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calodo2003 said:
But it is.
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Who stated that Hamas wasn't a terrorist organization? Outside of people acknowledging that they are more than that who staed that they are not also a terrorist organization?
 
Pintu said:
European justice system hasn’t fallen yet… But imagine having to sue your way into being allowed to write “Stop Genocide”

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Germany's stance, coverage and actions have been horrendous throughout this war. An absolute disgrace for a democratic country.
 
Idxomer said:
It's their way of saying "Look we admit our mistakes and everything else has been on the level".
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Unfortunately that admission means that the other situations where they levelled entire neighborhoods were on purpose; which was a daily thing in October.
 
Frosty said:
From the BBC:

An Israeli military official has said that the use of the wrong munition led to "extensive collateral damage" in strikes targeting the Maghazi refugee camp on 24 December.

According to the Hamas-run health ministry, at least 86 people were killed by Israeli air strikes on the camp on Sunday, according to the UN, and that number could still rise.

Speaking to public broadcaster Kan news, an Israeli military official said: "The type of munition did not match the nature of the attack, causing extensive collateral damage that could have been avoided."

They said the incident was being investigated further.

Asked about the report, the IDF told the BBC that it "regrets the harm to uninvolved individuals, and is working to draw lessons from the incident".

The military said its jets had struck two targets adjacent to an area where Hamas operatives were located but that additional buildings were also hit during the strikes.
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Curious "mistake"
 
I just watched the Images of the Nusairat refugee camp attacks today. If you dont have the heart to watch it, dont. But it is available on twitter if you want and its heartbreaking.
 
Giggsyking said:
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Whenever I stumble upon the hasbara brigade on reddit or wherever, with their "Israel is only responding to aggression" and "everything that's happening in Gaza is Hamas' fault", I've started pointing to the West Bank and asking "well what about that?" and they usually stop replying.
 
On genocide and intent. Interview with Raz Segal, associate professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and endowed professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University.


 
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That_Bloke said:
Here's another interview with Peter Beinart, editor of Jewish Currents and professor at the CUNY University of Journalism.

He explains why Palestinians turned to radical orgainzations, and has a thought provoking view about the striking similarities in the founding myths of the US and Israel and why it created so much affinities between the two countries, aside from the obvious religious and strategic links. He also describes what happened in Harvard and Columbia as a reactionary attitude of the establishment, and the institutionalized (and racist) anti-Palestinian stance firmly anchored in the American political apparatus.

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This was very interesting, thank you for posting it.
 


Baffled Israel thought it is good propaganda/PR for them (showing how detached from reality they are).
Even if I imagine the 7 Oct terrorist attack happens to my country, I would never support wiping out the entire nation of the country launching the terrorist attack.
 
JeffFromHK said:


Baffled Israel thought it is good propaganda/PR for them (showing how detached from reality they are).
Even if I imagine the 7 Oct terrorist attack happens to my country, I would never support wiping out the entire nation of the country launching the terrorist attack.
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Wtf is this? Also, wasn't the revised number for October 7th reduced to 695?
 
That_Bloke said:
On genocide and intent. Interview with Raz Segal, associate professor of Holocaust and Genocide Studies and endowed professor in the Study of Modern Genocide at Stockton University.


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Are some still arguing over whether or not this legally qualifies as Genocide?
 
I know it's not at all new for Putin to attack civilians and hospitals, but with the brazenness that he's doing it in Ukraine this morning it signals to me that the world is entering a new era of state violence that entirely disregards human rights and rules of war, directly as a consequence of the US' carte blanche for Israel, in both its rhetoric and its arms support.

Regardless of all the US' past foreign policy hypocrisies when its supposed championing of human rights clashed with its interests, it still had a semblance of moral authority that gave it legitimacy to serve as the world's police, there was at least a perception that it recognised some sort of threshold to human suffering that--when met--would see it change its approach to achieving whatever interests it had. But this has been so plainly shattered with the manner of its support for Israel during the past three months that I truly think the world is going to be a significantly more dangerous place for the rest of our lives as a result, and to the detriment of long term US power and interest.

The US rallied to try get universal diplomatic support for opposing Putin's invasion of Ukraine and it broadly succeeded in doing so despite some indifference from non-Western states. But the next time a US adversary attacks a US ally, unless a third state has tangible and material interests threatened through another state being attacked, there will be less of an incentive to lend the US the support it needs to combat or undermine such acts. And it's not just governments, the total contrast in the western approach and statements regarding Gaza and Ukraine have put on display for populations in the west and beyond that the universal value of the principles these governments claim to defend depends on who's violating them.

Even if protection of human life and rights was to some extent a charade (for all states), the charade still inhibited the manner in which they could conduct their wars and power, but I fear this has been irreversibly shattered, and the world will be made a permanently more dangerous place for it.
 
JeffFromHK said:


Baffled Israel thought it is good propaganda/PR for them (showing how detached from reality they are).
Even if I imagine the 7 Oct terrorist attack happens to my country, I would never support wiping out the entire nation of the country launching the terrorist attack.
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Given the resources at their disposal, I wonder why/how their propaganda game is so bad/weak/ineffective.
 
iKnowNothing said:
Given the resources at their disposal, I wonder why/how their propaganda game is so bad/weak/ineffective.
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Most nations in the West at least but also in the World support them in practice, so how is it ineffective? The hamas propaganda seems to be powerful in the online space as a narrative that does not manifest in practice.
 
jackal&hyde said:
Most nations in the West at least but also in the World support them in practice, so how is it ineffective? The hamas propaganda seems to be powerful in the online space as a narrative that does not manifest in practice.
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Please, elaborate.
 
That_Bloke said:
Please, elaborate.
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There are popular streamers on platforms, social media, etc, that can make the impression that something is more supported then it really is. The same thing was happenings with the pro Putin propaganda online.
 


Horrible stuff if true but no actual evidence was presented and the main witness doesn't seem credible at all.
 
Idxomer said:


Horrible stuff if true but no actual evidence was presented and the main witness doesn't seem credible at all.
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While Hellfire missiles from Israeli Apache helicopters and shells from Israeli tanks may have badly dismembered many of the Israelis and Palestinians they killed on October 7, no record exists of women being decapitated with knives.
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As far as I know, this Apache Hellfire claim has not been corroborated to the extent that Blumenthal claims.
 
jackal&hyde said:
Most nations in the West at least but also in the World support them in practice, so how is it ineffective? The hamas propaganda seems to be powerful in the online space as a narrative that does not manifest in practice.
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I mean you can look at the last security council vote, every nation voted for the Russian proposal, except the US that voted against. Despite the huge backup from the UK, even they could not vote against. In the UN general assembly the vote was 153 countries voted to stop the fecking war against only 10 countries with only Israel, the US and Austria you recognize the names, the rest are some shitty island in the middle of nowhere.
 
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