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<hr></blockquote>Frankly, I think
SAF SHOULD BE SACKED
- SACKING A MANAGER IS EASY BUT TO GET A GOOD REPLACEMENT IS DIFFICULT!
<hr></blockquote>Frankly, I think
SAF SHOULD BE SACKED
- SACKING A MANAGER IS EASY BUT TO GET A GOOD REPLACEMENT IS DIFFICULT!
Originally posted by giggzy:
<strong>read up..
i think the sack fergie brigade, aren't united fans...
i wish they'd feck off.</strong><hr></blockquote>
agreed.
Either way after all Fergie has done he should be given much more support.
Those fans who havnt witnessed the revolution from its birth in 86 cant fully apreciate the man.
Originally posted by Lion:
<strong>All is not lost yet. As long as we can beat Liverpool and Arsenal next, we are still on the track. But with the current prefered formation, Veron and Blanc playing, players injured or off form, and who is who on the bench, can we make it? I don't think so. Do we need to buy players? Yes!!!
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Does anyone know when Nicky Butt is coming back? Because now there are all these rumours that Keane might not come back until after the Arsenal match. There's not enough steel in our midfield with both of them out, and I think we'd be lucky to get any kind of a result against Arsenal or Liverpool if neither one of them are playing.
Originally posted by Red15:
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Does anyone know when Nicky Butt is coming back? Because now there are all these rumours that Keane might not come back until after the Arsenal match. There's not enough steel in our midfield with both of them out, and I think we'd be lucky to get any kind of a result against Arsenal or Liverpool if neither one of them are playing.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree. There is very little chance of us getting any kind of a positive result against pool or the arse if we play Phil Neville and Veron in the centre of the midfield
Originally posted by RedinLasVegas:
<strong>I dont think anyone can argue that Veron is a world class player. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Is or isn't?
He might have been once. He isn't now. We have other players in the team who can make great passes, and have great vision.
Seba has done it on occasions. To be world-class it needs to be a lot more often.
He didn't show it in the world cup either. Imo, he may have shown flashes of brilliance since he came to us, but not enough to call him world-class.
World class potential maybe. Not even sure about that.
I do like Seba, but let's be realistic.
Originally posted by Rod:
<strong>I remember seeing Pool play in London in 1981, (vs Palace, in a hole in the ground); everybody was already rabbiting on about end of any era. It was only half way thru.
What do you guys want, a Thousand Year Reich ?</strong><hr></blockquote>
Jeez, I was at that game, screaming at the Palace players to get their bloody fingers out cos there was an outside chance United could win the League. Course Palace were crap & Liverpool won. And we all got soaked, what a shithole Selhurst Park was.
<img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by Murt:
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agreed.
Either way after all Fergie has done he should be given much more support.
Those fans who havnt witnessed the revolution from its birth in 86 cant fully apreciate the man.</strong><hr></blockquote>
BULLSHIT. Stam and Ince did a load for the club and they got booted out when their time was up. Everyone has their day and when they are finished they have to go. That is the only way for a team to progress. There is no such thing in football called loyalty.
Originally posted by cd:
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BULLSHIT. Stam and Ince did a load for the club and they got booted out when their time was up. Everyone has their day and when they are finished they have to go. That is the only way for a team to progress. There is no such thing in football called loyalty.</strong><hr></blockquote>
facts are that Stam's time was not up. I have backed Veron most of the time but after saturday I think we have already seen the best of Veron in the Premier league, He is not going to become brilliant he is going to show flashes of genius and also flashes of crap. And Blanc is over the hill. Bring in O'Shea as first choice and have Wes brown as his back up. Relegate Silvestre to second choice left back and get Placente from Bayer Leverkusen as our regular left back. I know that Silvestre makes some great runs up the wing but his crosses land either behind the goal or in the goalkeepers arms.
Originally posted by Julian Denny:
<strong>This has all been discussed before at length on this forum. Some of us have been saying now for some time that SAF's time is up. This doesn't mean to say we are not fully cognisant of what he has achieved and what he has done for our Club and by extension what he has done for us. We are all eternally grateful. Unfortunately that's all in the past now and there is little room for sentiment in thsee matters. Of course Fergie won't be sacked but the time has come for him to move upstairs and for someone else to take over to bring in a new freshness, vigour and a more workable tactical approach all of which have been missing these last two seasons in particular. The new man will be able to take an objective view of the playing staff which perhaps Fergie no longer does. Now this may appear to be sacrilege to many and that's understandable, but it's the reality of the situation. Fergie is floundering sadly. The signs have been there for some time. These things happen in any walk of life. Great men don't go on forever and we have to face up to this reality, as painful as it is in Fergie's case. Having said that I don't underestimate the task facing our board in selecting a successor, after all apart from anything else its going to be a very hard act to follow. Nothing will happen until the end of the season but I have little doubt that Fergie, being the person he is, will at his own instigation, step down if the season is a failure, which it will be if we don't land a major trophy. Such are the standards and demands of this great club.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I agree....do you know where I could get a transcript of Gary Bailey's interview with SAF?
Originally posted by cd:
<strong>There is no such thing in football called loyalty.</strong><hr></blockquote>
you would have been one of the ones wanting Fergie out in the 80's i presume, had you been a fan back then.
Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>What is the problem with 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1?
What role did Cantona play only as one of the 1's. When we won the European Cup what position did Yorke play?
As for Veron, I fecking love watching him. Never seen such a repetoire of passing.
And Racist Pete, well he is a massive.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I've been trying to explain this to them for a long time, but will they listen? Will they feck!
Except for the last pat, but you've obviously taken that the wrong way and too much to heart, so we will have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
[QB]What is the problem with 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1?
As for Veron, I fecking love watching him. Never seen such a repetoire of passing.
[QB]<hr></blockquote>
last nights goal was brilliant, amazing diagonal pass pass to Beckhams toe and great movement to be where he was for the return. Great ball for Ruuds goal too.
Sure he misplaced a few passes but he didnt do it more often than anyone else. The crowd seems to give a bigger groan when he does it though which is a pity.
Originally posted by Murt:
<strong>The crowd seems to give a bigger groan when he does it though which is a pity.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Total pity, but 80% of them are muppets (seems a nice word to use, and popular - I would rather use one a bit stronger, but I just get hounded and then told off by Dans for it).
Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>What is the problem with 4-5-1, 4-4-1-1?
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Absolutely nothing. As long as you have the right players. The players we have are best suited to 4-4-2. We don't have a Yorke or a Sheringham.
Originally posted by One Remi Moses:
<strong>Livvie we have Paul Scholes and Ryan Giggs.
Giggs gave one of the best performances in the role against deportivo away last year. He was fecking electric.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Hellooo. Wake up. It doesn't work with Scholes and Giggs - only on occasions. It takes them away from what they do best.
We haven't played well for two years.
Originally posted by Murt:
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you would have been one of the ones wanting Fergie out in the 80's i presume, had you been a fan back then. </strong><hr></blockquote>
Too young...only born a couple of months before the legend took over.
Originally posted by pjaya:
<strong>To the non-believer! Eat that! <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> <img src="graemlins/devil.gif" border="0" alt="[Devil]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Thanks for digging up the post
Reading it and it's interesting to read some of the points made before. Some points are still valid, for example:
3.Fergie is also paying the price of sticking with that 4-5-1 formation. I somehow think that he tries and tries to justify the price that he paid for veron by playing him every game and hoping that he does well. This is not working.
How true is that. Back to 4-4-2 without Veron and we beat Newcastle and Liverpool. However that's not Fergie's master tactical change. He is just forced to make the change because of injury.
On the other hands, some agrument has proven to be wrong, for example:
2. We need to sell players who do not have the desire(eg: Veron and Gary Neville) and players who just dont have the talent to succeed at this level(Phil Neville)
Reading it now, and you may wonder why someone could say Gary Neville "do not have desire".