Protests have been cracked down in some European countries too.
In the ME dictatorships no protests are allowed for anything.
In the ME dictatorships no protests are allowed for anything.
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they also shot down one of the iranian missiles aimed at israel, that passed over jordan.
Translated from a Hebrew article:
The IDF will not allow Gazans to return to their homes in Jabalya - even after the raid ends
The "Champions Plan" on the way to implementation and the northern third in the Strip is expected to remain sparse from the population - unless a hijacking deal changes the picture: the pivot axis from Gaza to the sea will remain as of now, even after the 162nd Division forces finish the raid. The result: 65,000 who fled to Gaza City will remain there and may also be pushed south
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/yokra14189507#google_vignette
The next step of the generals plan, which of course isn't being implemented, is being implemented
The IDF will not allow Gazans to return to their homes in Jabalya - even after the raid ends
The "Champions Plan" on the way to implementation and the northern third in the Strip is expected to remain sparse from the population - unless a hijacking deal changes the picture: the pivot axis from Gaza to the sea will remain as of now, even after the 162nd Division forces finish the raid. The result: 65,000 who fled to Gaza City will remain there and may also be pushed south
https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/yokra14189507#google_vignette
The next step of the generals plan, which of course isn't being implemented, is being implemented
looks like it doesn't belong, somewhat like an AI image
It looks like Israel will withdraw from north Gaza as part of the ceasefire deal, so much for everyone saying that the plan was to resettle it.
And something we've learned is that israel always follows agreements and never lies about their actions.
It probably dawned on them that all the environmental destruction , contamination and the amount of money needed to rebuild the place that it's probably not worth it.
Not like it's a big secret, but at least media like the BBC are reporting it.
Facebook has severely restricted the ability of Palestinian news outlets to reach an audience during the Israel-Gaza war, according to BBC research.
Facebook has severely restricted the ability of Palestinian news outlets to reach an audience during the Israel-Gaza war, according to BBC research.
Like Palestines agreement to receive Gaza in 2005 for peace.. like that one?
"receive" Gaza
Short thread
A genocide apologist clutching at straws to try to justify the murder of tens of thousands of innocents.
Yes, Gaza was given to the land of Israel in reference to the United Nations resolution 181** not 151. Are you aware of what circumstances Palestine received Gaza back in 2005?
Israel won another war yet decided to appease the Palestinian authority with Gaza in order for peace.
Didn’t happen.
I’m all for Israel not occupying Gaza and Palestine but only when they have leaders that aren’t extremist who want to wipe out Israel are appointed. I’ve heard from many Palestinians who would be great leaders.
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So many issues with this I don't know where to start. Leaving aside the colonial and unequal nature of the partition plans, every single partition plan, UN or otherwise, has Gaza as Palestinian territory. The UN resolution you link to seems to be about Mali. Perhaps you meant 181, which has Gaza (and more of the surrounding) as Palestinian land.
So I'll just add a general statement in response to the last line: Jewish settlement has won, repeatedly, and their only mistake was not completing the genocide in 1948 itself. Bibi is a visionary who has put Israel in a position where that incomplete work will finally be dealt with by further cleansing and total demoralisation of the existing population. The final solution is close; celebrate your win.
UN Security Council Resolution 151 admitted Chad into the United Nations: https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/112123?v=pdf.
Yeah but did you check the white text in that resolution?
I dont see how this was an issue of colonialism instead of responding to a genocide of six and a half million. Jews have been in those lands for thousands of years, and then you have the historical context of the Jews being kicked out of that land by the Roman’s was ir?
So after 48 when was Gaza taken by Israel?
And your jump to claim I’m saying genocide should have happened there is insane. I’m saying the fighting should have ended there… the death toll after October 7 is how many now? Very short of actual numbers if Israel wanted to commit genocide.
If anything this seems to be “hey remember when you gave you back Gaza, you didn’t clean your room, you started a lot of shit and you even killed a lot more people. Looks like we’re taking your room back and you can go to your other room”
Thank you, corrected it to the actual number - 181.
“United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181, also known as the Partition Plan, was a 1947 resolution that called for the division of Palestine into two states: one Jewish and one Arab: ”
Yes, that's true. Here is the map:
But doesn't this show that the UN didn't give Gaza to Israel, considering that it would have been part of the Arab state that never materialised?
See also: https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-185393/.
Unless there is another document or documents post-1967?
You don't see "how" it was an issue of colonialism? There was an existing population on that land. A population, which, we now know by genetic studies, has been on that land for over two thousand years. A part of that old population had moved or been expelled from that land and lived in Europe for thousands of years. The other Europeans persecuted this population with several pogroms culminating in a massive genocide.
But when they came to that land to escape that persecution, before and especially after that genocide, they came explicitly as settlers colonising that land. They proudly called themselves settlers and called the land a colony, and they reached an understanding with the colonial powers in that region (first they tried with the Ottomans, who were quickly replaced by the British and French). They did not prioritise any connection with the existing Jews on that land, or an understanding with the non-Jews, who made the majority of its inhabitants.
I have quoted Herzl and Jabotinsky about a thousand times in this thread, you can also read Ben Guiron or Moshe Dayan, and you can see the very explicit colonial logic throughout.
It is possible to see Israel as a response to genocide, though it is very much worth noting that the Zionist enterprise and the British commitment to it happened decades before Hitler. But if that is possible to see, then it is impossible not to see its very explicit colonial character.
For the remainder about Gaza: Israel didn't take Gaza in 1948, resolution 181 - again, a colonial resolution to the problem - gave Gaza to the Palestinians.
Are we dealing with a Mark Pawalek v2?
These posts actually make me angry, holy shit.
The complete disdain, dehumanization and callousness towards Palestinians is insane.
XX/XXX,000 Palestinians have died BUT THE TRUE INJUSTICE IS THAT SOME JEWS GOT CALLED NAZI's!
All those logical issues would hardly interest the far-right, which is motivated by religion, and therefore by illogic.
The sad part is that we will all accept this once it is done and dusted. Whole western world, whole arab world, pretty much everyone. Israel will be praised for stopping genocide, when there is nobody left to kill. And Israel will become partner to everyone, just like it never stopped being to most.
Whoever dares to ask questions will be stigmatized as anti-semite and a backwards person, because powers that be have decided so.
Whoever dares to ask questions will be stigmatized as anti-semite and a backwards person, because powers that be have decided so.
Lt. Col. Ran Cohen, deputy commander of Kfir Brigade currently leading Israeli forces in Beit Lahia, spoke in an interview aired yesterday on Channel 12“By the end of our mission Beit Lahia will be annihilated with all the infrastructure, both above & below ground”
I was rather astound by it so I took the time to check it out.
It's not as if the place was built in the last 14 months for people to look at the destruction of Gaza. It's an observatory that was created ten years ago and has a 360 degree view that includes the sea and several cities and towns in Israel. And yes, of the Gaza strip as well.
That wasn't really my point mate. It's not the building, it's how it's being used and how kids are helped to get a better view and what they are viewing.
I've tried searching the authenticity of the post and can't find anything to say it's not true and there are countless reports showing this isn't a one off, or UNIQUE.
I just find it beyond comprehension how people can enjoy watching the suffering of others in this way, especially as a society and one that has endured some of the greatest crimes against their people in modern history. The fact the place they call their home was given to them after one of these events, and that what was given was taken from those who they are watching suffer and forcing from their land only makes it all the more sickening.
The same as when the Palestians cheered when dead Israelis were paraded through their towns, it's just fecking barbaric, inhumane and beyond my understanding. I cannot begin to fathom the hate felt to make your kids watch it and see it.
Yet in the UFO thread we have people claiming we are an intelligent species.
Lots of that is barbaric, unethical and immoral. But that doesn't mean we aren't a highly intelligent species.
Local sources: Power outage in neighborhoods in Jenin camp after PA forces targeted the electricity transformer.
Israeli Broadcasting Authority: The Israeli army is satisfied with the Palestinian operation in Jenin and calls for strengthening the Palestinian Authority
Israeli Broadcasting Authority: The Israeli army is satisfied with the Palestinian operation in Jenin and calls for strengthening the Palestinian Authority
They have been working for over a week now to appease Trump and the occupation while Smotrich is at the same time trying to exchange the deal in Gaza for "full control" over the West Bank.
Yeah, it does. I was disputing intelligence, you took it further and added 'highly'....
What is it with the arrogance and hubris of our species?
I will reiterate, we cannot call ourselves intelligent all the time we are killing each other, killing every species on earth, many to extinction, and destroying the very planet and all the natural resources that gave us life.
We especially cannot call ourselves intelligent if out of all 8 billion of us, the one with the most money has used some of that to gain control of the government of the most powerful country on Earth and he being the one that is looking towards other planets for us to move to knowing full well we won't save the one we are on.
As I said, you all have a fecking low bar or a warped view on what you call intelligent.
Intelligence comes in many forms. Emotional intelligence being a form that many look down upon as weakness. Yet those with money or power are looked upon as being Uber intelligent.
We have it all it's just as a species we are too selfish, greedy, arrogant or weak to do the right things about it.
Also, we have humour, and irony. The peak of both being an Aussie telling us all how collectively smart we are.
Just a horrible human being, you can see them a mile off in this thread.
Yes, I'd assume that kids are helped to get a better view. What's wrong with that? Like I said, it's a ten-year old 360 degree observatory that allows to see a whole lot more than Gaza. That 'help' would have existed prior to the war.
Now, have some of the visitors in the last year enjoyed especially watching Gaza and what's happening there, or even came especially for that? Yeah, I'd assume so. And it it's terrible.
But I don't know about schools bringing kids there in order to see what's happening in Gaza. It would be common for school trips to go to such observatories, whether there's a view to Gaza or not.
Would that even be safe or responsible? I'd imagine those observatories are within firing distance of rocket fire, not sure as a school I'd want my kids to be within potential earshot of some mortar volleys or a stray katyusha.