Israeli - Palestinian Conflict

Shamwow said:
Remember that time 15 guys from Iran led by another guy from Iran with connections to the Iranian royal family and funding from the Iranian government flew commercial airliners into buildings and killed thousands of innocent people?
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Under orders of the Saudi royal family???

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How could I forget? It was under W's orders himself!
 
Gannicus said:
Iran instigates violence outside its borders. Saudi Arabia does not.
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There are many Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Yemenis, Pakistanis, Afghans, Bahrainis and others who would beg to differ. The Saudis have, at various times, supported sectarian militias or used military force in all these countries, all within recent memory.

Gannicus said:
Both regimes are brutal. It's hard to have a perfectly clear picture of the full extent of abuses committed in the name of Allah in both regimes. It may be pure western propaganda, but the picture that emerges out of Iran is generally somewhat worse than the picture that emerges out of Iran. But unless you live there and see the atrocities for yourself, it's impossible to know with absolute certainty which is worse. All we can go by are the fragments of anecdotes that we in the western democracies hear and read about.
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The human rights situation in Saudi is worse than in Iran IMO. The Iranian system of governance for all its restrictions allows a certain measure of popular participation, and administrative positions aren't simply controlled by one family. Women can drive, travel alone, and work in most mundane/everyday positions. The Kingdom is a much more secretive, closed country, such that we don't really hear much about the internal repression in places like Qatif province in the Shia populated north-east. For obvious reasons, Western governments tend to emphasize Iranian human rights abuses while downplaying similar or worse stuff in Saudi.
 
Gannicus said:
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Yes and no. We don't like it, but we don't object to it. The difference is, however, twofold. One, Saudi Arabia is not hellbent on destabilizing the Middle East and the destruction of Israel. Two, as bad as Saudi Arabia is with respect to human rights, and we know it's bad there, it's child's play in Saudi Arabia compared to Iran.

Saudi Arabia is, in effect, the lesser of two evils.
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@Kaos is going to have a seizure after reading this.
 
Shamwow said:
That isn't what I said.
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Sure it is, in effect, given your mocking insertion of Iran for Saudi Arabia.

Amigos, we're way off what this is about and I don't want to be responsible for all of us getting banned.

Can we go back to how Israel should be wiped off the map?
 
2cents said:
There are many Syrians, Iraqis, Lebanese, Yemenis, Pakistanis, Afghans, Bahrainis and others who would beg to differ. The Saudis have, at various times, supported sectarian militias or used military force in all these countries, all within recent memory.
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... and Israelis! SA was a huge Hamas sponsor.

2cents said:
The human rights situation in Saudi is worse than in Iran IMO. The Iranian system of governance for all its restrictions allows a certain measure of popular participation, and administrative positions aren't simply controlled by one family. Women can drive, travel alone, and work in most mundane/everyday positions. The Kingdom is a much more secretive, closed country, such that we don't really hear much about the internal repression in places like Qatif province in the Shia populated north-east. For obvious reasons, Western governments tend to emphasize Iranian human rights abuses while downplaying similar or worse stuff in Saudi.
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Do they?
 
Gannicus said:
Sure it is, in effect, given your mocking insertion of Iran for Saudi Arabia.

Amigos, we're way off what this is about and I don't want to be responsible for all of us getting banned.

Can we go back to how Israel should be wiped off the map?
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No it isn't.
 
Good article
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/a-spec...32922&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Emailvision

It was once the largest Palestinian community in Syria. Situated barely a few miles from President Bashar Assad's palace in Damascus, the two square kilometers of the Yarmouk district were a de facto refugee camp, home to well over 100,000 people.

But that was before the Syrian civil war made the camp into a battleground four years ago, before the Assad government besieged the camp for more than two years, and, most recently, before ISIS invaded it as a strategic prize, Syrian aircraft barrel-bombed it, and the 18,000 Palestinians left there have been trapped, slowly starving, vulnerable to disease, deadly crossfire, and the horrifying prospects of ISIS rule.

Now, Yarmouk, technically part of Damascus, is fast becoming one of the world's most critical humanitarian disasters.

Hundreds of Palestinians are believed to have been killed just since last week, when ISIS stormed the camp and took over nearly all of Yarmouk.

The UN's ability to halt the fighting and allow the aid workers to deliver food, water and medicine to the increasingly desperate people of Yarmouk, Pierre Krähenbühl, commissioner general of the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) said on Monday, is “a test of the entire international system.”

As such, it has also become a test for the left.

In the past, when Israeli operations directed against Hamas claimed large numbers of Palestinian civilian casualties, the response from leftists abroad has been immediate, vocal, and keenly felt.

Protests against the prolonged Israeli siege of the Gaza Strip and the widespread injustices of the occupation of the West Bank have spread to campuses and institutions worldwide.

Leftists have organized mass demonstrations and a range of high-profile activities aimed at focusing attention on the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza, the West Bank, and East Jerusalem.

For Yarmouk, voices of protest have been all but nonexistent.

Let me not excuse myself from this. When it comes to protest over maltreatment of Palestinians, I am thoroughly used to my own attention, my own outcry, directed exclusively toward what Israel does.

Something changed this week. Something about learning of people trying to subsist in Yarmouk on 400 calories a day, of an entire camp sealed off for a week from food and medicine and all other aid, of 3,500 children among those trapped in the camp, of successive waves in Yarmouk of armed abusers, rapists, decapitators.

If, as progressives, we truly care about injustices done to Palestinians, if our goal as leftists goes beyond expressing fury toward Israel, we must raise our voices and act every bit as forcefully, right now, to try to help the people of Yarmouk.

"What’s happening in the Yarmouk camp is a crime against humanity,” Israeli legislator Ahmed Tibi said Monday, “Over a thousand Palestinians were killed.” In Tibi's view, Arab countries specifically, and the international community as a whole, should be ashamed for letting the violence in Yarmouk erupt.

“ISIS is a fascist movement that is now publishing photos of heads it chopped off – including a photo of the imam of the mosque, a Hamas supporter – and claiming he is an apostate,” said Tibi, a senior member of the largely Arab Joint List.

“I feel anger and great sadness about what is happening in what is left of the camp,” he stated. “There is a moral double standard. If other people were the victims, not Palestinians, it would be different."

To that end, it's worth noting that some leftist websites with a concentration on Israel/Palestine have begun publishing articles highlighting Yarmouk.

For Palestinians outside of Yarmouk, social worker and activist Samah Salaime Egbariya wrote in +972 Magazine this week, "our utter and complete helplessness is unbearable. Even organizing a small demonstration in Haifa over the weekend was emotionally trying for the activists, who came with overwhelming despondency, anger and sadness — about the entire world that is simply ignoring what’s happening, about the Arab world that managed to organize a special military force in Yemen overnight, about the silence of the Palestinian Authority, and about the impotence of the international community."

"It's a shame,"Egbariya concluded. "It’s a shame that there isn’t any oil or natural gas under that refugee camp. If there were, I’m sure that an alliance of freedom-seeking nations would quickly come together — with the backing of the UN, of course — to save all those innocent people."
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Gannicus said:
:lol:

Yes and no. We don't like it, but we don't object to it. The difference is, however, twofold. One, Saudi Arabia is not hellbent on destabilizing the Middle East and the destruction of Israel. Two, as bad as Saudi Arabia is with respect to human rights, and we know it's bad there, it's child's play in Saudi Arabia compared to Iran.

Saudi Arabia is, in effect, the lesser of two evils.
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You're obviously wumming, and if so I commend your unique sense of humour.
 
The important bit about Saudi-Iranian relations is that the Saudis will not be incentivized to embark on their on WMD program if they perceive a degradation or eventual elimination of the Iranian WMD program, which is another reason this deal needs to happen.
 
Raoul said:
The important bit about Saudi-Iranian relations is that the Saudis will not be incentivized to embark on their on WMD program if they perceive a degradation or eventual elimination of the Iranian WMD program, which is another reason this deal needs to happen.
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Such points should be made in the appropriate thread, not this one. I'm no mod so it's really not up to me, but I was admonished once before by a mod for a thread hijacking that was less off course than where we are now in this one.
 
Gannicus said:
Such points should be made in the appropriate thread, not this one. I'm no mod so it's really not up to me, but I was admonished once before by a mod for a thread hijacking that was less off course than where we are now in this one.
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Erm...ok. I'll keep an eye out for this sort of thing.
 
Gannicus said:
Both Israelis and Palestinians could go on and on and be quite correct in listing the litany of crimes committed by the other side. One could mention, for example, the assassination of the Israeli athletes in 1972, which was well beyond the pale of daily atrocities each side commits.

But a resolution to this hostility has to begin with Palestine recognizing Israel's right to exist. Until this happens, rockets will be lobbed back and forth and innocent people will continue to die and the living shall continue to suffer.

One could not expect Israel to welcome to the bargaining table a regime which has not already renounced the provision of its covenant, which we can think of for this purpose as its constitution, that demands the destruction of Israel. It would be like, say, asking Mexico to negotiate with the United States while the US Constitution demanded the destruction of Mexico. One would never expect, let alone demand, the Mexican people to agree to sitting down with the Americans while such a provision remained in the American Constitution.

If you agree that Israel has no right to exist, we understand each other. But if you agree that Israel has a right to exist, then it would be absurd to expect to expect the Israelis to participate in a process that would ensure its own destruction. Loathesome as Israelis may be in the eyes of some, they are certainly not fools.
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I see you (conveniently?) didn't address any of my points. Israel, the gov't, has broken resolution after resolution by the UN. We can all point to terrorist attacks on either side. But the government itself has committed atrocities, for example:

2008-9 Israel breaks a 6 month ceasefire with Hamas for 3 weeks, bombs the shit out of Gaza, reduces 25% on infrastructure to rubble (homes, mosques, schools, university, police station). +1400 Palestinians are killed, around 34% are children. White phosphorus bombs are used on the civilian population, it is condemned as a war crime.

Israel is clearly not interested in peace, they have continuously and perpetually looked to crush the Palestinian people, and they really don't give a toss about the UN, its resolutions or anyone but themselves for that matter.

Gannicus said:
I missed that earlier. With that declaration, there really is much to discuss, is there?

One might as well state "Death to America", which wouldn't accomplish much. America would not agree to its own death any more than Israel would.

But let's think this through. Let's say we all agreed that Israel must be wiped off the map, as the Iranian regime so elegantly puts it. What exactly shall be done with the roughly 6m Jews currently living in Israel? Shall they be deported to countries all over the world? Or simply exterminated in the name of expediency and, perhaps, religious decree?
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Your argument is totally different to what I'm saying/have said previously. An end to a Zionist regime doesn't equate to 'Death to Israel'. You keep on pushing this anti-Jewish agenda when I've said anything but. The Jewish inhabitants are welcome to stay, so long as the land is given back and the illegal settlements are given back. The land distribution should be redone, and equal rights for all, including access to holy sites (something which is very difficult for Palestinians/Muslims wishing to visit Al Aqsa, presently.) None of these things will occur under a Zionist regime.
 


Do not forget them: Today is the 67th anniversary of ‪#‎DeirYassin‬ massacre.

Today is the 67th anniversary of #DeirYassin massacre. Early in the morning of April 9, 1948, commandos of the terrorist groups Irgun and Stern attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents.

Over 100 Palestinians were killed including women and children. Defenceless Palestinian civilians were tortured before being murdered and their bodies mutilated. Women and children were raped, babies were butchered and pregnant women were bayoneted
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Early in the morning of Friday, April 9, 1948, commandos of the Irgun, headed by Menachem Begin, and the Stern Gang attacked Deir Yassin, a village with about 750 Palestinian residents. It was several weeks before the end of the British Mandate. The village lay outside of the area that the United Nations recommended be included in a future Jewish State. Deir Yassin had a peaceful reputation and was even said by a Jewish newspaper to have driven out some Arab militants. But it was located on high ground in the corridor between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and one plan, kept secret until years afterwards, called for it to be destroyed and the residents evacuated to make way for a small airfield that would supply the beleaguered Jewish residents of Jerusalem.Center for Research and Documentation of Palestinian Society found "the numbers of those killed does not exceed 120".

The Haganah leaders admitted that the massacre "disgraced the cause of Jewish fighters and dishonored Jewish arms and the Jewish flag." They played down the fact that their militia had reinforced the terrorists' attack, even though they did not participate in the barbarism and looting during the subsequent "mopping up" operations.
They also played down the fact that, in Begin's words, "Deir Yassin was captured with the knowledge of the Haganah and with the approval of its commander" as a part of its "plan for establishing an airfield."

Ben Gurion even sent an apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But this horrific act served the future State of Israel well. According to Begin:


  • Arabs throughout the country, induced to believe wild tales of "Irgun butchery," were seized with limitless panic and started to flee for their lives. This mass flight soon developed into a maddened, uncontrollable stampede. The political and economic significance of this development can hardly be overestimated.

Of about 144 houses, 10 were dynamited. The cemetery was later bulldozed and, like hundreds of other Palestinian villages to follow, Deir Yassin was wiped off the map. By September, Orthodox Jewish immigrants from Poland, Rumania, and Slovakia were settled there over the objections of Martin Buber, Cecil Roth and other Jewish leaders, who believed that the site of the massacre should be left uninhabited. The center of the village was renamed Givat Shaul Bet. As Jerusalem expanded, the land of Deir Yassin became part of the city and is now known simply as the area between Givat Shaul and the settlement of Har Nof on the western slopes of the mountain.

The massacre of Palestinians at Deir Yassin is one of the most significant events in 20th-century Palestinian and Israeli history. This is not because of its size or its brutality, but because it stands as the starkest early warning of a calculated depopulation of over 400 Arab villages and cities and the expulsion of over 700,000 Palestinian inhabitants to make room for survivors of the Holocaust and other Jews from the rest of the world.
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Uzz said:
I see you (conveniently?) didn't address any of my points. Israel, the gov't, has broken resolution after resolution by the UN. We can all point to terrorist attacks on either side. But the government itself has committed atrocities, for example:

2008-9 Israel breaks a 6 month ceasefire with Hamas for 3 weeks, bombs the shit out of Gaza, reduces 25% on infrastructure to rubble (homes, mosques, schools, university, police station). +1400 Palestinians are killed, around 34% are children. White phosphorus bombs are used on the civilian population, it is condemned as a war crime.

Israel is clearly not interested in peace, they have continuously and perpetually looked to crush the Palestinian people, and they really don't give a toss about the UN, its resolutions or anyone but themselves for that matter.



Your argument is totally different to what I'm saying/have said previously. An end to a Zionist regime doesn't equate to 'Death to Israel'. You keep on pushing this anti-Jewish agenda when I've said anything but. The Jewish inhabitants are welcome to stay, so long as the land is given back and the illegal settlements are given back. The land distribution should be redone, and equal rights for all, including access to holy sites (something which is very difficult for Palestinians/Muslims wishing to visit Al Aqsa, presently.) None of these things will occur under a Zionist regime.
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Fine.

Specifically, what you would like to see happen in the geographic area we currently call "Israel"?

What you've described is very general: The Jews are welcome to stay, so long as the land is "given back" -- how much land?, to whom? How should the land distribution be "redone"?

I can't imagine Muslims having any serious problems getting into Al Aqsa! Apart, of course, from the problem of getting into Israel in the first place, which for obvious reasons is not an easy thing to do. It is Muslim holy site which is frequented by Muslims all the time -- under the protection of Israelis. I was even allowed to walk into it and I'm a Catholic. If you're right that the Israelis prohibit or make it "extremely difficult" Muslims from entering the Al Aqsa Mosque I completely agree with you that this is an outrage of the highest order.
 
The only thing the report confirms is that Israeli NGOs which collaborate with the BDS movement and funded by the EU manage to identify individuals who are willing to give their personal account of events knowing full well they'll be taken as gospel. Other soldiers would describe the same events differently. It's a free country here, and soldiers of varying political beliefs serve to protect it. Being a free country, these soldiers are not going to get sanctioned because we value freedom of speech, including personal interpretations or even made up stories.

Funny that you come here quoting murderous scum though. Would you trust their testimony, being the scummy people they are? Murderous scum you find in abundance in the ME. Millions of them. They pray five times a day, and keep themselves busy killing people in between. Including Palestinians. You don't give a shit about Palestinians' lives, that much is clear. It's Israel which irritates you, and for a reason. It's prosperous, vibrant, free and democratic. Everything that the Muslim world isn't.
 
holyland red said:
The only thing the report confirms is that Israeli NGOs which collaborate with the BDS movement and funded by the EU manage to identify individuals who are willing to give their personal account of events knowing full well they'll be taken as gospel. Other soldiers would describe the same events differently. It's a free country here, and soldiers of varying political beliefs serve to protect it. Being a free country, these soldiers are not going to get sanctioned because we value freedom of speech, including personal interpretations or even made up stories.

Funny that you come here quoting murderous scum though. Would you trust their testimony, being the scummy people they are? Murderous scum you find in abundance in the ME. Millions of them. They pray five times a day, and keep themselves busy killing people in between. Including Palestinians. You don't give a shit about Palestinians' lives, that much is clear. It's Israel which irritates you, and for a reason. It's prosperous, vibrant, free and democratic. Everything that the Muslim world isn't.
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Israel is a flawed democracy. Same as some Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia. It has miles to go before it can be compared to fully democratic states like

1Norway 9.93 Full democracy
2 Sweden 9.73 Full democracy
3 Iceland 9.58 Full democracy
4 New Zealand 9.26 Full democracy
5 Denmark 9.11 Full democracy
6 Switzerland 9.09 Full democracy
7 Canada 9.08 Full democracy
8 Finland 9.03 Full democracy
9 Australia 9.01 Full democracy
10 Netherlands 8.92 Full democracy
11 Luxembourg 8.88 Full democracy
12 Ireland 8.72 Full democracy
13 Germany 8.64 Full democracy
14 Austria 8.54 Full democracy
15 Malta 8.39 Full democracy
16 United Kingdom 8.31 Full democracy
17 Uruguay 8.17 Full democracy
17 Mauritius 8.17 Full democracy
19 United States 8.11 Full democracy
20 Japan 8.08 Full democracy
21 South Korea 8.06 Full democracy
22 Spain 8.05 Full democracy
23 France 8.04 Full democracy
24 Costa Rica 8.03 Full democracy


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index


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thegregster said:
Israel is a flawed democracy. Same as some Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia. It has miles to go before it can be compared to fully democratic states like

1Norway 9.93 Full democracy
2 Sweden 9.73 Full democracy
3 Iceland 9.58 Full democracy
4 New Zealand 9.26 Full democracy
5 Denmark 9.11 Full democracy
6 Switzerland 9.09 Full democracy
7 Canada 9.08 Full democracy
8 Finland 9.03 Full democracy
9 Australia 9.01 Full democracy
10 Netherlands 8.92 Full democracy
11 Luxembourg 8.88 Full democracy
12 Ireland 8.72 Full democracy
13 Germany 8.64 Full democracy
14 Austria 8.54 Full democracy
15 Malta 8.39 Full democracy
16 United Kingdom 8.31 Full democracy
17 Uruguay 8.17 Full democracy
17 Mauritius 8.17 Full democracy
19 United States 8.11 Full democracy
20 Japan 8.08 Full democracy
21 South Korea 8.06 Full democracy
22 Spain 8.05 Full democracy
23 France 8.04 Full democracy
24 Costa Rica 8.03 Full democracy


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Excellent link. The map in particular. See that flawed island of green surrounded by all shades of red aiming to destroy it. Murderous scum.

Some credit to Israeli democracy when 20% of its population share religion and ethnicity with those redmen.
 
thegregster said:
Israel is a flawed democracy. Same as some Muslim countries like Indonesia and Malaysia. It has miles to go before it can be compared to fully democratic states like

1Norway 9.93 Full democracy
2 Sweden 9.73 Full democracy
3 Iceland 9.58 Full democracy
4 New Zealand 9.26 Full democracy
5 Denmark 9.11 Full democracy
6 Switzerland 9.09 Full democracy
7 Canada 9.08 Full democracy
8 Finland 9.03 Full democracy
9 Australia 9.01 Full democracy
10 Netherlands 8.92 Full democracy
11 Luxembourg 8.88 Full democracy
12 Ireland 8.72 Full democracy
13 Germany 8.64 Full democracy
14 Austria 8.54 Full democracy
15 Malta 8.39 Full democracy
16 United Kingdom 8.31 Full democracy
17 Uruguay 8.17 Full democracy
17 Mauritius 8.17 Full democracy
19 United States 8.11 Full democracy
20 Japan 8.08 Full democracy
21 South Korea 8.06 Full democracy
22 Spain 8.05 Full democracy
23 France 8.04 Full democracy
24 Costa Rica 8.03 Full democracy


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index


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Oh come on, Israel is only just outside the range at 7.63. I didn't see one Middle Eastern regime, apart from Iraq, above 4, denoting an authoritarian regime.
 
holyland red said:
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Excellent link. The map in particular. See that flawed island of green surrounded by all shades of red aiming to destroy it. Murderous scum.

Some credit to Israeli democracy when 20% of its population share religion and ethnicity with those redmen.
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Like the Stern Gang,Irgun, etc.

You even have a shrine to these terrorists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_Museum
 
holyland red said:
The only thing the report confirms is that Israeli NGOs which collaborate with the BDS movement and funded by the EU manage to identify individuals who are willing to give their personal account of events knowing full well they'll be taken as gospel. Other soldiers would describe the same events differently. It's a free country here, and soldiers of varying political beliefs serve to protect it. Being a free country, these soldiers are not going to get sanctioned because we value freedom of speech, including personal interpretations or even made up stories.

Funny that you come here quoting murderous scum though. Would you trust their testimony, being the scummy people they are? Murderous scum you find in abundance in the ME. Millions of them. They pray five times a day, and keep themselves busy killing people in between. Including Palestinians. You don't give a shit about Palestinians' lives, that much is clear. It's Israel which irritates you, and for a reason. It's prosperous, vibrant, free and democratic. Everything that the Muslim world isn't.
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Classic hr nonsense.

"Israel was responsible for striking seven United Nations sites used as civilian shelters during the 2014 Gaza war in which 44 Palestinians died and 227 others were injured, an inquiry ordered by UN secretary general Ban Ki-moon has concluded.

Releasing the report on Monday, Ban condemned the attacks “as a matter of the utmost gravity” and said “those who looked to them for protection and who sought and were granted shelter there had their hopes and trust denied”.

Ban insisted that UN locations were “inviolable”.

The issue is particularly sensitive as the locations of all UN buildings – including schools used as shelters – are routinely provided to the Israeli military and updated in times of conflict."
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United Nations officials described the killing of sleeping children as a disgrace to the world and accused Israel of a serious violation of international law after a school in Gaza being used to shelter Palestinian families was shelled on Wednesday.

At least 15 people, mostly children and women, died when the school in Jabaliya refugee camp was hit by five shells during a night of relentless bombardment across Gaza. More than 100 people were injured.
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About 3,300 people had squashed into Jabaliya Elementary A&B Girls' School since the Israeli military warned people to leave their homes and neighbourhoods or risk death under intense bombardment. Classroom number one, near the school's entrance, had become home to about 40 people, mostly women and children.

As a shell blasted through the wall, showering occupants with shrapnel and spattering blood on walls and floors, Amna Zantit, 31, scrambled to gather up her three terrified infants in a panicked bid for the relative safety of the schoolyard. "Everyone was trying to escape," she said, clutching her eight-month old baby tightly. Minutes later, a second shell slammed through the roof of the two-storey school. At least 15 people were killed and more than 100 injured. Most were women or children.
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Murderous scum.

"HEBRON (Ma‘an) 6 Jan – Israeli troops shot and injured a Palestinian teenager during a [presumably Tuesday] dawn detention raid in the southern West Bank town of Beit Ummar where six men were detained including teenagers, a local official said. Muhammad Ayyad Awad of Beit Ummar committee against Israel’s separation wall and settlements told Ma‘an that 19-year-old Noor Muhammad Hamid Za‘aqiq was shot in front of his house. He added that Za‘aqiq was on his way home after he finished work at a gas station. He was hit in the left foot and was evacuated to al-Ahli hospital in Hebron by an ambulance of the Palestinian Red Crescent - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/palestinian-children-israeli#sthash.e0e9Zq9o.dpuf"

"UN: 1200 Palestinian children injured by Israeli forces in the West Bank in 2014 Middle East Monitor 4 Jan — Israeli forces injured a total of 1,190 Palestinian children in the West Bank during 2014, according to a UN agency report. The figure, contained within a weekly briefing covering the period 23-29 December, accounts for 20 percent of all Palestinian injuries. UN OCHA noted that 280 of the injuries were recorded in July in the Jerusalem governorate, in the context of confrontations with Israeli occupation forces after the murder of Mohammad Abu Khdeir, and in light of Israel’s attack on the Gaza Strip. More than in 1 in 5 of the child injuries were caused by Israeli forces’ use of live ammunition, with the rest from rubber-coated metal bullets, tear gas inhalation, and assault. Earlier this week, it was revealed that Israel had detained 1,266 Palestinian children in 2014, an average of seven children every two days. https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/n...ed-by-israeli-forces-in-the-west-bank-in-2014 - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/01/palestinian-children-israeli#sthash.e0e9Zq9o.dpuf"
 
thegregster said:
Like the Stern Gang,Irgun, etc.

You even have a shrine to these terrorists

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lehi_Museum
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Seriously? That's like still calling Germans Nazis. You should not forget what happened, but you need to move on to move forward. If Hezbollah renounced its terrorist intentions & joined in meaningful and peaceful talks on the future of A Palestinian state, then their activities would also become a footnote in history.
 
holyland red said:
Israeli - Palestinian Conflict

Quick reminder of a "good article".

By all means, enjoy your electronic hate. Just don't pretend to care for lives of Palestinians.
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If you can point to a post where I've defended IS, or even condoned their actions, then your post would make sense.

But I haven't.

Your moronic posts on this subject just show you do condone the thousands upon thousands of Palestinian's lives murdered by your racist, divisive regime. Your gov't have butchered scores of children, and you haven't even batted an eyelid. Pathetic.
 
Uzz said:
The Jewish inhabitants are welcome to stay, so long as the land is given back and the illegal settlements are given back. The land distribution should be redone, and equal rights for all, including access to holy sites (something which is very difficult for Palestinians/Muslims wishing to visit Al Aqsa, presently.) None of these things will occur under a Zionist regime.
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Completely agree. But, of you're going to be really really really fair then agree to throw Palestine Jordan 1.0 in the mix.
 
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