What was he betting on specifically? I think it's different if he's backing himself to score rather than get booked, for example.
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Pretty much everything, given the number of bets.
I see what you did there. He did wrong, but evens so he deserves to be at the World Cup, surely? Definitely an odds situation he finds himself in.
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What's stunning to me is the period of several years. I'm assuming the FA got word of it and managed to track those 232 breaches only recently - which leads me to the assumption this Ivan guy must have felt quite secure doing his thing for years.
The mentioned FA rule E.8 however covers more than placing bets yourself; does anyone have information that he's filed under E.8.1 for having placed bets himself?
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The mentioned FA rule E.8 however covers more than placing bets yourself; does anyone have information that he's filed under E.8.1 for having placed bets himself?
Finally, here is a link to an extract of the FA Handbook : Click
Gamble unresponsbly.
Interesting to know what exactly happened in 2017 that turned him into this evil-doer.
People should note that he was in the lower leagues for all of that time. Not that that excuses him but he wasn't rich.
Gambling isn't about being rich or poor & funnily it's not actually about the money most of the time.
This along with the times he's been in the press for slagging off Brentford just shows that at best, he's got awful judgement, and while he's a very good player, we should probably be steering clear.
You bet!
It’s a bet a week roughly, that’s a dabble. If the figures aren’t eye watering and it’s not on his team then it’s nothing major at all.
It's pretty major considering he shouldn't have been doing it!!
He was only 20/21 in 2017. So that's just probably when he first got into it as the legal gambling age is 18
He shouldn’t no, and that’s not disputed. That doesn’t make it major, though. I’ll cross a road where there’s no traffic lights, I shouldn’t, but that’s nothing major either.
Context is the key and as of yet we haven’t got any.
The final straw was when he bet against himself being called up to the World Cup squad.
When he knows the rules of betting as a professional footballer 232 bets or referrals to bets is massive and will incur a good healthy length ban from the game.
That's essentially a bet a week, over a four year stretch. Which is quite a lot considering he shouldn't have been doing it in the first place.
A case of 232nd time unlucky for poor Ivan it seems 
Not really if it doesn’t involve his team. If it doesn’t I’d be amazed if he got as long as Trippier, which is far from a long ban
Trippier didn't actually place any bets. He gave info about his own transfer to a friend.
There was a recent lower league player who made about 300 bets over the past 5 years (so similar to Toney), he got a 4 month ban from the FA last month.
Barton got 18 months so should be something similar. Sturbridge got 6 weeks for 1 bet if I remember correctly.
He should have just bet through family members as everybody else does
He should have just bet through family members as everybody else does
232 breaches of rules is damning. Wont get a lifetime ban though. 10-15 games at most i reckon
It's ridiculous that players can't bet on things that have nothing to do with them, if they were just weekly accums or something he should get very little time.
I don’t think it matters if it involves his team. Players have got mates around all kinds of clubs from Premier League to League 2 probably, even abroad.
With the things you can bet on in football, what’s stopping two footballers from completely different leagues saying to each other “Hey, bet on me to get the first yellow, I’ll do the same with you and we’ll make some money”?
In Toney’s case, he probably has to prove he wasn’t talking to anyone when he was making these bets.
With the things you can bet on in football, what’s stopping two footballers from completely different leagues saying to each other “Hey, bet on me to get the first yellow, I’ll do the same with you and we’ll make some money”?
In Toney’s case, he probably has to prove he wasn’t talking to anyone when he was making these bets.
Im sure there are more pressing issues the FA could be concentrating on.
The legend that is Jim Rohn once said " dont major in minor things "
The legend that is Jim Rohn once said " dont major in minor things "
Could be looking at a year-long ban, possibly more. Should put any transfer notions to rest.
Barton's ban was very long because it involved matches he was playing in.
Toney will get a few months, the FA gave 4 months to a player who bet 300 times (like Toney, not on games he was playing in) just a few weeks ago.
I think he'll be looking at a good few months for this, possibly 3/4 months. May get back before the end of the season.
We'll have to wait and see but I'd imagine the FA won't look to fondly on another high profile English player involved in betting and so will look to make a bit of an example out of him.
What isn’t he allowed to bet on exactly? Games he’s involved in obviously. Then games in his own league? Country?
Yeah but they might be a bit softer at the bottom of the pyramid because it’s their livelihood at stake.
Every other example higher up in the leagues doesn’t paint a pretty picture for Toney
Better legal team for a player at the top though!
I agree with you though, not looking for Toney.
World cup coming up and no idea where to put your money?
Bettor Call Toney.
Bettor Call Toney.
Integrity?
I think a ban would be fair if his work uniform didn’t have the word ‘bets’ on it. If they’re going to enforce rules like this no club should be sponsored by a betting company.
What a pity. He's worth a cheeky punt.
Why not?
Footballers are not banned from betting on football because of any sort of moral judgement. It's to avoid possible conflicts of interest or match fixing.
They can bet on anything else apart from football.
Everything football related
This place really know how to pick them. Hope for his sake they dont smash a book on him and he learns from it.