Mostly the US pays the bigger part but they all are under their control. The Russians would not say much against Israel either. The Chinese never bothered and France, UK and US are responsible for this chaos. If they can create Kosovo out of nothing, they certainly can create a Palestinian State in the occupied territories. The moment they do this Hamas becomes irrelevant.
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Mostly the US pays the bigger part but they all are under their control. The Russians would not say much against Israel either. The Chinese never bothered and France, UK and US are responsible for this chaos. If they can create Kosovo out of nothing, they certainly can create a Palestinian State in the occupied territories. The moment they do this Hamas becomes irrelevant.
You serious? Are you pretending like they aren't literally doing ethnic cleansing right now? Straight up kicking Palestinians out of their homes? Infiltrating a mosque? Years and years of oppression? Educate yourself.
Is this the current neighbours or the neighbours of the previous two homes they were forcibly removed from?
Being attacked in a place of worship on the holiest night of the year?
No-one has been able to tell me why the Israeli police attacked the al aqsa compound on the 27the night of Ramadan while people were praying. That's akin to the church of the nativity being attacked during midnight mass on xmas eve.
Why did the Israeli police do that?
Just a question, how old are you?
I feel as if @vidic blood & sand is purposely misguiding and deflecting from answering any questions. He wants to engage in a debate without being intellectually honest. I think it'd be better if he's either ignored by all or removed from this thread if possible.
If Palestinians and Hamas respected Israel as a state, it would be a first step to heal the conflict. In 2002 it looked like Israel were prepared to let go of territory, but if neighbors see you as a sworn enemy, what do you do?
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It's an old one alright. Recently the Iranians done it to an American air base, can't remember where
Tends to happen with the right wing people. Ignore any questions that don't suit their agendas.
Quite happy to leave if that's the consensus.
What does it mean?
e - hadn’t had a chance to google it...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roof_knocking
They were protesting about the eviction of the Arab families from their homes. There were protests inside Al Aqsa about this but the escalation began when the Israeli Police conducted a flash raid on the mosques with rubber bullets and stun grenades. That lit up this whole chaos. Hamas warned Israel to leave the Al Aqsa alone but obviously they refused and then Hamas fired those rockets.
He would need to respond to people for it to be called a debate.
I can't believe that there are people here still supporting the Israeli actions of ethnic cleansing? I do not see anyone here supporting Hamas.
The Palestinians are supporting Hamas. They are the elected governing body in Gaza.
You're saying that you don't support Israel, and you don't support the Palestinian response?
@vidic blood & sand would you like to respond to this question from me? How should the Palestinians protect themselves against evictions from their own homes? In your opinion, how should they behave?
I'm not a fan of removing posters honestly. Let's see what he has to respond to other questions.
I'm not either, but you can only debate with people who are intellectually honest. There have been other posters in this thread on the 'opposing' side who are at least interested in explaining their rationale and having a fair honest debate.
This guy is just WUMming in my opinion.
Two takes:
First response. Accept Israel as a state.
My feeling is that Israel would have relinquished territories ceased in 1967 if all Arab countries accepted Israel as a state.
They looked to be close to agreeing to this in 2002.
Maybe just something approaching equal, a fair fight at the very least. This is just ethnic cleansing.
I would recommend this book written 15 years ago.
He faced a lot of backlash for it because there was a sentiment that because of his status he should have stayed neutral. And others felt betrayed. He has credibility on Middle East peace though.
He faced a lot of backlash for it because there was a sentiment that because of his status he should have stayed neutral. And others felt betrayed. He has credibility on Middle East peace though.
Surreal...
In 2006.
It's been 15 years and Hamas haven't allowed anymore elections to take place. To say the average Palestinian supports Hamas based on an election that long ago is pretty dishonest, especially when Israel keeps electing far right parties and it was an Israeli extremist who assassinated Rabin to derail the Oslo accords.
Before you ask - I abhor and condemn the targetting of civilians whether through indiscriminate attack or just plain callousness.
If they did have any intention of relinquishing land they wouldn't have built the wall that took even more land and water sources, they wouldn't be evicting families based on 70+ year old legal agreements while simultaneously refusing to return land seized when the occupants fled 70+ years ago. if they want peace they're going about it in a strange way that looks much more like colonisation than any attempts at security.
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You're saying that they're subjected to a dictatorship that is annoying Israel, and are subsequently suffering the consequences of it?
So just to be clear: you're implying that being evicted from their homes today is their own fault basically? If they accept Israel as a state, will the evictions stop?
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Seriously, that's what you reply to? Odious.
man watching the BBC coverage and then CNN, then seeing the actual tweets from people on the ground especially in Gaza.. this world is so fecking broken - hope Western governments and media feel some shame one day when Palestine is liberated (though they will just pretend they supported them all along)
Why do you always shift blame on to anyone other than Israel and ignore replies or part of replies that counter your rather facile posts?
Hell I blame Israel for Hamas more than the Palestinian people seeing as Israel helped create Hamas to counter the more secular PLO ( https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http:/online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html https://theintercept.com/2018/02/19/hamas-israel-palestine-conflict/)
I should put my cards on the table here - I have a 1st class degree in International Relations where I mainly focused on the Middle East. Additionally I grew up hearing stories about Palestine from my grandfather who served there until 1948 and as i grew older I was told about the empty villages found on patrol that had previously been inhabited, the detritus of hurried evacuation in the face of 'cleansing' by groups such as the Irgun and Stern gang which I will admit have coloured my view of the situation.
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Some absolutely shocking scenes. Any police officer who facilitates or allows a lynching or violence against any human is a complete disgrace, and should not only be fired but also prosecuted to the full extent. Anybody trying to lynch a fellow human should be thrown into jail. This should not be controversial, and if the police are allowing that, it's a huge disgrace and embarrassment. They are there to protect the vulnerable, not persecute them. Scum.
Every decent Israeli should stand up and protect their neighbours, regardless of colour and creed. This cannot be allowed to happen.
@IhabX7 Stay safe.
This is notwithsanding and regardless of any rockets/Hamas/IDF action. This is basic civilisation.
Every decent Israeli should stand up and protect their neighbours, regardless of colour and creed. This cannot be allowed to happen.
@IhabX7 Stay safe.
This is notwithsanding and regardless of any rockets/Hamas/IDF action. This is basic civilisation.
You claim to be neutral but you quite clearly are not and just come across as a bit dense. Every single one of your posts is just pure whataboutism.
feck Israel, and anyone who supports their actions.
Quite the barrage happening right now...
I think it would make it very difficult for the Israeli government not to relinquish all territories ceased in 1967 if Israel was categorically and wholeheartedly accepted as a state by all Arab nations.
This is only my personal opinion. The problem I also suspect is, that it is the existence of Israel that angers the Arab states. They believe that Islam will triumph over Israel eventually. To accept Israel as a state would be blasphemous.