to an injury that he had suffered. He took that poor form to Italy were for the first 2 – 3months he was utilized as a right back so that he could regain his form. Once that he regained his form he was flirted to the heart of the defense, were he (and still do) a brilliant job (enough to attract Juventus, Inter, Real and Milan)

C) Lazio’s crisis was similar to Parma’s one for a simple fact that it wasn’t Lazio which had gone bust but the “mother” company which was Cirio. Like the Parma’s story it took Lazio by surprise in a way that today they were title contenders tomorrow they were in deep shite. They wouldn’t have signed Stam if they knew that Cirio was in such deep shite.

 

[Nialler]

Wasn't there a balance of £10m or so still owing to Utd from Lazio on the Stam transfer ? Not sure if this has been paid yet. If not hope Utd get the money from the transfer to Milan.

 

[Murt]

A) First of all I said a 29 years old Keane and RVN and both (in my opinion) were or would (in RVN case) be rated 15m

B) Ive explained to you that Stam was crap because he was out of form prior to an injury that he had suffered. He took that poor form to Italy were for the first 2 – 3months he was utilized as a right back so that he could regain his form. Once that he regained his form he was flirted to the heart of the defense, were he (and still do) a brilliant job (enough to attract Juventus, Inter, Real and Milan)

C) Lazio’s crisis was similar to Parma’s one for a simple fact that it wasn’t Lazio which had gone bust but the “mother” company which was Cirio. Like the Parma’s story it took Lazio by surprise in a way that today they were title contenders tomorrow they were in deep shite. They wouldn’t have signed Stam if they knew that Cirio was in such deep shite.

a) Ruud and Keane at 29 were/are still great players with plenty more goo yrs in them, unlike Stam.

b) He was crap since his operation, too slow and no longer suited to the premiership. 15 million was a great deal, he would have been worth ½ that a few months later, not to mention prices falling soon after.

c) Even if they had money to burn, they could have done a whole lot better than Stam.

Maybe if i had coaching badges id see it your way but unfortunately i dont.

 

[devilish]

Wasn't there a balance of £10m or so still owing to Utd from Lazio on the Stam transfer ? Not sure if this has been paid yet. If not hope Utd get the money from the transfer to Milan.

If I remember well Manchester United had settled down for a yearly down payment of 1m or 2m per year. If that is true, Lazio have the right to sell Stam without giving Manchester United a penny out of that deal as long as they honor the deal mentioned above.

 

[devilish]

a) Ruud and Keane at 29 were/are still great players with plenty more goo yrs in them, unlike Stam.

b) He was crap since his operation, too slow and no longer suited to the premiership. 15 million was a great deal, he would have been worth ½ that a few months later, not to mention prices falling soon after.

c) Even if they had money to burn, they could have done a whole lot better than Stam.

Maybe if i had coaching badges id see it your way but unfortunately i dont.

A) Even now at 31 years Stam is considered as one of the best defenders in the world and in my opinion a better defender than our current crop.

B) As I explained to you in previous posts Stam is as fast now as he was during the treble. The defenders in the EPL (Hopla, Keown, Terry, Southgate) aren’t lightening fast (therefore Stam would have survived IF he was slower than he used to be) + I don’t think that Inter, Milan and Juventus would want a crocked defender right?

C) Perhaps they should have signed Brown or Blanc instead right?

D) Why you keep on mentioning my coaching badges when I haven’t mentioned them? Are you obsessed about them or is it due to the simple fact that youre losing the argument?

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Stam was sold two and a half years ago.

Since then, we've continued to be successful.

 

[devilish]

Stam was sold two and a half years ago.

Since then, we've continued to be successful.

A) Finished third after witnessing the Manchester United worst defense in a decade

B) Spent 30m on Rio

C) Won the league much due to the fact that Arsenal foolishly dropped several points + got humiliated by Real Madrid in CL much due to several defensive errors

D) And two years and a half after we sold Stam we still have defensive problems and we are still searching for a tough tackler who can close the gaps.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

A) Finished third after witnessing the Manchester United worst defense in a decade

B) Spent 30m on Rio

C) Won the league much due to the fact that Arsenal foolishly dropped several points + got humiliated by Real Madrid in CL much due to several defensive errors

D) And two years and a half after we sold Stam we still have defensive problems and we are still searching for a tough tackler who can close the gaps.

Stam's gone - get over it

 

[devilish]

Stam's gone - get over it

I had gone over it, but its about time that we accept that it was a mistake selling Stam and that Jaap is far from finished

This man had given his heart and his soul for our cause, he was crucial during the treble and I think that he deserves the respect that he is entitled to. One mistake (the diary) shouldnt stip him from being considered as a Manchester United legend. SAF is a great manager but he was wrong in kicking Stam's arse and the fact that Stam is signing now with a team which is currently stronger than us (and has a brighter history) clearly shows that

 

[kkcbl]

1. The selling of Stam had nothing to do with his 'loss of pace' - we got Blanc in as a desperate replacement & I can bet anyone here that Stam will always beat Blanc in a sprint!

He had just got back from a long term injury at the end of the previous season & was not allowed to prove himself as he was sold, 'coincidentally' just after his book came out, & only weeks into the new season.

2. The fact that he has been one of the outstanding defenders in Serie A & that defending Euro Champs AC Milan wants hin for next season confirms that he wasn't over the hill when sold - it's pure arrogance to state that the EPL is much better than Serie A!

Also, he's still a regular fixture in the Dutch team so it's only Fergie who thinks he was 'shit' ( if his performances on field was the reason he was sold! )

3. We sold him for a mere £15 mil at a time when the going rate for a class defender was £20 mil ( see the transfers of Rio from West Ham to Leeds & Thuram's transfer from Parma to Juve ) not because we wanted Blanc as a replacement as part of a grand design but because we couldn't get a decent replacement before the Euro Deadline & Blanc only came into the picture once Stam was sold & just before the deadline!

ps - anyone know whether we got the balance £10-12 mil still owed by Lazio?

 

[devilish]

1. The selling of Stam had nothing to do with his 'loss of pace' - we got Blanc in as a desperate replacement & I can bet anyone here that Stam will always beat Blanc in a sprint!

He had just got back from a long term injury at the end of the previous season & was not allowed to prove himself as he was sold, 'coincidentally' just after his book came out, & only weeks into the new season.

2. The fact that he has been one of the outstanding defenders in Serie A & that defending Euro Champs AC Milan wants hin for next season confirms that he wasn't over the hill when sold - it's pure arrogance to state that the EPL is much better than Serie A!

Also, he's still a regular fixture in the Dutch team so it's only Fergie who thinks he was 'shit' ( if his performances on field was the reason he was sold! )

3. We sold him for a mere £15 mil at a time when the going rate for a class defender was £20 mil ( see the transfers of Rio from West Ham to Leeds & Thuram's transfer from Parma to Juve ) not because we wanted Blanc as a replacement as part of a grand design but because we couldn't get a decent replacement before the Euro Deadline & Blanc only came into the picture once Stam was sold & just before the deadline!

ps - anyone know whether we got the balance £10-12 mil still owed by Lazio?

Finally someone who is not

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

I had gone over it, but its about time that we accept that it was a mistake selling Stam and that Jaap is far from finished

You bang on about almost every day - so you obviously haven't got over it!

I accept it was a good deal, and don't think it was a mistake to sell him.

 

[devilish]

You bang on about almost every day - so you obviously haven't got over it!

I accept it was a good deal, and don't think it was a mistake to sell him.

Tell me what I said about Stam yesterday, or the day before.

And yes we dont need Stam anymore! Expecailly after seeing our recent defensive stats (only 8 goals in 3 games right?)

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Tell me what I said about Stam yesterday, or the day before.

And yes we dont need Stam anymore! Expecailly after seeing our recent defensive stats (only 8 goals in 3 games right?)

We conceded 9 in 3 games in 1999, with Stam in the team

 

[devilish]

We conceded 9 in 3 games in 1999, with Stam in the team

We conceded 9 goals in 3 games with an OUT OF FORM Stam in the defense.

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

We conceded 9 goals in 3 games with an OUT OF FORM Stam in the defense.

How come he was out of form?

 

[devilish]

How come he was out of form?

read the previous posts

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

read the previous posts

There is nothing in the previous posts that explains why Stam was out of form for the three matches between 25th September 1999 and 3rd October 1999

 

[devilish]

There is nothing in the previous posts that explains why Stam was out of form for the three matches between 25th September 1999 and 3rd October 1999

Read again

 

[An Extremely Boring Man]

Read again

The only place YOU refer to him being out of form, was when he was sold. In 2001. Are you saying he was out of form from the beginning of the 1999/00 season to the beginning of the 2001/02 season?