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Raven said:
That still doesn't make any sense to me really.
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In a nutshell, the Palestinians are entitled to the protections of the ICJ, that Palestinians are indeed v vulnerable; whether or not genocide is occurring is TBC, however Israel in the meantime has to take measures to make sure there isn’t one.
 
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nickm said:
In a nutshell, the Palestinians are entitled to the protections of the ICJ.
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That's how I surmised her long winded response as well. They are entitled to protections, but the ruling made no reference to the actual events on the ground preceding its release which is what most were interested in.
 
Raven said:
That still doesn't make any sense to me really.
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I just now understand that this is about a judge in the genocide case giving an interview. I find it weird that a judge in a case like this is giving an interview, but ok. That seems more like purely legal talk about the South African arguments and their initial findings. She says in the interview, "There is a risk of irreparable harm to the Palestinian right to be protected from genocide." Why would there be that kind of risk unless some of the acts Israel is taking are genocidal?

This is from the case documents.
"In the Court’s view, the facts and circumstances mentioned above are sufficient to conclude that at least some of the rights claimed by South Africa and for which it is seeking protection are plausible. This is the case with respect to the right of the Palestinians in Gaza to be protected from acts of genocide and related prohibited acts identified in Article III, and the right of South Africa to seek Israel’s compliance with the latter’s obligations under the Convention".
"In light of the considerations set out above, the Court considers that there is urgency, in the sense that there is a real and imminent risk that irreparable prejudice will be caused to the rights found by the Court to be plausible, before it gives its final decision".

This is a more detailed response to the interview.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1783846217027293681.html
 
To add people aren't actually saying it's genocide because of a case that will take years. It's because of what they see with their own eyes. People took that an international organization, despite them playing politics proceeding with the case and acknowledging the suffering of Palestinians as a win against the prevalent racism toward them. And yes you can see from the court's findings that there's a serious risk of genocide toward Palestinians in Gaza.

Some prefer to stay silent till the court makes its final ruling or engage in atrocity denialism during that time. Others believe that they should do something before the death toll reaches 100,000 or more.
 
The Corinthian said:
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The case has collapsed, but also has the unrwa and people are being killed, so mission accomplished.

The whole "let's believe israel until we figure it out" mindset needs to change to "let's assume israel is lying until we figure it out", otherwise they'll keep winning every single time.
 
VorZakone said:
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I doubted was going anywhere from the beginning. They leaked it through their stenographer. If they were going to do it, why not just announce it right away?

These weren't even sanctions, it was an application of a US law. They are admitting that their colony is a rogue state and they are loving it.
 
Ever wanted a thread of Israel's most egregious lies supported with documentation over the last 6 months? Wonderful work.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Israel lies pathologically!<br>Aof dozens of conclusively debunked Israeli gov lies since Oct 7, off the top of my head<br><br>1- The IDF blatantly claimed this underground WATER TANK was a &quot;Hamas tunnel&quot; their ground troops discovered at the Qatari hospital in Gaza on Nov 5 2023… <a href="https://t.co/sI2Y8Ky3YE">pic.twitter.com/sI2Y8Ky3YE</a></p>&mdash; Muhammad Shehada (@muhammadshehad2) <a href="">April 23, 2024</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
These included repeatedly striking protected sites and civilian infrastructure; "unconscionably high levels of civilian harm to military advantage"; taking little action to investigate violations or to hold to account those responsible for significant civilian harm and "killing humanitarian workers and journalists at an unprecedented rate."
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Idxomer said:
It still hinges on whether Netanyahu is willing to lose his power and what sustainable calm entails. It sounds like another term that doesn't actually indicate an end to the war unlike what the article says.
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Netanyahu is focused on his power more than anything. That's a big part of this mess. He just can't afford to end the war as it might cost him his govenment.
 
They've been bombing Rafah again, including storage facilities where food aid was being kept.

Israel, good for three things: Lying, stealing, murdering.
 
On 10 April, in the thick of the war on Gaza, the Israeli government, facing a labor crisis, announced that it would fly in 6,000 Indian laborers during April and May on state-subsidized shuttle flights.
This decision follows Israel's suspension of work permits for Palestinian construction workers, a move that has significantly impacted its building sector. Israel’s Finance Ministry estimates that the absence of Palestinian laborers is costing the economy about three billion shekels ($828 million) monthly, which could lead to a loss of three percent of GDP as the building and housing markets struggle with debt amounting to 400 billion shekels ($106 billion).
Simultaneously, New Delhi, overlooking the genocide and humanitarian crisis unfolding in Gaza, has agreed to send Indian construction workers to replace the displaced Palestinian workforce. This decision aligns with a bilateral agreement to integrate 100,000 Indian laborers into Israel’s construction industry, matching the number of ousted Palestinian workers.
A colonial strategy
Canadian immigration attorney Aidan Simardone, speaking to The Cradle, compares the situation to historical colonial practices in North America where marginalized European religious groups, like the Puritans, were brought in to service colonial interests.
Israel, he points out, is adopting a similar strategy by recruiting economically disadvantaged Hindu Indians from regions like Uttar Pradesh, aiming to manage demographic and political challenges seamlessly.
The move is also an attempt by Israel to pull the rug out from under one of the thorns on the side of colonialism. Colonialism requires squeezing blood out of a stone, yet this squeezing depends on the sweat and tears of those who are at the bottom of the barrel.
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Simardone notes the inherent risks for the colonizer in relying entirely on an indigenous labor force, as workers will rebel when colonialism reveals its true nature.
To steer clear of this predicament, colonizers bring in labor from other parts. These laborers are often pushed to the sidelines as well, but unlike the Indigenous population, they go with the flow rather than swimming against the tide when it comes to the colonial project.
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https://thecradle.co/articles/the-g...t-to-replace-palestinian-workers-with-indians
 
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