This sounds like excuses to me. You can also find reasons for Hitler and the Nazis in 1933, as you can find reasons for Hamas. But there is nothing positive in the Nazis and there is nothing positive in Hamas.
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This sounds like excuses to me. You can also find reasons for Hitler and the Nazis in 1933, as you can find reasons for Hamas. But there is nothing positive in the Nazis and there is nothing positive in Hamas.
It's been happening for years on end. Read through the thread. There are that many incidents, the last attack on Gaza as one example, that you'd stuggle to chronicle them on wikipedia.
Notice that for the BBC, Palestinians 'die' while Israelis are 'killed'.
Also noticed that they've reported on the defence ministers comments on the siege of Gaza but have conveniently excluded his words calling them animals.
Also noticed that they've reported on the defence ministers comments on the siege of Gaza but have conveniently excluded his words calling them animals.
Have you read scholeseythewise comments on this thread?
Can you also appreciate the difference between excuses/ justification and an understanding of the context in which something happens?
Having an understanding that the treaty of versailles would lead to a resurgent, angry and bitter Germany is not a defence of the Nazis or their actions. But it is a valid historical (and contemporary) analysis and one that played out. The two are not the same.
I'll let someone else perhaps answer that but equating Hamas (Palestinian resistance) with a Holocaust regime is absurd.
For example, anyone who says Israel has a right to go in to Gaza or respond. That sounds like excuses to me. You can also find reasons (and so on). It was predicted. It would explode, you couldn't justify it, and Israel would retaliate, and that you cannot justify either. It's not an excuse. It's a sad indictment on the complete lack of movement regarding tangible solutions and no one ever holding Israel to account once the cameras leave.
Considering the circumstances is that surprising? If you were going to split between killed and died it’s clear which side it applies to.
Abu Khdeir - 16 year old Palestinian murdered by Israeli savages:
Israeli settlers killing a baby:
Here's the aftermath of that incident - from Israeli savages:
Routine torture of Palestinians:
Doing so with impunity:
Here's a report of how 40% of Palestinian children detained are sexually abused with virtually all tortured when in detainment:
40% of Palestinian Children Detained by Israel Sexually Abused; Virtually All Tortured (bennorton.com)
So please spare me the idiotic nonsense of how Israel are somehow holier than thou. Spare us your ignorance on the matter and read up on it at the very least.
What circumstances? Have the Gazan civilians just ceased to exist then? Do they not also get killed?
It's quite clear that you've made your opinion of which side you fall on, despite admitting you don't follow it that closely.
Thanks, you rarely get anybody replying with sources.
This is on BBC's live feed right now:
- About 900 people have been killed in Israel since Saturday's surprise attack, including 260 people massacred by Hamas gunmen at a music festival
- Since Israel began striking Gaza in response, nearly 600 people have died
I'm not sure if that's the BBC news international home page but this is what's coming up on the UK:
Apologies I can't post a screenshot right now.
Here. Post one from this very thread. Israel and US break international law and dozens of Gazans murdered by Israeli snipers. Asking for sources of Israeli wrong-doing in this conflict is like asking someone to chronicle World War Two for you. It's everywhere. Of course Hamas/etc., wrongdoing also. No one disputes it. It's the assymetry in power relation which people tend to forget or just don't understand.
No, they don’t cease to exist. Me admitting I don’t follow it that closely is trying to give everyone a caveat. My opinion may very well be incorrect.
I'll repeat it: There is nothing positive in the ideology of the Nazis and there is nothing positive in the ideology of the Hamas.
You can find historical reasons why the Nazis were created and you can find historical reasons why Hamas was created. And I can see the "academic value" of discussing the reasons these were created. However, the fact remains that either of them have zero positive values and bring nothing positive to any humans, their followers included.
I have no idea how to respond to that. Use the same logic and apply it to the Israeli occupation and whilst it works, technically, it's still bad logic and terrible comparison.
There is nothing positive about that ideology of Zionism.
Why should Palestinians Arab pay the price for what Nazi Germany did to Jews? Answer me that.
The history of it is inextricably linked to the State of Israel now. So I don't agree with the presupposition. I'd also love to hear how you done 2+2 and come up with 5 saying that 'it doesn't sound like it'.
I think you're missing that Hamas might just be hoping to provoke a response from Israel so massive that it acts as a recruiting sergeant for them, leaving them with more fighters and more support from around the world than they had before. They may well be wrong of course, but as time goes on people will remember the provocation less and the response more,
I wouldn't like to call it.
Agree - it's a fascist racist ideology.
To explain is not to excuse or justify. The following propositions can both be true at the same time:
i) The attack by Hamas is absolutely inhumane and barbarous
ii) The attack by Hamas can be understood as a consequence and a reaction to both the recent and long-term deterioration of the Palestinans' conditions in Gaza
Any explanation cannot not end with a given actor or agent, be it the Palestinians or the Israelis. One needs to take into account centuries of history in order to understand how the current situation has unfolded.
Recruiting won't matter if they don't exist anymore, which is the likeliest of results going forward. They may have hoped to use the Al-Qaeda style attack into Israel to help their cause, but it wouldn't count for much if Hamas ceases to exist and Gaza is reoccupied by Israel.
this is horribleWhen he's saying 'calm down' its hard to think of anything that would calm them other than a bullet in the back of his head.
I think the response suits them. Either Israel uses fires and we see a level of destruction and death that would chill Putin, or they will see their forces massacred whilst mass killing civilians. A large scale ground incursion deep in Gaza is the nightmare scenario for any company commander.
What should have happened to the Jewish settlers who lived in mandatory Palestine?
So why do they 'die' when Israelis are 'killed' or massacred?
Because when Israelis kill, there's always a good reason right and something to do with preceding events? And when Palestinians kill, it's because they're subhuman middle aged savages?
You'd have to eliminate the entire population of Gaza to oust Hamas. And if Hamas goes, another just pops up to take over what becomes a vacuum until some resolution is finally made. There is a mandate in Palestinian occupied territories for armed response to the occupation. It's terrible to watch, but that's the truth of the matter. It will exist even if Hamas disappears. Maybe it goes to IJ or a new group.
That's probably because its framed through western media whose audiences are primarily interested in western themed narratives. The same applies to middle eastern media where audiences are interested in topics that speak to the interests of people in the middle east. Not always, but most of the time.
If they thought that international hostages would put pressure on Israel from those countries to moderate their retaliation, I think they completely miscalculated. All this achieves is a stronger Israeli support.
Israel should never have been created there in 48. It has been trouble ever since. What Hamas did was disgusting, disturbing and borderline terrorism. Then again, they are living in conditions you cant imagine created by the Israelian government. They have been blocked off, given little to no water at times and very limited resources. The whole thing is a clusterfeck and it has been a clusterfeck since 1948
That's why they would have to reoccupy the land to avoid any residual Hamas or new movements emerging to replace them.
They can't do it forever. If they reoccupy, they will leave at some stage.
And where would have been a better choice?
Europe? Where the majority of Jews were living anyway.
Germany? Surely the Germans were the ones who had to provide them with land after the Holocaust. Although it is pointless going that far back. There is going to be an Israel proper regardless, it's just about finding some settlement between that.
Somewhere were the cultures match atleast a bit. Most of the population that moved to Israel in 48 were Europeans. They should have gotten land in Europe.