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Mavs said:
The Syrian troops were supposed to enforce the border security around the buffer zone on the Syrian side. They have now abandoned those positions, and as a result the rebels attacked and invaded the UN held buffer zone on Saturday. Following that attack and the change in the nature of the government and security within Syria, Israel expanded their presence beyond the existing buffer zone. It is meant to be temporary until a new Syrian government is formed and affirms the border security agreements, personally I think it will be only temporary but we'll see.
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NicolaSacco said:
This is exactly my view. I think they've no interest in holding that land permanently. But as you say, we shall see.
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This is what you want to bilieve to justify your support for Israel's war crimes but this is not what the regime in Israel is saying. PM Netanyahu said the 1974 disengagement agreement had "collapsed". And almost everyone in Israel is calling the unopposed takeover of Mount Hermon ('Mountain of the Sheikh'), way beyond the buffer zone, a “historic achievement”.

The finance minister of Israel said recently in an interview that "Israel's eternal capital, Jerusalem, will include Damascus"

 
Pintu said:
This is what you want to bilieve to justify your support for Israel's war crimes but this is not what the regime in Israel is saying. PM Netanyahu said the 1974 disengagement agreement had "collapsed". And almost everyone in Israel is calling the unopposed takeover of Mount Hermon ('Mountain of the Sheikh'), way beyond the buffer zone, a “historic achievement”.

The finance minister of Israel said recently in an interview that "Israel's eternal capital, Jerusalem, will include Damascus"

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I'm prepared to say with absolute confidence, that regardless of what that guy says, there is no way in hell that Damascus becomes part of Israel, nor that Israel will attempt to make it so. I'd file that statement along with Trump talking about making Canada the 51st state, or annexing Greenland. Never gonna be attempted, never gonna happen.
 
NicolaSacco said:
I'm prepared to say with absolute confidence, that regardless of what that guy says, there is no way in hell that Damascus becomes part of Israel, nor that Israel will attempt to make it so. I'd file that statement along with Trump talking about making Canada the 51st state, or annexing Greenland. Never gonna be attempted, never gonna happen.
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I do not expect it in our lifetime, but we are heading there, the Israeli land grab since the establishment of their state is only going in one direction. Either way, you will keep finding/inventing excuses to justify the way the Israeli regime has been burning thousands of children alive until that “nonexistent” goal of grater Israel is achieved.


Not really comparable with the US. The US do officially declare its final borders. Israel still refuses to. The US don't have Cabinet members who religiously believe that "God" promised them parts of Canada.
 
Pintu said:
I do not expect it in our lifetime, but we are heading there, the Israeli land grab since the establishment of their state is only going in one direction. Either way, you will keep finding/inventing excuses to justify the way the Israeli regime has been burning thousands of children alive until that “nonexistent” goal of grater Israel is achieved.


Not really comparable with the US. The US do officially declare its final borders. Israel still refuses to. The US don't have Cabinet members who religiously believe that "God" promised them parts of Canada.
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No, but there are many who sincerely believe that Jesus would rise once Israel achieves complete hegemony. Christian Zionism is a helluva drug in the states.
 
Pintu said:
Either way, you will keep finding/inventing excuses to justify the way the Israeli regime has been burning thousands of children alive
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Wow. I’m sure you would agree that making up a claim like that would be the lowest of the low. You seem a moral person, so you would never lie about another person justifying children being burned alive. Given that that is the case please can you provide evidence? And if you can’t it would be good if you could acknowledge what shitty behaviour it is to make horrific things like that up.
 


Dr. Jouda had returned to work due to the critical shortage of orthopedic surgeons in northern Gaza and continued treating patients round the clock, even after being injured two weeks earlier in an attack on Kamal Adwan Hospital.

His death is a particularly devastating blow to Gaza’s healthcare system, already under immense strain, as it effectively ends orthopedic services in the region.

Dr. Hussam Abu Safiyeh, Director of Kamal Adwan Hospital, described the attack: “Saeed was on his way from Kamal Adwan Hospital to Al-Awda Hospital, in order to assist in some of the cases upon Al-Awda’s request. Whilst on his way, a quadcopter fired at him and the bullet entered his eye socket and exited at the back of his skull, so he was immediately martyred.”

Dr. Jouda had very recently buried both his son and nephew, who were also killed in the conflict, but he refused to abandon his post, working in operating rooms despite personal tragedies, Dr. Safiya told Drop Site News.

His loss comes on the same day that charge nurse Kareem Jalladat was also killed by a reconnaissance missile near Kamal Adwan Hospital.

The Palestinian Ministry of Health reports that Dr. Jouda is among 1,057 healthcare workers killed since the war began and has urgently called on international organizations to protect medical staff and facilities in Gaza, where the healthcare sector is on the verge of collapse.
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https://truthout.org/articles/white...pite-icc-warrant-for-crimes-against-humanity/

Gallant posted on social media that he met with President Joe Biden’s Middle East envoy, Brett McGurk, on Tuesday to discuss a deal to release the Israeli hostages being held in Gaza.
On November 21, the ICC put out a warrant for Gallant to be arrested and brought to the Hague for alleged crimes against humanity and the war crimes of using starvation as a method of warfare and intentionally directing an attack against civilians in Gaza.
 
A doctor believed to be the last remaining orthopaedic surgeon in northern Gaza has been killed by Israeli tankfire, according to Palestinian officials. Dr Sayeed Joudeh died on Thursday while he was on his way to work.

He was a surgeon at Kamal Adwan and al-Awda hospitals in northern Gaza. The Israeli military said it was unaware of the incident, but it was investigating.
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berbatrick said:
Anti-Israeli morons were complaining about the thousands of child amputees in Gaza, Israel ended the person amputating them, and these anti-semites are still complaining.
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If you aren't joking, what the feck is wrong with you?
If you are joking, what the feck is wrong with you?
 
The modern day Nazi Zionists have no limits or bounds. We are witnessing with our own eyes, and history will back it up.
 


Google translate of the article in Arabic from an Israeli website:

The goal of the campaign, as they explain at the headquarters, is in their opinion to "prevent empty hopes among the Arab public in the region" and to encourage the growing desire to emigrate. "Last year, we noticed a phenomenon in the West Bank growing as a result of the war in Gaza, of Arabs deciding to emigrate abroad or discussing it publicly after realizing that the Israeli public has decided that a Palestinian state will not be established near Ben Gurion Airport." In addition, they say, "After Simhat Torah (the October 7 attack), we all understood: You cannot live next to the enemy. It's either us or them. In the end, the Israeli people will control all of the Land of Israel and only those who accept this will remain here. It's time to stop lying to them - 'There is no future in Palestine

While the headquarters of "We Fight for Life" added, concluding its statement, that "the war for the country is not just a war, it is a spiritual war for the goal of the people of Israel, and if we give in or ignore it, we will face another massacre. We learned in Gaza that if we do not subjugate the enemy - he will subjugate us. What is true for Gaza - is also true for Judea and Samaria (the biblical name for the West Bank). Occupation, expulsion and settlement."
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In the replies to the tweet, Israelis and their supporters are split 50-50 between saying this is fake (either put up by Palestinians, or actually a warning against Jews, or just totally a fake photo), and saying that it is real and correct and good.

Reminds me of the caricature about how Holocaust deniers talk: "Never happened, but it was so great that it happened."
 

Israel to close embassy in Ireland over 'antisemitic' policies​

Israel will close its embassy in Dublin over "the extreme anti-Israel policies of the Irish government", its foreign minister has said.
Gideon Saar said the Republic of Ireland had crossed "every red line".
In a statement, he said Israel's ambassador to Dublin had been recalled in the past following what it called Ireland's "unilateral decision to recognise a Palestinian state".
He added that the decision followed Ireland's announcement of its support for South Africa's legal action against Israel in the International Court of Justice (ICJ), accusing the country of "genocide".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq62mge27r0o

Good to know that there are still red lines.
 
Frosty said:

Israel to close embassy in Ireland over 'antisemitic' policies​

Israel will close its embassy in Dublin over "the extreme anti-Israel policies of the Irish government", its foreign minister has said.
Gideon Saar said the Republic of Ireland had crossed "every red line".
In a statement, he said Israel's ambassador to Dublin had been recalled in the past following what it called Ireland's "unilateral decision to recognise a Palestinian state".
He added that the decision followed Ireland's announcement of its support for South Africa's legal action against Israel in the International Court of Justice (ICJ), accusing the country of "genocide".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cq62mge27r0o

Good to know that there are still red lines.
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The audacity of that nasty little weasel of a state. Israel, not Ireland.
 
Entire families were just killed, gathered together in a place that Israel said was safe, and then killed, burned and tore into pieces.Among the names revealed are Asaad Tafesh, his wife and children Samer, Nasser and Majd.The number of martyrs rose to 25 in that painful massacre.



What's happening right now in the area is crazy: intense explosions as a result of the attacks in the northern Gaza Strip.Shaking the houses as far as Ashdod.

 
This is again the safe zone where they've never stopped slaughtering entire families.
 
Tibs said:
The modern day Nazi Zionists have no limits or bounds. We are witnessing with our own eyes, and history will back it up.
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This would be a nice consolation but I don't think it's true.
Palestine itself is being ended - the people and the places. Wherever they go, the Zionist occupation takes care to erase any non-Jewish history of that area.
Most of the non-Arab/Muslim non-western countries don't care either way, and don't have any Palestinian diaspora.
In the mostly western countries directly facilitating this genocide, where there is an activist base that does care, it is being repressed, fired from jobs, and erased from school and college courses. The pipelines that produced these activists will be gone for the next generation.
This leaves the Arab and Muslim world, where there is a lot of support, but also a lot of repression from governments that need to protect their interests and their own legitimacy.

The Israelis don't just want to win - they want to kill their blood enemies while being seen by the rest of the world as the good guys removing assigned-terrorist-at-birth modern usurpers from their Jewish holy land.
 
langster said:
And Israelis wonder why they face so much hate and resentment. In any true society this would be considered child abuse.
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Somehow it's almost worse than that. It is child abuse, of course, because it abuses Israeli children into a hateful doctrine. They are using the kind of tools one uses to spot whales to invite schools of Israeli children to view the ongoing genocide in Gaza. It might be among the most fecked up things in history that I have ever witnessed. And we all know how bleak history is.

I don't like conflating Nazism with Zionism but it has gone that way. The Ultra-Orthodox-Ben-Gvir Zionists are fascists. It's an insult to original zionism whatever you think or do not think about that movement. I have been critical of that movement, all my adult life, (og Zionism), but it was nothing like this. It's night and day. One was a cry for a homeland for an ethnically persecuted minority - this other is the persecution of an ethnic minority (within Israel, or from the River to the Sea). That is, original zionism, we might say, was a colonial project because it displaced a people for the sake of homing another people - but you can almost understand it, despite its very many flaws. This one is monstrous. It has nothing to it except the othering of all non-compliant right-wing Zionists.
 
We published in today's edition with Amalia Doak - In preparation for the cabinet meeting, the Yesha Council and heads of authorities in Judea and Samaria approached the cabinet members and asked them to copy the northern Gaza model to Judea and Samaria - to evacuate the refugee camps from the population and conduct in-depth operations there to thwart terrorism.Cabinet official - This is a far-reaching move, Judea and Samaria is not Gaza, but it is clear that we will have to look for additional tools to deal with terrorism in Judea and Samaria.Incidentally, Defense Minister Yisrael Katz himself suggested this just before he entered the Defense Ministry.

 
This has gotten so bleak, I'm surprised there has not been greater unrest in the Arab world, or in countries like France that have a large muslim population. I would have expected huge protests by now had someone said n Oct 8th that this would lead to an over year long sustained campaign of slaughter with likely well over 50,000 dead. Seems like almost everywhere people are beaten down now and ultimately apathetic.
 
Demyanenko_square_jaw said:
This has gotten so bleak, I'm surprised there has not been greater unrest in the Arab world, or in countries like France that have a large muslim population. I would have expected huge protests by now had someone said n Oct 8th that this would lead to an over year long sustained campaign of slaughter with likely well over 50,000 dead. Seems like almost everywhere people are beaten down now and ultimately apathetic.
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I was wondering about Jordan and whether there were big protests there and read that the Jordanian government cracks down on protests.

Jordanian security forces have responded to the protests with force at times and have arrested protest leaders from across society, including politicians, journalists and union figures, drawing criticism from human rights groups.
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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024...ent-and-pro-palestinian-protesters-facing-off

The Jordanian authorities must immediately cease their crackdown on pro-Gaza protests and immediately release dozens of activists who have been illegally detained solely because of their peaceful criticism of the government’s policies towards Israel, Amnesty International said today.

Since 7 October 2023, the Jordanian authorities have arrested at least 1,500 people, including about 500 detained since March following huge protests outside the Israeli Embassy in Amman in March.
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https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...ng-their-freedoms-of-assembly-and-expression/
 
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