Sounds like a better way to view things than Ramshock's "stay silent because Jose" approach.
Ivan Perisic
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Sounds like a better way to view things than Ramshock's "stay silent because Jose" approach.
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Equally valid point. This all has to be clarified anyway..he may not be coming here and could be Chelsea bound.
I back Jose. But I know Jose makes mistakes, most of which are to do with judging attacking players.
I also don't back Perisic as being a successful transfer for us. I'd happily be proven wrong on it, and I'd actually hope to be proven wrong. But I'm fully within my right to think he's not that good after watching him play. It doesn't mean I'll support him any less when he joins, it just means I worry for his career with us and our dependency on him to provide on the left flank.
You mean my "out of the box" look at his track record point of view? Totally feckin nutso kid I admit.
Oh if he does come and plays well you will be well notified on here no worries.
Some people on here need to get a grip. Mourinho knows what he's doing. He's building a war machine and Perisic fits his criteria. Strong, committed and capable of taking opponents on. If we do get him he'll be very useful for us and capable of withstanding the rigours of a tough campaign. B Silva looks like a decent player but he was always more of a Guardiola signing. It'll be interesting to see how he copes with the physicality of the Premiership. Mourinho is a pragmatist and is looking for players who'll not only cope but thrive during the Premiership season. If we're in for him it's because Mourinho believes he'll improve the squad and deliver. That's good enough for me. The fee frankly isn't an issue - we'll only pay what we consider he's worth and whatever it is we're a club living within our means.
Some of us who were new to the thread were hoping to discuss the pros and cons of the player until Ramshock turned up on a self righteous mission to put us all in our place. It didn't work, because no one actually gives a shit what he has to say. So here's a @Ramshock approved post;
"Ivan Perisic is a player that we are reportedly interested in signing. I for one have no thoughts on the matter. Later on I am attending a medical scan. I am making sure to express no thoughts of any kind on the matter, or on any matter whatsoever. Then I shall drink some tepid water, eat some bread and watch an episode of Downton Abbey."
Now people are theorising that Jose might use him as a left wingback, which obviously cannot be allowed to continue either because we won't know until he signs. But then we shouldn't talk him signing either since he hasn't done it yet. So we should probably just say nothing until he signs, if he does, which we shouldn't speculate on because he hasn't.
If we sign perisic then I am personally hoping for Lukaku in a big way... Could be a good combo. As would Belotti but in a less proven and almost as expensive way.
I don't see much success if lukaku played up top with mhikitaryan and martial either side. See a bit more if we had perisic and darmian as a defensive left back, valencia giving width on the right.
I don't see much success if lukaku played up top with mhikitaryan and martial either side. See a bit more if we had perisic and darmian as a defensive left back, valencia giving width on the right.
Yes, I said that since the news emerged but obviously Croatia plays much fewer games. He's our 2nd most important player after Modric of course.
He should be more consistent but with better surrounding, better manager and better player he could really shine imo.
It's a Croatian player so I'm ecstatic finally our player could play for United but in the same time careful. I'm well aware about his shortcomings.
Let's take this to his thread.
Fair enough, I know we disagree but I respect the fact you have given a reasoned and civil response, much appreciated. I don't know about you but I think if he signs then we'll definitely end up with a 4-2-3-1, he doesn't score enough to enhance a front 3 and would make more sense in the other system to keep width and make space for Pogba's runs and allow us to have a #9 and SS to be the goal providers.
Jose has a type thats tried and tested. Ivan seems like that type to me.
Which game was it, the Ajax one against 10 men not allowed to buy themselves a drink in USA?
I've got no problem with that.
Yeah you dont like things rationally pointed out to you. I bet you are the vindictive, spiteful loner type.
No the other team in a major tournament final?
In all honesty the left back talk is pointless. The only "evidence" is the fact he's not a flair winger. We would not buy a player for €40m who has never played in defence and move him to full back at 28. That would not be smart, for a number of reasons. The player would not be suited to that, the manager does not like two attack based full backs. Rather he prefers one strong and fast full back for attacking duties, Valencia, and one defensive minded player.
A winger tracking back from the wing does not make them suited to a full back position. A winger would need to be incredibly positionally disciplined to make the move backwards. You generally see movement on the sides more often with young full backs who lack the positional discipline moving forward.
A winger tracking back from the wing does not make them suited to a full back position. A winger would need to be incredibly positionally disciplined to make the move backwards. You generally see movement on the sides more often with young full backs who lack the positional discipline moving forward.
Glad to hear it.
I dont see him at LB either.
Much appreciated for a nice talk from my side too.
Yeah, thinking the same, 4-2-3-1,.he Will provide width and hang on the line , occasionally tucking in ( not so much as Martial tho). Allowing more space to Pogba and Grieznann to work and shine. As you said yourself.
He's ideal for a quick counter too, has a good acceleration and can score from a quick counter without FB having a chance. He likes to take people on, sometimes too much but his of the ball work is quite good too.
My first post;
Your first response;
Does that look rational to you? And as for your assumption on my character; well you would know better than I do.
No but subsequent responses were. Getting yourself worked up over a player we may or may not get. Calm down ffs
If we buy him, I see him fitting in as a left winger keeping close to the touchline and creating the width on the left. The full back behind him being a defensively minded player with the option to come in more central on attacks. On the right, we might have an inside forward with Valencia creating the width.
I don't think anyone actually said left back though. Many people are suggesting he could play the Marcos Alonso role in a 3-4-3, which is essentially LM. That's usually an easy transition to make for a natural wide man.
These players do have defensive responsibilities of course but they are not LBs. The spend more time on the opposition half than their own.
I don't mind over the odds but there should be some substance in it. Martial is the one we hope owns the LW in the future but he is young and inconsistencies are normal at that age. I don't mind going for a world class player at the top of the game for two reasons 1) A player that Martial can lean on and learn from, developing him to the player we hope for in the future, 2) a player that will give Martial a serious run for his money. But for experience, Perisic is as frustrating as Martial is and the gap in quality isn't that much. We can't be compiling a squad of has beens and never will be. The thing is that if we do pay the crazy amount for him, he will be coming in as a starter and not a squad option. If he goes to Chelsea, he wouldn'twalk into the XI imo, why shouldn't we be aiming for something higher. Even Inter fans are excited at the prospect of better players in AdM and James Rodriguez to replace him.
Ive nothing against the idea of him and Tony counter attacking from deeper positions
you set the ball rolling by being hostile to other posters mate, don't suddenly try and act high and mighty.Anyway, back to actually discussing Perisic because we're going nowhere with this and I'm sure we'd both agree it isn't productive.
Could he maybe act as support for another inside forward on the left as well? Maybe someone like Martial, or am I way off here?
i presume he could but that would leave our attack unbalanced with out current set of left backs. If we get an attacking full back or teach Shaw to attack on the outside it could work.
Anyway, back to actually discussing Perisic because we're going nowhere with this and I'm sure we'd both agree it isn't productive.
Could he maybe act as support for another inside forward on the left as well? Maybe someone like Martial, or am I way off here?
Ive not raised my eyelids let alone my voice or pulse so I am certainly not hostile. It wasnt me using WW2 epithets when debating with someone defending the managers transfer nous.
I haven't watched him enough to know whether he's any good.
But we'd be stupid to blow €50m+ on a 'hard working' player. It's so stupid that I don't think we will. We'll get him if the price is somewhere close to €30m.
But we'd be stupid to blow €50m+ on a 'hard working' player. It's so stupid that I don't think we will. We'll get him if the price is somewhere close to €30m.
Since we're talking about the same game could you tell me whether you are happy with Fellaini's performances over the last 4 seasons and would you like us to extend his contract to 20/21 season?
Much appreciated for a nice talk from my side too.
Yeah, thinking the same, 4-2-3-1,.he Will provide width and hang on the line , occasionally tucking in ( not so much as Martial tho). Allowing more space to Pogba and Grieznann to work and shine. As you said yourself.
He's ideal for a quick counter too, has a good acceleration and can score from a quick counter without FB having a chance. He likes to take people on, sometimes too much but his of the ball work is quite good too.
We were talking about buying players to convert them and I still find it bizarre that we paid a world record for Pogba only to try and make him into something he's not, but if that is to be the case then that left flank needs width to offer him space, so in that regard I agree with the profile of the player required, if not the choice of actual player. The counter will hopefully be helped by his acceleration I agree.
If you actually watched him, you'd know he isn't just a hardworking player. The apprehensions are about his fee and consistency.
Where should Pogba play in your opinion? Closer to goal? Perisic can work in a 4-3-3 although I don't where would Griezmann play then.
Was away from here since friday. The transfer thread had more than 100 new pages (I think), Perisic was created and has 57. I thought a lot had happened, but City signed Bernardo and that was that?
Muppetry is strong this summer. I. LIKE. IT!
Muppetry is strong this summer. I. LIKE. IT!
Season's don't work in calendar years. He'll turn 29 during this season. We're splitting hairs really - my point is, he's quite old for a winger and relies on his pace to beat a man (not that he has a good record of beating a player too often in the first place).
Not so much closer to goal but with the freedom to not have to worry about defensive duties all of the time, some on here seem to think if you pair him with a DM it'll be freedom city for him but it wont, in a 2 man midfield your defensive responsibilities are inherent. My problem with Perisic or any player of his type in a front 3 is he doesn't score nearly enough, if you commit to a front 3 I think all 3 need to be more about goals than width, and with Griezmann I'd play him off the RW like we do with Mata who spends most of his time central. Truth is Pogba and Griezmann in the same team has always been an awkward fit, we see it for France where Pogba is half the player, although part of that is he's paired with Matuidi who chases everything like a dog and leaves Pogba as the deeper CM most of the time.
The only slight concern I have is posters talking about him in the context of him being a workhorse who will put a shift in and contribute some goals and assists (which is good obviously). However I'd argue we're short of players who can produce that moment of brilliance to win a deadlocked game, especially against the smaller sides who come and camp outside their area. Is he that type of player? Can he do it on a consistent basis?
Maybe others will say someone like Griezmann will fulfill that role, and I'd be inclined to agree but it's always good to have 3-4 capable players because relying on one as we have done this season with Zlatan leaves us dependent on him showing up. I think this a transfer that people would be more enthusiastic about if it was the 3rd or 4th transfer in line, after having signed the likes of Griezmann, Mendy and Fabinho etc.
Maybe others will say someone like Griezmann will fulfill that role, and I'd be inclined to agree but it's always good to have 3-4 capable players because relying on one as we have done this season with Zlatan leaves us dependent on him showing up. I think this a transfer that people would be more enthusiastic about if it was the 3rd or 4th transfer in line, after having signed the likes of Griezmann, Mendy and Fabinho etc.
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