I suppose the 'tunnels' underneath were left alone?
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Scumbags - one of the dead is a British citizen
Its an interesting operational failure really. Either their initial attacks were unsuccessful in clearing Hamas fighters, considering they've only just finished clearing those areas within the last couple of months, or after 6 months, they haven't really touched the tunnel network and their fighters are still popping up all over the place and still holding the hostages.
6 months of shit for this.
A British, Irish, polish and an Australian
there's a circulating pic. that I won't share.
It's the demolition of Israeli military (state) propaganda over that period which is more interesting to me. The majority of the world accepts that Israel is practicing genocide. You cannot image-wizardry your way out of that consensus once formed in the minds of the world at large. And it's entirely legitimate, the genocide judgement, which counters all possible traces of anti-Israeli/Semitic rhetoric.
This reminds me of how their propagandists keep saying "We can only get the hostages back through military action".
Let's say that by some miracle they free every hostage through a military operation tomorrow without harm, they will still have failed in achieving their declared objective regarding the hostages. They have already killed more than 100 hostages through their bombing since October which I think is more than Hamas and other factions are holding now.
What's the source on Israel having killed 100+ hostages?
So to be clear, Israel itself has not admitted to being responsible for 100+ hostage deaths. They have admitted to other incidents in which they killed hostages.
Yeah, I never said they claimed responsibility for killing all of them. The point is that military action caused 100+ hostage deaths which is in contradiction to everything said by Israeli propagandists indicating that's the way to save them.
Also, it proves it was never close to being a priority for the Netanyahu government or much of the army to free the hostages. IMO, they have been nothing more than a propaganda tool for them.
A Palestinian driver was also killed.
Rogue state needs to be put down.
I am at struggle now with what Israel’s actual goals are at this point.
What are you struggle with?
What were you think israel goals were till now and which goals you suspect they aim to achieve
I’m shocked anyone would struggle to understand what their goals are given there’s over 30,000 dead, majority being women and children and non combatants, with over 100,000 displaced or injured, with the indiscriminate destruction of Gaza and the murders of journalists, aid workers, medical staff, civil servants, and genocidal rhetoric from the Israeli cabinet.
He does have a point. Not in the sense you're thinking. It has been an absolute clusterfeck from Israel and the US if you really think about it. They haven't got rid of Hamas, they've empowered the houthis, has been a PR disaster, increased Irans influence in the region especially with regards to the Gulf states and made it practically impossible for the normalisation of relations between Israel and Saudi.
And then to cap it all off they still have no plan on what to do next. It's like they make it up as they go, one day maybe invade Rafah, one day maybe war with Hezbollah, one day maybe a coalition of Egypt/UAE/Saudi will run Gaza, one day maybe not.
At this stage it just seems like pure evil.
They've long lost any benefit of doubt they had. Even from those who had their heads in the sand until recently. War crime after war crime being committed and ones committing them reveling in it and seeming completely oblivious that the world is watching. Suppose that's what happens when you get away with not having to consider the consequences of your actions for so long. Thanks to the protection you receive from powerful allies.
It's been a PR disaster for Israel which will take a long time to recover from.
It is not.
The goal is and always to collectively punish the Gazan population and ethnically cleanse the strip. All actions undertaken in the last six months indicate and prove Israel's intent. Also send a message to humanitarian organizations to not try to be too clever and preferably feck off from there. They're about to get rid of UNRWA which was a massive thorn in their side and what happened today with the WCK isnt their first hit. Israel has a long history of shooting ambulances and get away with literal murder. It will make more noise for a couple of days, because it's not brown people who got killed.
Israel is right now staring at the abyss with the intention of taking a leap.
People like @AfonsoAlves who struggle to understand, provided they half-followed the last six months, can't either come to grips with the enormity of the crime in our day and age, or are willfully blind.
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They will never recover from this.
They will with no sweat. In 5 years or less back to business. Thinking otherwise it is being naive
I wrote those exact words initially, then considered how short memories can be.
Spain to recognize Palestine State before July (article in spanish)
I assume with coordination with other countries
I assume with coordination with other countries
Nah, they went too far and it's too well documented. That's beyond anything that happened in Palestine since 1948 and more importantly a genocide. Can't cover this up, not that they even tried to.
Some political establishments in the West (UK, Germany, Australia, US and France) might still give them unconditional support, but the younger generations don't have the same connection with Israel as their fathers and forefathers do. And they won't forget what they've seen in the past six months.
The time of Israel being the chosen country is coming to an end.
The seeds are already being sown. Once Israel have finished wiping out Gaza, the US will blame it all Netanyahu and say he went rogue and that will be the narrative everyone goes with.
I agree with this. the "couple of years in we're back to business" might be true short-term,
but the world "belongs" to the people who are now in their early 20s and see what's going on.
it's of no help to the people in Gaza who lose their lives now in ways that are beyond words- and it won't help to citizens of Israel and Lebanon if indeed all hell breaks loose in the coming weeks, as many more will die- but it's something to consider for the long term.
There's no way back from this as far as I'm concerned.
time will tell though.
@That_Bloke seeing as we tried to delve into Bibi's mind before,
yesterday his team mistakenly had a rehearsal to a press conference of his, broadcasted to some news channels.
it shows from the 1:10 mark to the 2:00 mark in the tweet above. Sadly the are no subtitles, but by the way he looks, how he argues with one of his staff members about what's written in the speech and the amount of air-conditioning in the room....
one can definitly see that he looks old, somewhat unhinged.
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WCK says its cars were marked with charity logo
The aid workers were travelling in a "deconflicted zone in two armoured cars branded with the WCK logo" and a normal vehicle, the charity's most recent statement about the attack says.
World Central Kitchen says it had coordinating movements with Israeli forces, but they were attacked after leaving a warehouse in Deir al-Balah.
The charity’s CEO Erin Gore says in the statement she is “heartbroken and appalled” and the charity is pausing operations in Gaza.
I'm sure the IDF will definitely conduct a thorough investigation though.
And the IDF definitely isn't targeting civilians.
The aid workers were travelling in a "deconflicted zone in two armoured cars branded with the WCK logo" and a normal vehicle, the charity's most recent statement about the attack says.
World Central Kitchen says it had coordinating movements with Israeli forces, but they were attacked after leaving a warehouse in Deir al-Balah.
The charity’s CEO Erin Gore says in the statement she is “heartbroken and appalled” and the charity is pausing operations in Gaza.
I'm sure the IDF will definitely conduct a thorough investigation though.
And the IDF definitely isn't targeting civilians. More dead including a American
The huge hole through the roof almost obliterated the charity logo.
Not like them to leave any evidence…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-68710949
Maybe I'm being a bit naïve, but hopefully the Western powerhouses will finally wake the feck up now that their own citizens is getting slaughtered by Israel.
Surprisingly still nowhere near enough coverage. Waiting on the spin