Couldn't disagree more. I don't see any of those posts as support for hamas.
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Couldn't disagree more. I don't see any of those posts as support for hamas.
Well, I do and it seems there's little more to say.
Is it funny when you think that your own normal is crazy for most of the world.
Yes but I wasn't talking about him/to him.
The solution is for Israel to suffer consequences for their transgressions.
When Palestine steps there is hell to pay for it but when Israel does it's "self defense"?
Israeli airstrikes have killed 9 children.
What about the Canaanites who were there for about 3000-4000 years? They've held the land for the longest period in recorded history. Most of the offshoots of the Canaanite diaspora are living in modern day Lebanon - should they have a home there?
You have to think about what sells in my country media wise.
If this sentence wasn't so batshit stupid, I'd think it was satire.
Sensationalism tends to sell. Rocket attacks will get views & clicks.
I’m not condoning how this is portrayed in our media, I’m discussing how it plays to our populace.
So support for the intolerable situation the Palestinians find them put in due to the Israeli actions is a support for Hamas?
Israel are the occupying force, they have to be held accountable for their actions. Attacking a place of worship while the people inside were doing nothing but praying is what caused these latest protests.
Does the number need to be equal to make them both condemned??
The way I see it, both launching rockets without care of the targets; one side defend better, the other is not.
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Why are you even asking this ? It comes across as some bizarre performative shtick. No one in this thread thinks rocket barrages at civilians is a good thing.
I was trying to reply to someone saying they believe Palestinians have the right to protest, like the recent events are somehow similar to a anti glazer protest, Palestinians have the right to take up armed struggle and my post wasn't in anyway connected to the rocket attacks(Didn't even know it had happened until later on). I deleted the post because I forgot to quote the user and it was looking like a lost cause anyway. Plus I fecked off because I had just found a giant bag of Haribo
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There is nothing equal in Israel.
3 Israelis murdered by rockets, 28 murdered in retaliation. 9 of them children.
We're talking about people who's movement is controlled, blockaded, mostly unarmed. Open air prison if you like in some parts. They are being occupied by an army that shoot dead kids throwing rocks in what are called "clashes". You don't have to be a Hamas supporter to understand that firing rockets is a desperate means of retaliation. They absolutely have the right for an armed resistance but how and with what.
Imagine the irony of Isreal doing to Palestinians what thr Nazis did to Jews in the 1930s, turfing them out of their homes, raiding their places of worship. I seen the EU has condemned the rocket attacks from the West Bank but ignored Isreals actions. Why aren't they condemning Isreal?
It starts with removing those specific illegal settlements Israel have made which break international law according the UN.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/c...-3-israeli-settlements-and-international-law/
Then dialogue.
This.
Or you’re just a blinded bigot and don’t see it. See it equally my ass.
Anyone with zero bias would see this situation for what it is. Fair enough if you’re overall opinion on the conflict may be sided towards Israel but this current conflict is very easy to assess for a true neutral. Hamas absolutely have the right to try to defend their people when everyone else just seems to sit there and watch it all play out.
Everyone who disagrees with me must be biased, but I’m definitely impartial and therefore definitely right. Cool.
I am neither Jewish nor Muslim and disagree with you. I have Jewish friends who disagree with you. What now?
This gatekeeping is only for people who don’t have confidence to argue their own opinions on the merits
the "both side" argument was never accepted when talking about the white supremacist, and should never be accepted when talking about Israel occupation of Palestine.
Bolded is important. I take the Israeli position generally but you have to be some kind of an anti-Arab racist if you still try to defend them on this one. I don't think it's contradictory and there should be plenty of people like me out there.
One side is the clear aggressor and initiated an attack on unarmed civilians in a mosque.
How someone can look at it as one side just being 'bad at defense' I can't believe.
True colors of so called moderate thinkers really come to the forefront with such conflicts.
BTW Joe Biden has just made clear we stand with the Israeli cause and ask for de-escalation. So the mother's of the children who died are spared y'all!
it's like that in every fight between a lightweight and a heavyweight. The weaker side always pays with blood.
it's getting kinda hard to not equal the treatment to the Palestinian with the Jews during the war when the Israeli govt come up with this shite
Is the justification for Israel that "we were removed from our countries so we'll make our own and remove those already here, but it's less than the amount of Jews removed 70 years ago so it doesn't matter."
I know so little about this all unfortunately but the more and more I see the more I struggle to understand how major governments are defending the Israeli regime.
People seem to like to throw out 'but Hamas' because they are known terrorists without actually considering why they are taking the actions they are. Without that defence the palestinians would be long gone.
I know so little about this all unfortunately but the more and more I see the more I struggle to understand how major governments are defending the Israeli regime.
People seem to like to throw out 'but Hamas' because they are known terrorists without actually considering why they are taking the actions they are. Without that defence the palestinians would be long gone.
The rockets are coming from Gaza, not the West Bank.
The Canaanites say hi.
Not sure how you read that post and got that outcome but no, that isn't what I'm saying at all.
Justifiable or neglectable, not good. That has been repeatedly said, another one two posts below yours now.
It goes on since Monday, and the thread was full of it... hard to believe you've not heard about it (or Israeli airstrikes for that matter) by that time anywhere.
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I don't think this has much to do with what I wrote. My take on the overall situation is in the second half of post #1915.
I had the news on in the background last night, and there was nothing on this till 10.20 (20 minutes of other stuff beforehand). Even then it was a 3 minute segment and very much framed as, these are the the Hamas rockets being fired into Israel, then worked backwards to what happened before that.
I wouldn't say that Hamas are regarded as defenders of the Palestinians. It's an elected governing body in Gaza that dismisses the legitimacy of Israeli government. Palestinians wouldn't be long gone without Hamas.
It's a very complicated situation with political and religious connotations and deep rooted resentments.
What's your position on what's happened over the last few days?
No.
Slightly more nuanced than that? Because that interview seemed to say as much.
Again I'm not in the know but your final sentence sounds like a really easy(lazy) way to justify the actions of the Israelis in removing a people from their land.
The Palestinians have less fire power and ability to defend themselves than ever without Hamas though don't they?