Italian Serie A 2022/23

Bepi said:
On your second point… you can see how the Germans are happy to feed Bayern or how the English are so proud of their League and contrast with how Italians are unhappy when Juventus is and acts as an international force.
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Oh yeah.... I clearly remember this forum last spring, everybody was rooting for City and Liverpool to affirm the superiority of the Premier on the fields of the Champions... :lol:

Bepi said:
I dare to add that both points are strictly intertwined, also for the international relevance of the Italian NT: a very strong Juventus is historically the main feeder of a very strong Italian NT.
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Oh come on not this self-incensing crap again.

Juventus has been the most consistent of the elite teams through the decades, so it's natural that it has contributed more players to the NT overall.
Historically, there've been winning teams with a lot of Juve players, winning teams with very few, and winning teams with equal contingents from the other best teams of the era, and it's the same for the unsuccessful ones.

I love how you make it seem like great Juventus teams somehow create great players out of thin air... it's the generations, good and bad, that count. Do you think that if Juve was struggling, players wouldn't have gone elsewhere, and wouldn't have rose to the top and gelled in other blocks?

The 2010s are just a very fresh example, with the most Serie A dominant Juventus ever, with 2 CL finals on his belt, giving 6-7 players to NT squads that got kicked out in a WC group stage, went out to Germany in a KO tie for the first time ever, and failed to qualify for a WC after sixty years...
 
I mean really that's so unsettling, Juve fans always act like the own italian footie, and italian footie somehow owes to them for its strengths.

That's already silly for a storied footballing nation like Italy is.... even without taking into account that maaaybe, just maaaybe, Juventus most prominent contribution has been perpetually sucking its own life out of it, and bringing it down with their shady lack of fair play.
 
abundance said:
I love how you make it seem like great Juventus teams somehow create great players out of thin air...
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You had Conte just two years ago as a coach and even the pigs were flying… historically, that is (was) Juve trademark.
 
Bepi said:
You had Conte just two years ago as a coach and even the pigs were flying… historically, that is (was) Juve trademark.
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K because Garbutt, Felsner, Weisz, Foni, Bernardini, Viani, Rocco, Herrera, Pesaola, Maestrelli, Radice, Bersellini, Bagnoli, Mazzone, Liedholm, Boskov, Sacchi, Capello, Eriksson, Ranieri, Zeman, Ancelotti, Mancini, Mourinho have contributed sh*t to bring forward Italian Football...
 
abundance said:
K because Garbutt, Felsner, Weisz, Foni, Bernardini, Viani, Rocco, Herrera, Pesaola, Maestrelli, Radice, Bersellini, Bagnoli, Mazzone, Liedholm, Boskov, Sacchi, Capello, Eriksson, Ranieri, Zeman, Ancelotti, Mancini, Mourinho have contributed sh*t to bring forward Italian Football...
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Whatever you like… yet the 4 WCs Italy won are all associated with the biggest contribution from great Juventus sides… so great in 2006 that Moggi owned not only Italy, but also fellow finalist France. This is history, more than the opinion of self-aggrandising Juve fans.
 
Bepi said:
Whatever you like… yet the 4 WCs Italy won are all associated with the biggest contribution from great Juventus sides… so great in 2006 that Moggi owned not only Italy, but also fellow finalist France. This is history, more than the opinion of self-aggrandising Juve fans.
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1934 had 9 Juve players, 4 from Inter, 4 from Roma among the squad.
But 1938 had 5 from Inter, 5 from Roma and 2 from Juve.
1982 had 6 from Juve, 5 from Inter and 5 from Fiorentina.
2006 had 5 from Juve, 5 from Milan and 3 from Roma, and a final equalizer by the lone interista.

But hey thanks for winning it all for us.
 
Interesting they let Rovella go on loan again, thought he could have been useful this season
 
abundance said:
1934 had 9 Juve players, 4 from Inter, 4 from Roma among the squad.
But 1938 had 5 from Inter, 5 from Roma and 2 from Juve.
1982 had 6 from Juve, 5 from Inter and 5 from Fiorentina.
2006 had 5 from Juve, 5 from Milan and 3 from Roma, and a final equalizer by the lone interista.

But hey thanks for winning it all for us.
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Yeah, 4 world champion sides are all associated with Juventus players, and the managers had used them as the core of the team due to their chemistry on and off the pitch, the relationship between each other, and coordination, especially between the midfield area and defense area. Blocco-Juve was the backbone of the Italian teams between World Cup 1978 until World Cup 1982, they reached the semi-finals in Euro 1980 and World Cup 1978 and were the champion of World Cup 1982. On the Juventus side, they definitely dominated everything at the domestic level( especially in Calcio). Look at the 1978 world cup, they even had 8 Juventus players as main starters in a squad( Zoff, young Cabrini, Bettega, Rossi, Benetti, Gentile, Scirea and Tardelli) and that 1978 Italian team produced even better football in the 1982 team, however, the 1982 team was more experienced, team-oriented and better depth.

The Nazio-Juve was one of the best teams in the world in the 1930s and was the backbone of Prozzo's Italy in World Cup 1934 with some notable players like Monti, Orsi, Cesarini, Ferrari, Borrel, and the legendary defensive trio( Combi-Rossetta and Caligaris). I think this is the best Italian team of all time with an effective 2-3-5 formation ( pyramid of Cambridge ).

I think Italy during 1966-1970 must be considered one of the best Italian generations of all. Unfortunately, they didn't win World Cup due to facing the best International Team of all time. Italy during that period had a hell of incomparable talents in that team ( striker, defenders, and midfielders). During that time, it was a very competitive period. Milan, Inter, Fiorentina, Cagliari and Juventus were very strong and at the same time Inter and Milan were dominant force in European Competitions.
 
abundance said:
1934 had 9 Juve players, 4 from Inter, 4 from Roma among the squad.
But 1938 had 5 from Inter, 5 from Roma and 2 from Juve.
1982 had 6 from Juve, 5 from Inter and 5 from Fiorentina.
2006 had 5 from Juve, 5 from Milan and 3 from Roma, and a final equalizer by the lone interista.

But hey thanks for winning it all for us.
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That looks far more balanced than his posts suggests. I believe the 2021 Euro winning team was more Juve with Chiesa and the 2 CBs being the best players (alongside Donnaruma). But that also happened on a season Juventus barely made it to top 4.
 
Pintu said:
That looks far more balanced than his posts suggests. I believe the 2021 Euro winning team was more Juve with Chiesa and the 2 CBs being the best players (alongside Donnaruma). But that also happened on a season Juventus barely made it to top 4.
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Taken in isolation, @abundance numbers are worth nothing… Context is king and that’s where @General_Elegancia makes no mistake. Lippi’s 2006 triumph, with Italy playing France in the final and both teams full of Juventus-formed players, staff and coaches, was Moggi’s kiss of death to Italy relevance at the WC, and still waiting.

However, I only wanted to write here today that Spezia holding Napoli at home makes them > Liverpool, right? :wenger:
 
Bepi said:
Taken in isolation, @abundance numbers are worth nothing… Context is king and that’s where @General_Elegancia makes no mistake. Lippi’s 2006 triumph, with Italy playing France in the final and both teams full of Juventus-formed players, staff and coaches, was Moggi’s kiss of death to Italy relevance at the WC, and still waiting.

However, I only wanted to write here today that Spezia holding Napoli at home makes them > Liverpool, right? :wenger:
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At the moment, we(Liverpool) suck and we can be even beaten by low-relegation zone teams.
 
I love Marassi. One of my favourite stadiums. Such an atmosphere and such a vintage feel to it. Shits over the new shiny toilet bowls of today.
 
Probably no surprise to anyone but N’dombele is terrible.
 
VorZakone said:
Jeez, what happened to the guy. He has the talent to be a great player. Attitude?
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I’m not sure if it’s fitness. But he looks like the worst player for Napoli in the two games he’s had. Napoli played their second string midfield and he was subbed off at half time because he was hopeless. He’s not good enough for the second string, let alone first team.
 
1st to 8th is separated by 4 points.

This start to the season has been amazing.
 
Candreva just scored for Salernitana.

If I were Agnelli I would consider getting Tuchel ASAP. Allegri’s time at Juve has been over for some while.
 
Wow, 0-2. A little bit harsh to give that penalty, but I'm only half-watching and didn't see if there was more movement of the arm towards the ball or not. Not sure what the defender could really do about that.
 
Superunknown said:
Wow, 0-2. A little bit harsh to give that penalty, but I'm only half-watching and didn't see if there was more movement of the arm towards the ball or not. Not sure what the defender could really do about that.
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I thought it was a little harsh
 
Tuchel will be appointed as Juve manager at this rate.
 
Superunknown said:
Wow, 0-2. A little bit harsh to give that penalty, but I'm only half-watching and didn't see if there was more movement of the arm towards the ball or not. Not sure what the defender could really do about that.
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It was a penalty nothing against player but goal bound ball hit his forehand. It should be penalty. No other way. If ref gave red card then that's harsh but it's penalty.
 
Would Tuchel even consider a move to Juve ?
 
First time I've watched Juve in a while....such a hot mess tactically. :lol:

According to comms they're playing 4-4-2 yet Salernitana are just walking through them centrally with ease and getting constant overloads on their left, Allegri seems to be putting this formation out thinking it's Di Maria on the right rather than Weston McKennie.

They're doing nothing in the league until they sack Allegri. Would Zidane not fancy this?

Salernitana had a fantastic end to last season to stay up and added top level experience in Candreva, Vilenha and Piatek so fantastic recruitment to kick on from their great escape.
 
FootballHQ said:
First time I've watched Juve in a while....such a hot mess tactically. :lol:

According to comms they're playing 4-4-2 yet Salernitana are just walking through them centrally with ease and getting constant overloads on their left, Allegri seems to be putting this formation out thinking it's Di Maria on the right rather than Weston McKennie.

They're doing nothing in the league until they sack Allegri. Would Zidane not fancy this?

Salernitana had a fantastic end to last season to stay up and added top level experience in Candreva, Vilenha and Piatek so fantastic recruitment to kick on from their great escape.
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Does not look like 442 to me. More like 352 with Kostic and Cuadrado on the wings.

Miretti looked helpless down the middle, not sure I see the fuss in him yet.
 
Berbaclass said:
I thought it was a little harsh
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Rajiztar said:
It was a penalty nothing against player but goal bound ball hit his forehand. It should be penalty. No other way. If ref gave red card then that's harsh but it's penalty.
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It's going in if it doesn't hit the player's hand, I agree. But, he can't really get his hand out of the way in time. It's another of those ones that I think looks bad because it's in slow-motion. In real time, there's absolutely nothing the player can do about it. Can see why it was given, because it's going to hit the target. But, it's harsh, imo.
 
Superunknown said:
It's going in if it doesn't hit the player's hand, I agree. But, he can't really get his hand out of the way in time. It's another of those ones that I think looks bad because it's in slow-motion. In real time, there's absolutely nothing the player can do about it. Can see why it was given, because it's going to hit the target. But, it's harsh, imo.
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It should never come in grey area and shouldn't interpret different way. Goal bound ball and player s hand deviated the ball from certain goal.Penalty.
 
This is why I feel Roma can get top 4. (Now watch them lost Tommorow)

Every single challenger sucks major pipi. It is a wide open race at the moment
 
Lingard's favourite italian player came on for juve. Supposed to be a big talent...
 
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