Its time for a change.
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RUnited R United always have been always will?
how old are you? as you have supported United for 10 years and you do not know the 60s 70s 80s
how old are you? as you have supported United for 10 years and you do not know the 60s 70s 80s
like i said..
iam not the one who wants fergie and co out..
he's got one more season on his contact after this.... then we'll see who takesover, and what changes he makes.
iam not the one who wants fergie and co out..
he's got one more season on his contact after this.... then we'll see who takesover, and what changes he makes.
Originally posted by RUnited:
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but with the current team we can keep being at the top.. we don't need to lose gear.. we have 25-28 year old players in the team.. if you say we'll take a few more years then by that time we'll have an aging squad.. we'd be a waste then if we don't continue from now.</strong><hr></blockquote>
So who is capable of motivating the current team more than SAF i would not like to be in the dressing room after a poor performance
Originally posted by corelive:
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So who is capable of motivating the current team more than SAF i would not like to be in the dressing room after a poor performance
i bet they got a major bollocking for the mistakes!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" />
Originally posted by corelive:
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So who is capable of motivating the current team more than SAF i would not like to be in the dressing room after a poor performance
I don't know if Fergie can motivate the players the way he used to.
After selling Jaap the way he did, Fergie went from being a father-figure to a hard employer.
Originally posted by giggzy:
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i bet they got a major bollocking for the mistakes!! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laugh Out Loud]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
Nah m8 i bet he said never mind lads it was only the MASSIVES as most think he aint up to it no more
If Utd don`t win the Champions League and don`t get in the top three this year, should Fergie step down?
This has all been discussed before at length on this forum. Some of us have been saying now for some time that SAF's time is up. This doesn't mean to say we are not fully cognisant of what he has achieved and what he has done for our Club and by extension what he has done for us. We are all eternally grateful. Unfortunately that's all in the past now and there is little room for sentiment in thsee matters. Of course Fergie won't be sacked but the time has come for him to move upstairs and for someone else to take over to bring in a new freshness, vigour and a more workable tactical approach all of which have been missing these last two seasons in particular. The new man will be able to take an objective view of the playing staff which perhaps Fergie no longer does. Now this may appear to be sacrilege to many and that's understandable, but it's the reality of the situation. Fergie is floundering sadly. The signs have been there for some time. These things happen in any walk of life. Great men don't go on forever and we have to face up to this reality, as painful as it is in Fergie's case. Having said that I don't underestimate the task facing our board in selecting a successor, after all apart from anything else its going to be a very hard act to follow. Nothing will happen until the end of the season but I have little doubt that Fergie, being the person he is, will at his own instigation, step down if the season is a failure, which it will be if we don't land a major trophy. Such are the standards and demands of this great club.
Think your right mate.
Who thinks we were better after Veron went off?
Originally posted by Waz:
<strong>If Utd don`t win the Champions League and don`t get in the top three this year, should Fergie step down?</strong><hr></blockquote>
It's not a question of whether he should. HE WOULD, pure and simple. There would be no need anyone rambling about it.
He would step UP though
Listening to the Alex interview with Gary Bailey - he's not recognised the problems at all, even though Gary Bailey put them all to him straight on: Veron's unsuitability, Barthez not instilling confidence in his defence, 4-5-1. He doesn't see a problem with any of them.
Veron - he thinks he's been fine, and we shouldn't expect more despite his price tag. Apparently we should expect an ordinary player for that. What about the piss poor one we get in the PL?
Barthez - Schmeichel wanted to be a central defender, but Barthez wants to be a centre forward! Thats what he said, and he's happy that he takes such risks!
4-5-1 - He's believed in it since he played deeper as a forward when he was in his 30's. He's always played 4-4-1-1 whether it be at aberdeen or united, nothing wrong with the system, its just a slight variation to have the extra player coming from midfield, the players (scholes) have just believed the press too much. Pure stubborness. Very disappointing.
Veron - he thinks he's been fine, and we shouldn't expect more despite his price tag. Apparently we should expect an ordinary player for that. What about the piss poor one we get in the PL?
Barthez - Schmeichel wanted to be a central defender, but Barthez wants to be a centre forward! Thats what he said, and he's happy that he takes such risks!
4-5-1 - He's believed in it since he played deeper as a forward when he was in his 30's. He's always played 4-4-1-1 whether it be at aberdeen or united, nothing wrong with the system, its just a slight variation to have the extra player coming from midfield, the players (scholes) have just believed the press too much. Pure stubborness. Very disappointing.
The main problem today was not actually blanc and ferdinand, but the midfield, especially veron and phil neville losing the ball too easily and putting the defence under quick pressure. I think its about time O'shea starts playing right back instead of neville, cos the two nevilles and veron were shockingly bad today. Damn I have not seen us play this bad, since the howlers last season.
The way we are going chelsea will beat us to the third spot, then we will see if there are any drastic changes in the team.
The way we are going chelsea will beat us to the third spot, then we will see if there are any drastic changes in the team.
I for one would not like to see Fergie sacked. I am not calling for his head, but i'm simply just stating the obvious. Changes have to be made. The loss to City certainly will be a kick up the backside to the team which is a good thing. United aren't the force they used to be, and some of you people out there still refuse to think any different. How dare any of you say that i am not a fan. I would like nothing better than to see United dominate again for the next 10 years. Stop being so narrow minded and please
stop living in the past, We aint gonna win 3-0, 4-0 every week. We ain't the best team in the league anymore, and i've accepted that. have you?
stop living in the past, We aint gonna win 3-0, 4-0 every week. We ain't the best team in the league anymore, and i've accepted that. have you?
Originally posted by antohan:
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feck off. What's it with all this modern tactics and all that shite.
Forget the tactics, half of the time we are discussing whether we started 442 or 451 and whether when we did well it was one or the other (and most seem to see 442 where others see 451).
This is not a number game nor is football based on stale positions. Players should be able to adapt their game according to the game flow.
I agree we need some reinforcements, particularly one that can turn a whole fecking defensive barrier inside out.
I'm worried about spirit and performances. We miss Keano but it doesn't just go down to that. I doubt any of us or any manager can work that out.
If anyone can it's SAF (who I concede might have to be less protective of some). He knows them better than anyone else so he must be better equipped to diagnose the situation and find ways to get it sorted. Stick whoever your alternative fancy named manager is up your arse.
Spot on, no need to panic just get it sorted.
Anelka can stuff anybody the way he stuffed Rio, he's special. What happened to Gazza is a risk of the trade for fullbacks - pressure, error, no way out. When it happens its a goal. When it happens to a midfielder its a loss of possession and is forgotten. Take those incidents away and it was a 1-1 draw. I enjoyed the game, good to be seeing Manchester derbies again. For somebody who remembers jokes like "what's the difference between MU and a triangle ? A triangle has 3 points" I won't be losing sleep over this.
I really hate to say it but if we don't do something soon we risk going the way of Oiverpool in the 90's. And it's a hell of a long road back.
To say Anelka can do that to any defender isn't good enough. We paid £30million for Rio and City paid £15 for Anelka (or something like that) I don't expect to see Rio be turned inside out, we could have paid alot less for a centre back and watch that happen. Are we going to make the same excuse when we play against Henry, Owen, Shearer etc. We gotta be realistic he had a poor game.
The players have become comfortable and that has led to complaincy. Something needs to be done to shake them up from this rut. I don't pretent to know the answer but its one of two things, either a new manger or a changing in playing personnel.
To say Anelka can do that to any defender isn't good enough. We paid £30million for Rio and City paid £15 for Anelka (or something like that) I don't expect to see Rio be turned inside out, we could have paid alot less for a centre back and watch that happen. Are we going to make the same excuse when we play against Henry, Owen, Shearer etc. We gotta be realistic he had a poor game.
The players have become comfortable and that has led to complaincy. Something needs to be done to shake them up from this rut. I don't pretent to know the answer but its one of two things, either a new manger or a changing in playing personnel.
I remember seeing Pool play in London in 1981, (vs Palace, in a hole in the ground); everybody was already rabbiting on about end of any era. It was only half way thru.
What do you guys want, a Thousand Year Reich ?
What do you guys want, a Thousand Year Reich ?
The reason I think the board should serioulsy consider sacking Fergie is because he is not upto the job at all. I agree that just a few years ago he was the greatest manager of his time and he made United a great team with his excellent tactics and motivation skills. But things change and ever since we won the treble, the squad has shown very little progress. I agree we did win two league titles which is a considersable achievement but this was also due to the fact that there were no real challengers as Arsenal and Poo were building their squads. This lack of progress was especially evident in our European performances of the 1999/2000 season and the 2000/2001 season. It became evident in the league last season and now it is clear for all to see except for certain idiots. I would love for SAF to stay and make the needed changes in his tactics and team building, but that does not look like it is going to happen. It is therefore essential for the board to take action or allow the team into going downhill rapidly. People who turn a blind eye to Fergie's role in Utd's performance and blame other factors for are downfall are SAF fans rather than Utd. fans.