That would be one heck of a January signing. What are the chances Brentford give him up then? Can't imagine them doing so unless they get a hefty sum and it is agreed early so they can bring in a potential replacement.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) look forward to a new life under Ruben Amorim. What system will we be playing? What players will impress? and how will it all go? We also say goodbye to Ruud Van Nistelrooy and review United's 3-0 win at home against Leicester City.
Brentford are a selling club. Their entire business model is based around selling players at peak value and buying undervalued players. He won't come cheap, obviously, but they'll be reasonable.
I liked his words about Martinez after the game, when everybody was slating Martinez. Thought it was good if him to almost defend a fellow footballer, even if he was playing for the opposition.
I agree with the rest though, looks a good player to be. Him, Osimhen or Nkunku depending on what we want.
I agree with the rest though, looks a good player to be. Him, Osimhen or Nkunku depending on what we want.
Some of his passes reminds me of the stuff Kane pulls through from deep mixed in with Drogba.
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Would Utd have the budget for a £40M-£50M signing in January after spending so much in the summer?
That’s kind of the price for an average player like Van De Beek for us - so I don’t see it as an issue.
Good player, but more of a second choice striker in my opinion.
If he was Ivan Tonèy from the Dordogne I'd be interested
I'm sure they will sell but I just imagine that the off season is when they would have preferred. What do you think the risk is of them dropping out the league simply for losing Toney?
Good post.
Personally The only reason I'd lean towards Toney at this stage of our development is he would score loads. Whilst bringing out more for those around him. And would be ready now.
But long term, there is no doubt Osimhen is going to be a top 5 elite striker in this generation. Plus he is a genuine goal machine. Plus in the hands of an ETH, he can become as well rounded a forward as an Andy Cole became under Fergie.
Yes. We’re Man United. We do what we want.
It wasn't the price in isolation, it was spending that amount after a £215M spend in the summer, which by all accounts was more than they wanted to spend initially. Fair do's if they do, that would be sanctioning a spend worth £260M in a season.
I have always appreciated power forwards, the ones who are physically tough to handle for defenders. How he fits with ten Hag and all that we will see, but I like his attitude as well. You can't have enough tough-minded players on a side so this guy would make us better. Also as the possession improves he would become more and more valuable.
One strike against him is he's a Liverpool fan though. Disgusting. If we sign him maybe send him to rehab or something for that.
One strike against him is he's a Liverpool fan though. Disgusting. If we sign him maybe send him to rehab or something for that.
So was Ole, it's not the worst trait for a United striker
No doubt ?
Osimhen is someone I don’t rate much from the little I’ve seen.
He seems like a bit of the ‘beating offside trap striker’ and he is hardly exactly killing it in the Serie A - especially when you look at how ex Pl players like Abraham are doing there.
He seems like a bit of the ‘beating offside trap striker’ and he is hardly exactly killing it in the Serie A - especially when you look at how ex Pl players like Abraham are doing there.
So was Ole. That should be least of the worries.
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You are right in your assertion. I don’t know why he is so highly rated on here. Physical, works hard but isn’t clinical, injury prone and very average technically. I rate Abraham higher than him.
Wow. This one takes the cake. He isn’t a young prodigy. He is going to be 24 in few months and as things stand, he isn’t even the top 5 strikers in serie A. Lautaro, lukaku, Immobile, Abraham, Vlahovic are all better than him.
Genuine goal machine ?
. The guy has never been a dependable goal scorer forget about genuine goal machine. His last four seasons in the league are 12, 13, 10, 14 in terms of goals. 26 goals out of 56 league matches for Napoli. Yeah, genuine goal machine alright.
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I insist.
Of course you would.I stopped reading at Immobile
Because you have no idea who is scoring how many goals. If you think immobile is shit then what does it make of Osimhen ? Your outlandish claim of him being a genuine goal scoring machine is a blatant lie and has no legs so indeed you would refrain from not commenting on it further and look to deviate. 
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We will have placed a value on him and if anyone meets that value he will go - it is how we operate. The winter transfer window is always a sellers market but even so there’s no chance he goes for £40m or below now or in the summer. If that useless bore Southgate actually does the right thing and caps him and he continues his form we are talking £50m plus easily.
He definitely has the right attitude and self belief to succeed on the biggest stage so I wouldn’t be worried about that. Just look at his penalties and penalty record - ice in his veins.
He definitely has the right attitude and self belief to succeed on the biggest stage so I wouldn’t be worried about that. Just look at his penalties and penalty record - ice in his veins.
Indeed - we’re nowhere special…
I'd love to know what you smoke to be so certain like that
I don’t think he’d be a bad signing but isn’t he another one who likes to post shite on his socials? Was he not bad mouthing Brentford not too long ago?
Do we want another player like that again? I would only be amplified by the media should he come to United.
Do we want another player like that again? I would only be amplified by the media should he come to United.
I stopped reading at Immobile
Why exactly? I just want to know what’s bad with him.
Isn’t he getting like around 35 season goals?
Do you think he would suit the 9 spot at United or do you see somewhere else being a better fit?
What his speed like ? Is he quick ? I know he’s strong and his hold up play is fantastic but have no idea how fast he is.
He’s clueless. He laughs at immobile who’s literally a goal scoring machine in serie a no matter what anyone thinks of him. But Osimhen who hasn’t even scored 15 goals in the league is by his metrics a goal scoring machine.
Wow. This one takes the cake. He isn’t a young prodigy. He is going to be 24 in few months and as things stand, he isn’t even the top 5 strikers in serie A. Lautaro, lukaku, Immobile, Abraham, Vlahovic are all better than him.
Genuine goal machine ?
If you're actually trying to assess his goalscoring ability properly them npG/min is the correct measure, not total goals or goals per appearance. Because obviously someone who fractured his cheekbone, had covid twice and doesn't take penalties won't have had the opportunity others had to rack up the total goal tally. That doesn't change the rate at which he scores goals in open play though.
Serie A seasons by that measure, with Osimhen's best season and the seasons equal or better to it in bold.
Osimhen: 0.57, 0.64
Lukaku: 0.51, 0.56
Tammy: 0.41
Lautaro: 0.33, 0.44, 0.53, 0.71
Immobile: 0.49, 0.74, 0.35, 0.62, 0.51, 0.66,
Vlahovic: 0.30, 0.46, 0.58, 0.59
So of the 17 combined seasons I looked at from the strikers you mentioned, not counting Immobile's seasons in Serie A before his return to Lazio, only 3 saw returns at the same or better rate than the best of Osimhen's two seasons so far and only 6 saw returns at the same or better rate than his other season.
When you then take into account the fact that his returns are backed by consistently strong underlying stats (93rd and 91st percentile for NPxG) and he's still only 23 years old then @Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber's claims about his goalscoring hold water.
Of that list I'd take only Lautaro over him tbh. Tammy is good and there is very little between them, Tammy with better footwork and dribbling, but Osimhen with the greater physical presence, pace and power, similar link up play. Neither are elite marksmen. Vlahovic is slower and loses balance when up against a bigger defender.
Lukaku and Immobile have better goalscoring records but Osimhen brings a lot more to the table than either of them.
Having said all that I really like Toney. He is looking brilliant atm
Why are we even discussing buying him at those prices? He’s Brentford’s best player and they probably will find it tough to stay in the league without him. We’ve just paid £84m for Antony who is not nearly as proven as Toney. I don’t imagine Toney being much cheaper than £80m.
Osimhen is a player people keep trying to convince me is a good one, but I just don't see it.
Toney >
Toney >
Immobile looks like one of those strikers who would only do well in Italy, bit like Belotti. Or the guy Fergie was reportedly interested in. Nothing wrong with that, but it's probably why they aren't in demand for 100m or even 80m.
He isn't massively quick but he is no slouch either I guess would be the best way to describe him
You clearly out of your mind if you actually believe that I laughed at Immobile yet I was actually laughing at you. You clearly haven't a clue about Serie A strikers as the entire first paragraph of your last reply showed. If you DID you'd know the numbers show his development is already ahead of Immobile's at his age, for starters......
But why should bother given the rubbish in your LAST reply to me. l'm not surprised at all that's literally the best straw man you could think up, that its Immobile I don'i rate. Rather than your opinion on the top 5 striker in the league he plays in let alone on Osimhen
kudos for putting that together with more efficiency and patience than I ever could
There is little wrong with Immobile. All my laughing is aimed at the ignorance of the one who posted about him
Wrong. I stopped reading at your mention of Immobile to laugh at the nonsense you had just posted. In fact I'm still laughingOf course you would.
I actually think Immobile a fine player. A prolific one. A term I consider higher than goal machine. I rate Osimhen too. The ONLY thing I consider shit is the rubbish you posted as a reply.
Your claim of him being a genuine goal scoring machine is a blatant lie and has no legs so indeed you would refrain from not commenting on it further and look to deviate.
I have no desire to deviate from the fact I consider you ignorant on matters concerning Serie A strikers