Israeli - Palestinian Conflict

Europeans should have paid the price for the crimes committed against jews, not muslims. Palestinians have been living in Jerusalem for hundreds of years and are being killed and thrown out by some Khazar jews that have absolutely nothing to do with the land.

Jews and Arabs have lived in Jerusalem for hundreds of years. Please stop inferring that it was exclusively Arab.

Btw, if Jews had nothing to do with the land, why does the Koran explicitly say the opposite?
 
Let's try to solve this problem. If you were in charge, what policy steps would you take to once and for all solve the Israeli-Palestinian situation in a manner that is acceptable to both sides ? Be specific and list why each step would work for both parties.

Well that's a huge question. For me it's either the one state solution where Jews and arabs can live together which is impossible because Israel will never cease being the jewish state, even more so with Likoud at the helm. The other solution is Israel conceding territories so that WB and Gaza can form a single state ie decolonization.
 
Jews and Arabs have lived in Jerusalem for hundreds of years. Please stop inferring that it was exclusively Arab.

Btw, if Jews had nothing to do with the land, why does the Koran explicitly say the opposite?

Koran explicitly says that jews were thrown out from the holy land for their wrongdoings too.
 
Faults, sure, but most of tend not to say 'everything is perfectly fine' and we'd certainly be far less inclined to do so if our homelands still had slavery.
Your homelands do have slavery, you've just become accustomed to it and you don't call it what it is.

But yeah you're right, everything is the wrong word.

Maybe "most things here are fine".
 
Your homelands do have slavery, you've just become accustomed to it and you don't call it what it is.

But yeah you're right, everything is the wrong word.

Maybe "most things here are fine".

Pretty subjective, but how would you rate the UAE's treatment of the following groups:

- Women
- Foreign labourers
- Religious minorities
 
Koran explicitly says that jews were thrown out from the holy land for their wrongdoings too.

So when you mentioned 'some balanced history books', did you have the Qur'an in mind?
 
.. well here speaks someone who did:
Here, we meet Hamdan ... he paid $1,624 (£1,000) to a Pakistani recruiter who told him he would have a job with the UAE's largest construction firm, Arabtec, as "a carpenter in Dubai", earning between $217 and $300 a month. When he arrived in Dubai, he was placed in a vast industrial zone outside the city, where he learned he would be working six days a week on the "museum site" in Abu Dhabi, earning just $160 a month. Arabtec had already taken his passport and he was trapped. His only choice was to work for 10 months – 11 hours a day, with an extra two hours' travel time, to repay the agent before he could start to save anything for his family.

"They cheat us," he says. "I would tell anyone not to come here."
So a Pakistani ripped him off and his company (not the government) won't give him his passport back. That's shocking.

That's almost as horrific as the elderly women and men that struggle every winter in the UK because they are unable to pay for their bills that the government refuse to help with.

Swings and roundabouts.
 
So a Pakistani ripped him off and his company (not the government) won't give him his passport back. That's shocking.

That's almost as horrific as the elderly women and men that struggle every winter in the UK because they are unable to pay for their bills that the government refuse to help with.

Swings and roundabouts.
Difference here is that Pete won't defend the governments treatment of pensioners whereas you're defending keeping people prisoners.

And the treatment of migrant works over there is definitely worse than pensioners struggling with the winter months.
 
Pretty subjective, but how would you rate the UAE's treatment of the following groups:

- Women
- Foreign labourers
- Religious minorities
I'm an atheist. I've had no problems.

My friends and some of the most successful people here are Arab Christians. There are European Churches here. Ba'Hai and Hindu presence.

Foreign labourers get paid. They work hard. Wouldn't like to do their job. But nobody forced them to come here.

As for women, what exactly do you want to know?
 
Difference here is that Pete won't defend the governments treatment of pensioners whereas you're defending keeping people prisoners.

And the treatment of migrant works over there is definitely worse than pensioners struggling with the winter months.
I'm defending it where?

Oh it's worse is it? Because you say so? OK that's fine then.
 
So a Pakistani ripped him off and his company (not the government) won't give him his passport back. That's shocking.

That's almost as horrific as the elderly women and men that struggle every winter in the UK because they are unable to pay for their bills that the government refuse to help with.

Swings and roundabouts.

Excellent example!

https://www.gov.uk/winter-fuel-payment/overview
 
Your homelands do have slavery, you've just become accustomed to it and you don't call it what it is.

But yeah you're right, everything is the wrong word.

Maybe "most things here are fine".

Actually no, a slavery has a definition. You can't just say that Bad Things are different forms of slavery.
 
I'm defending it where?

Oh it's worse is it? Because you say so? OK that's fine then.
So far here all you've done is be sarcastic and say "I wouldn't want their job", as if they've got an option "nobody forced them to come here" as if they were aware of what the job would entail. They were mislead into going there. They don't want to be there anymore and want to leave, can they? Nope. Their employer basically owns them and the government shafts them for the piss cheap labor.

It's definitely worse because those guys are suffering every single day and have no way out, whereas pensioners here actually do get a modicum of help, and even have the option of going to weatherspoons for a a bit of warmth of and a nice pint. Migrant workers there don't get a fraction of that kind of rest bite.
 
I'm an atheist. I've had no problems.

My friends and some of the most successful people here are Arab Christians. There are European Churches here. Ba'Hai and Hindu presence.

Foreign labourers get paid. They work hard. Wouldn't like to do their job. But nobody forced them to come here.

As for women, what exactly do you want to know?

To quote Bill Maher - Are there any gay bars in the area ?
 
So far here all you've done is be sarcastic and say "I wouldn't want their job", as if they've got an option "nobody forced them to come here" as if they were aware of what the job would entail. They were mislead into going there. They don't want to be there anymore and want to leave, can they? Nope. Their employer basically owns them and the government shafts them for the piss cheap labor.

It's definitely worse because those guys are suffering every single day and have no way out, whereas pensioners here actually do get a modicum of help, and even have the option of going to weatherspoons for a a bit of warmth of and a nice pint. Migrant workers there don't get a fraction of that kind of rest bite.
That wasn't sarcasm. I really wouldn't want their job.

If you're under the impression that they don't know what working conditions are like before arriving, you're wrong.

Also I'd like to point out that it's not all labourers that are going through these examples, which are really horrible.
 
Are you saying being over 62 is not elderly enough?

I don't think it could be much simpler tbh:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/311989/WFP1.pdf

Seems pretty easy to apply. You can do it by phone or via post. The questionnaire is only two pages long. So you have to be 62 to apply which seems not too bad since the original comment was about help for the elderly.

Surprising how simple that is compared to the horror stories I've heard about disability benefits and elderly assistance I've heard recently.

Well done to the government. I applaud their good work
 
Well that's a huge question. For me it's either the one state solution where Jews and arabs can live together which is impossible because Israel will never cease being the jewish state, even more so with Likoud at the helm. The other solution is Israel conceding territories so that WB and Gaza can form a single state ie decolonization.

So it's either a one state solution or a 2 state solution?

Back to square one :(
 
That wasn't sarcasm. I really wouldn't want their job.

If you're under the impression that they don't know what working conditions are like before arriving, you're wrong.

Also I'd like to point out that it's not all labourers that are going through these examples, which are really horrible.
Close to a millions slaves is pretty horrible. Even if it's not all of them, it's fecking bad.
 

The short version is that a new work colleague asked me if I was married and I replied "I'm engaged", but he thought I had said "I'm gay". He then asked me whether there were any gay bars in the area, so I then thought he was gay. So we both were under the impression that the other was gay when neither of us actually were.

True story.
 
So when you mentioned 'some balanced history books', did you have the Qur'an in mind?

Not at all, only if you believe in God and religion Qu'ran could go a long way to explain some questions.

So it's either a one state solution or a 2 state solution?

Back to square one :(

Key word here is decolonization, which obviously won't happen as long as Israel's policy is driven by neocons/likoud. Hence the need for resistance.
 
Close to a millions slaves is pretty horrible. Even if it's not all of them, it's fecking bad.
Oh there are a million slaves in the UAE?

Last stats I saw there were about 250k labourers in Dubai. That leaves Abu Dhabi with roughly the same.

That's 500k. So essentially all of them are slaves if what you're saying is correct. Now that would be a problem. But I don't believe those numbers are accurate.
 
The short version is that a new work colleague asked me if I was married and I replied "I'm engaged", but he thought I had said "I'm gay". He then asked me whether there were any gay bars in the area, so I then thought he was gay. So we both were under the impression that the other was gay when neither of us actually were.

True story.
You're both blatantly gay. Just accept it and marry him already.
 
The short version is that a new work colleague asked me if I was married and I replied "I'm engaged", but he thought I had said "I'm gay". He then asked me whether there were any gay bars in the area, so I then thought he was gay. So we both were under the impression that the other was gay when neither of us actually were.

True story.

I suppose the big question is why he asked about gay bars if he was straight.
 
Oh there are a million slaves in the UAE?

Last stats I saw there were about 250k labourers in Dubai. That leaves Abu Dhabi with roughly the same.

That's 500k. So essentially all of them are slaves if what you're saying is correct. Now that would be a problem. But I don't believe those numbers are accurate.
Those numbers are from Vice and The Guardian, who tend to be quite good.
 
Those numbers are from Vice and The Guardian, who tend to be quite good.
Ah. I didn't get those numbers or papers. I'll have to beat the living feck out of my maid for not making sure I had it at my breakfast table.

EDIT: Just found a piece on Google from Guardian that refers to high numbers but in Qatar.

Now that place is bad.
 
The short version is that a new work colleague asked me if I was married and I replied "I'm engaged", but he thought I had said "I'm gay". He then asked me whether there were any gay bars in the area, so I then thought he was gay. So we both were under the impression that the other was gay when neither of us actually were.

True story.


How many times had you two buggered each other before one of you finally spoke up?
 
Not at all, only if you believe in God and religion Qu'ran could go a long way to explain some questions.

Right so what are these balanced history books you're on about? You know, the ones where you learned about how untrustworthy the Jews have been for 4000 years?