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Victory for Palestine Action as Elbit’s landlords SELL its drone factory
https://www.thecanary.co/uk/news/2025/02/14/londonmetric-elbit-palestine-action/Words to live by. Some stains are permanent.
We have confirmed with multiple patient reports that in the last 1-2 weeks the Israeli government has unilaterally & sneakily begun forcing patients who medically evacuating from Gaza to sign paperwork at the exiting checkpoints saying they cannot return to Gaza. None of the NGOs helping with the coordination of the medical evacs were informed by the entity or any governing body this would happen.Ethnic cleansing aside, mothers are being forced to leave their children behind to travel with a sick child and almost every family is being forced to leave family members behind. And now they are being told that they will not be able to see them again.
This could be a scene from Come And See.
The level of depravity Israel has displayed over the last year and more, under the tutelage of America, is the worst I have ever seen.
The worst I have ever seen.
The worst I have ever seen.
And after everything we've seen, it's still feck you to you know who.
When the parallels come pre-drawn:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/17/miami-shooting-israeli-men
Wild story. A pro-Israeli bigot opens fire on who he assumes to be a pair of Palestinians in Miami, except they turn out to be....also Israeli bigots.
Wild story. A pro-Israeli bigot opens fire on who he assumes to be a pair of Palestinians in Miami, except they turn out to be....also Israeli bigots.
Reporters at The Onion must be tearing their hair out
While that's hardly surprising to read at this point - it also has come much faster even than I expected. Goes to show you how dangerous the tech is and will be in the wrong hands and yet seemingly everyone outside of Europe removed all restraint.
And yet silence from all the right-wing evangelicals who support Israel.
The Israelis being shot then write "death to Arabs" on social media. Now, having learnt that their shooter was Jewish, they say "nobody deserves to be shot."
It is such a perfect story, the most absurdly crude caricature of Israel and pro-Israelis in one scene.
I felt the same when i learnt about well-poisoning. Oh, there are rumours of Jews poisoning wells for millenia, which led to pogroms and persecution? The first thing Israel does as it comes into existence is poison Palestinian wells.
Years ago I saw documentary where a holocaust survivor reflected that israel learned all the wrong lessons from the holocaust.
I can understand how experiencing WWII as a member of a targeted group could teach someone that they have to be as cruel as their opponents in order to defeat them.
A friend of mine’s father was 15 in WWII in Poland, and he felt the brutality of the situation make his father extremely hard and harsh.
Not the right lesson, but understandable.
"This factory kills kids."is the stakes and it's still feck you know who forever.
No this is Evil personified
surely it's both?
assuming Oli from London didn't make that up, but he looks like a trustworthy source
I really hope you're kidding. He's not a journalist, but an influencer and his history of trying to get into relevance is wild.
of course yeah he looks like a psychopatha lot of his tweets are deranged pro-israel nonsense
And he wrote a book called, "Gender Madness: One Man's Devastating Struggle with Woke Ideology and His Battle to Protect Children"
I got spooked for a second
a lot of his tweets are deranged pro-israel nonsense
And he wrote a book called, "Gender Madness: One Man's Devastating Struggle with Woke Ideology and His Battle to Protect Children"
He went from identifying as South Korean and having facial reconstruction surgeries to look more Korean, did like 5 different 180s and now landed on right-wing grift where he's the poster child for how detransitioners supposedly prove that trans people shouldn't get treatment.
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Yes, it's both.
As for the infant, he was taken with his 4 year old brother and mother. Their bodies were returned today. It's possible they were killed in an IDF airstrike - this is what Hamas says - but ofcourse they should never have been in Gaza in the first place.
German zionists are the worst.
Another two examples in addition to what we've seen over the last 16 months which of course extends to the caf.
@Zehner not going to derail the other thread further, i was responding to your point about the conflict being complex etc... not the comparison with Russia, you seem to be rattled lets talk it out here.
So pathetic on this matter.
Similar incidents are reported every week. I mean the crackdown from the US and UK on dissenting voices toward Israel has been awful but Germany still beats them easily on that matter.
Please explain to me how exactly how I'm having a "complete nightmare" right now.
Then I'm not sure what your point is. Do you think the conflict is not complex?
Not particularly complex at all no, like I said it's a simple case of settler colonialism which violent movements like Hamas are born out of.
The solution is simple, there should be a state where all people live together as equal citizens. But what we have here is a violent expansionist ethnostate that wants to wipe out the indigenous population and claim everything for themselves.
This obviously goes against democratic and human rights values which western countries supposedly stand for. Hence, why people point out the double standards of the likes of Germany and the US, who are obviously the bad guys in this situation who hold up the status quo and parrot worthless ideas about 2 state solutions.
I was pushing back on your points that all this conflict was about is firing rockets, while completely ignoring everything else that happened before and failing to understand why the occupied normally respond violently to being occupied and being put under siege.
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Yes after listening to Hebh Jamal the suppression is taken to another level there.
Because you equalled the unprovoked invasion of Ukraine to the 10/7 attack which is patently untrue. Unless you go with the western (convenient) narrative that the "war" started on October 7th 2023.
The West Bank is occupied and constantly eaten away since 1967, Gaza under illegal blockade since 2005 and basically an open air prison, under total control of Israel and submitted to regular bombings called "mowing the lawn".
The daily horrors, arbitrary detentions, summary executions, and humiliations the Palestinians have to endure because of the Apartheid imposed on them, added to the constant forced expropriations and ever growing illegal settlements by Israel, gives them every right to resist and defend themselves. But that's the part that is always conveniently left out by the West, especially Germany whose stance since October 2023 has been nothing less than utterly shameful and this will remain (yet another) stain in its History.
If 10/7 targeted only military objectives and not civilians, it would've been an act of resistance against an occupying force, which is legal under international law. However, by killing and kidnapping civilians, it became also a terrorist act. And if Hamas is a terrorist group then Israel is a terrorist, racist and expansionist ethno-state. Also the notion of Israel facing an existential threat belongs to the fairy tales. If one people is actually in real danger of disappearing that would be the Palestinians.
In short, the two situations are completely different. You're comparing apples and oranges due to a very superficial knowledge of the Middle-East in general and Palestine in particular, which the disgustingly one-sided german media coverage certainly didn't help.
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First of all, I never said that the conflict was all about firing rockets. I brought them up as an example as to why Israel's war on Gaza and Russia's war on Ukraine aren't comparable, the bottom line being that Ukraine never posed a security risk while Gaza is in large parts governed by a terrorist organization which literally has the objective of killing all jews written in its Charta and backs that goal up by constantly launching missiles at Israel. That's an undisputable fact and it obviously changes how the war is perceived by the population of the war mongering country as well as allies around the world. How Hamas was born is a completely different question. Of course they have been radicalized by Israel but on the other hand, antisemitism predates Israel.
Second, the conflict is obviously complex because of said antisemitism. It's not as if Israel could just accept and everybody lives happy every after as "equal citizens" because antisemitism is omnipresent and the jews would become a minority. Hamas might or might not have a majority amongst palestinians right now but who can assure that it won't gain one in times of extreme right-wing populism, changes the constitution, puts its money where its mouth is and sees through what its Charta reads? If you were an Israeli with a family would you take that risk?
Note that I'm not taking a stance for a two state solution here, not at all, I'm just pointing out how the conflict is much more layered than you describe it. I think it is absolutely heartbreaking that such conflicts exist in modern days because of nationalism and religion but it's simply a fact that there are extremists on both sides that threaten the innocents of the other party if given enough power.
You are wrong about the Hamas charter, it was changed in 2017 so not a indisputable fact. The current position is to revert to 1967 borders. Furthermore, the only people being wiped out here are the Palestinians, you can't have one set of standards for one party and another for the other. By most definitions the Israeli state has carried out many terrorist acts themselves.
The conflict exists because Europeans genocided Jews and instead of taking responsibility imposed these people onto a foreign land/people who had no involvement in the genocide. At the same time they artificially exported European antisemitism to the middle East as a result.
You either believe in democracy or not, a true democracy protects minorites and is non violent in escence. It seems there's colonial arrogance here where only the white man can have democracy while excuses are made for other people around the world who are too violent and uncivilised to have it.