Thanks habibi. Times have been rough in the past few years. And it feels a bit surreal browsing through the caf.
Hope you're doing well too.
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Thanks habibi. Times have been rough in the past few years. And it feels a bit surreal browsing through the caf.
Hope you're doing well too.
Is the crossing usually open for business/ movement of goods, or only civilian movement?!
Egypt normalised relations with Israel long before those countries and indeed long before any other Arab country did.
Technically Egyptians and Israelis can cross the border, though the reality is of course often more difficult than that.
Public opinion in Egypt is almost universally negative towards Israel but at the government level, they've been relatively chummy for decades.
Alright, I didn't see this one earlier.
I understand where you're coming from. The problem you have is a mix of poor comprehension and not really understanding logic given the series of false equivalences you make.
Hamas does not equal the legitimate struggle of Palestine.
Lashing out in self-defense/revolution does not justify terrorism. If you want to fight back, why attack civilians which include women and children? What have they done to deserve that? What stops hamas from attacking military targets alone? (Edit) And why must rockets be fired from densely populated civilian areas?
If that is justifiable to you, then you have a lopsided moral compass, and no right to pontificate on the issue.
Usually civilians with foreign passports in Gaza are allowed to move, and those with critical illnesses (cancer patients etc) that require medical help.
Edit: There's a separate crossing for business / movement of goods.
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Hi, sorry it's been a day since I asked and I was wondering if you managed to watsapp, tweet, text any of your higher up mates as to the 'exact' archaeological reason they are digging? And do they have permission from the Muslims? (That's a rhetorical question, don't try to get an answer to that)
I really want to know what it is Israel thinks it has found or is looking for. Dinosaur bones? Old cutlery? What is it?
I will ask again tomorrow if you're still finding out.
No, they are just a bunch of hippies who explode in busses killing innocent civilians, and murdering Jewish women and children. Of course they are not terrorists, they only execute Jewish children and women in their sleep and target their missiles into urban civilian population. Oh and their condition to lay their arms is a total annihilation and death of the state of Israel and the Jews within it. Not terrorist, just a bunch of freedom fighters, right?
Your information is out of date. Look at the links I posted. Hamas have clearly stated they accept the two state solution, they have stated they won't be targeting jews. The UN designation does matter. The USA, Western European government and the Anglosphere are unduly influenced by Zionist allies - maybe it finds it roots in the guilt of what Europe did to Jews for centuries, idk. The rest of the world doesn't carry that shame or guilt, hence is unbiased.
The peace treaty was signed much earlier, agreed, but what you're now seeing in UAE (in particular) is actively promoting & normalising relations with Israel in terms of tourism, investment, JVs, and business endeavours. I think this is what Sisi wants eventually.
Although, granted, this is much easier to achieve in a place like Dubai / UAE than it would be Egypt.
Yes, I think this is probably one of the best sentences here.
What a complete horrocks of a post.
I'm satisfied that my comprehension, logic and moral compass will see me on the right side of this issue when history looks back at what was right and what was wrong.
One tip before I go - when you're trying to appear clever on the internet, a touch less use of the thesaurus goes a long way.
I'm not sure you understand the concept of sympathy mate.
"Gideon Levy, a columnist for the Israeli newspaper Haaretz, told Newsday that many Israelis supported the heavy bombardment, which followed Palestinian rocket attacks on southern Israel, because they were not fully aware of the levels of death and destruction in Gaza.
“None of the Israelis saw the real pictures from Gaza because the media here prevent them from seeing it. Therefore there is such a consensus about this war and everyone supports it.”
BBC
“None of the Israelis saw the real pictures from Gaza because the media here prevent them from seeing it. Therefore there is such a consensus about this war and everyone supports it.”
BBC
You completely failed to read your own article. Read it again. The new hamas charter does not accept a 2 state solution. If the KKK changed their pr a strategy a bit and minded their language a bit anyone not born before yesterday would still know they are a racist organisation. In a simular vein Hamas is still a vile anti-semitic terrorist group.
Someone will no doubt be here in a second to tell us his actions were justified, because they didn't have the necessary permits to be holding a demonstration.
Absolutely.
Why doesn't Israel allow a Palestinian State and invest some money into the region so it can become self sufficient? I appreciate they are fearful of it becoming a hotbed for terrorism but surely something needs to change. Investment in the region would help heal some of the wounds I would imagine.
I don't know lots about it but this stalemate needs someone somewhere to take a risk that doesn't involve violence?
I don't know lots about it but this stalemate needs someone somewhere to take a risk that doesn't involve violence?
Well done Last Week Tonight...
I can't begin to imagine the ridiculous backlash he's got for this
Backlash from whom? His audience loves this stuff.
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What are your thoughts on the Zionist agenda?
YouTube videos of Hamas being prepared as we speak.I can imagine at least one person preparing an army for the backlash.
As defined by whom? Otherwise atm i have none.
Ok, the reason I ask is because if you believe that Hamas is a racist organisation, then by equal measure you would believe that the pro-Zionist agenda is also racist. Therein, any organisations that are affiliated with pro-Zionism are also racist.
For example, the current ruling political party Likud, took its roots from Herut (a previous incarnation of the party), which itself was formed from the remnants of Irgun, a paramilitary racist pro-Zionist militia...who themselves were an offshoot of a larger racist paramilitary called Haganah who were...well you can guess.
Herut itself (the predecessor to Likud) have been described as a fascist, terrorist organisation in most circles. Bear in mind all of these groups I mention are explicitly Zionist.
As opposed to Israel's creation which literally wiped Palestine off the map...?
I wouldnt disagree with what you've said.
If you had training in international law, wouldn't you have known that as the occupier, Israel has the duty to comply? Especially since Hamas isn't the recognised government of Palestine?
I've no love for Hamas and I'm Muslim. My stance against Hamas goes back to the Muslim Brotherhood days, but that's another story.
What I do believe, albeit my stance, is that Hamas is more considered than people who defend Israel, no matter what, believe. I don't just mean because they aren't stooges like Abbas and Fatah and the fact they provide healthcare and services to the poorest in the territories.
Hamas were opposed to the Oslo accords, for example, they still did take a wait and see approach because the general feeling amongst Palestinians was that this maybe a sign of a much wanted peace and I do believe Hamas, to a degree, follow the people's desires. I also believe the acceptance of the 1967 borders is in line with the wishes of the people.
Now some may disagree and that's fine but why not start the talks and include them and see what happens? How can we be so absolute in what they may or may not do with regards to a 2 state solution?
Completely normal behaviour.
Oh you mean like the previous thousand years when Jews were a minority and living as one of the best respected minorities in the world?
Either way there would be no Hamas if there wasn't blatant child murdering going on.
Can we stop talking about fecking Hamas? They're an extremist organisation born out of despair. The more bombs that fall on innocents, hospitals and homes, the more members of Hamas there will be. I'm also not convinced they're attacking anything or anyone specifically, they're making home made rockets and firing them into Israel, they don't have B52s or or F16s and can't demolish buildings with sugical accuracy.
I feel like we could genuinely be on the road to death camps and mass extermination, i realise that might sound a little hysterical but I don't ever remember feeling this angry, sad and hopeless as I have over the last few days.
I feel like we could genuinely be on the road to death camps and mass extermination, i realise that might sound a little hysterical but I don't ever remember feeling this angry, sad and hopeless as I have over the last few days.
israel have killed more Palestinians in the last 48 hours than hamas have in the last 10 years
One of the best respected minorities in the world? What does that even mean?
Criticizing Hamas does not mean excusing or absolving Israel. The duty to comply goes both ways and in fact, the ICC is looking into war crimes on both sides (for previous incidents). There are rules of war that all parties to a conflict must obey.
When Jews were minorities in these same muslim lands they existed happily, compared to the norms of that time if you consider other minorities throughout the world. For thousands of years they existed so for @Shamana to suggest they'd be wiped out and not a single jew was left is inaccurate but not surprising given his usual complete lack of scholarly knowledge.
Where do you think the Jews of the Middle East were living, and among whom, during the previous millennia? When the Jews of Europe were fleeing pogroms in Central and Eastern Europe during and after that period of Enlightenment that every European liberal seems to have an intellectual wank over, where did they go to?
Hamas wouldn't be in certain conversations in the current case if they weren't a convenient excuse for Israel to commit their crimes against the Palestinians.
Also the problem is not talking with Hamas. As I said bring them around the table and put it on them.
This is just ignorant bullshit to be honest. Can you point to any time in history where Jews have been eradicated en masse at the hands of Muslims simply for being Jews?
Are you recognizing both sites as sovereign states? Because I don't see that being practiced. In either case, Hamas is labelled a terrorist org. Israel is not accountable for anything. Israel has killed more women and children in a day than Hamas have in what 20 years.